Council to map drive fiat natural power

[rdponline]

hi to all, repairing the ecu iaw 59f 5af and 4af gas me and happened to have the requests of the type : "I can modify a bit the ecu to make it go better?"
now we all know that these cars suffer from a bit of performance due to methane, but how should I do? which criteria to use non-methane???

available for read and write, I have the cdc marelli tour and kess v2 obd - titanium and winols to map.

what advice do you give me???

[munro]

I've had requests like that...
I would like to know s? ? a thing possible...

[rdponline]

it certainly is doable, maybe with some advice we can do that for sure...
Just anticipate???? seen that the values for methane are in another unit, it is not possible to anticipate, right???

what is urgently called for comparisons and tips

[munro]

for what it is I have I can say that the values of advance cng cos? as those of the injection times are caught and corrected by the ecu to methane and gasoline...not s I if ? clear...
now the question? ? how will you act?? and especially on what ecu is needed of the two?

[sergiot]

you should always act on the main control panel to gasoline.
as in any other plant pluricarburante, the interventions made on the main affect on the gas ecu without any problems.

[cinqueturbo]

you should always act on the main control panel to gasoline.
as in any other plant pluricarburante, the interventions made on the main affect on the gas ecu without any problems.

I agree with t?.. but s? one is the perfection of the performance on Cng or LPG, after the gasoline, what happens?
will start? to knock (autoignition)?..

[sergiot]

I agree with t?.. but s? one is the perfection of the performance on Cng or LPG, after the gasoline, what happens?
will start? to knock (autoignition)?..

something you have to choose: if you are optimized to gasoline are a little less gas, and vice versa.
fortunately, c'? always in control of the beat, which forgives......

[carmageddon]

I agree with t?.. but s? one is the perfection of the performance on Cng or LPG, after the gasoline, what happens?
will start? to knock (autoignition)?..

the performance, so the performance of the engine, with the petrol ? always higher when you go to lpg or natural gas...always!!!
if it's so? were not means of gasoline c ? something that should not be and ? to place it before making an adjustment to the gas.
with the modern cars, the performance of the pi? the top is to change the advance in all of its variables and the maximum adjustment should be made to gasoline (without the intervention of the knock sensor why? it would result in cuts and jerking) and never gas.
of course there will be? a small correction of the carburation on the petrol ecu to determine how to go into the partial and full load.
on the gas ecu, if ? well-adjusted after the remapping of the ecu gasoline, c ? need only small fixes.

[rdponline]

well carmaghedon I've been of help, logically adjusting well to the petrol you have the benefits of gas... but mapping gasoline and methane, the methane after to be adjusted for better... ok so I need to reinforce a beautiful panda methane and see how far I can push petrol with the advance without detonating... and then I go to adjust the gas on his ecu... right??? I have drawn the right conclusions???

[carmageddon]

yes, but the eye that the tests without the knowledge does not bring benefits, especially when it comes to remapping

[rdponline]

What knowledge are you talking about??? What, according to you, you need to know well before making such transactions????
I'm here for useful advice and to learn things that I don't know...

[carmageddon]

the knowledge management engine, the control strategy and the change of the parameters with the information in the clear...senn? we do not know what and how to change there? you see a file...and not ? the issue of drivers for the various programs, but to real studio with official information when it comes to maps, axes, relationships, conversion factors, switches, controls, and much more.

[rdponline]

the knowledge management engine, the control strategy and the change of the parameters with the information in the clear...senn? we do not know what and how to change there? you see a file...and not ? the issue of drivers for the various programs, but to real studio with official information when it comes to maps, axes, relationships, conversion factors, switches, controls, and much more.

Well you ? true, you have to say? that's not so? easy to study if you are not c'? someone to teach.... at the beginning you have to rely on the drive of the programs, if they are crap, we should be good to notice. Are info that all if you keep them narrow, tight, and in my opinion, and is also right, there must be from people who start to have the desire to learn...
Well why? honestly who would be able to decipher a map without having learned what are the charts accurate if not studying???

Then c'? those who study and teach and those who study and keep everything for s? add that to teach and difficult, insisting to the 4 winds and very easy...

[carmageddon]

the decision to rely on programs to edit incomplete and unreliable ? dictated by the desire to remove the whim of the change itself, but to trust in the drivers means start/follow the wrong path, and for those who need to learn why? start with the wrong information?

I can't understand is what!

the study does not mean to make a change and try it, it means to know and if it is real information there will be no basis to be able to implant the studio and make changes.

[rdponline]

And then what do you advice me???? What ? as I have to study???? What sources???

[sergiot]

not ? easy to explain the deal? of work and information that are necessary for the completion of a mapping when developing a new model.
those who buy on the market is all over already? done, and less ivede better ?.
I provide some numbers to give you an idea of the amount of work:
in a control unit modern there are about 5000 maps to write,(in some over 9000), but in the "driver "which is spoken of here if you know of about 10 for model sometimes less than 10, and you don't even know if they are the right ones.
to make a complete map of a group of about 10 people working for almost 1 - 2 years , only for the engine , but today, the ecu does not govern only the engine.
this is to give you an idea of the quantitative knowledge that are behind the construction of a mapping, as he tried to explain carmageddon.

[rdponline]

not ? easy to explain the deal? of work and information that are necessary for the completion of a mapping when developing a new model.
those who buy on the market is all over already? done, and less ivede better ?.
I provide some numbers to give you an idea of the amount of work:
in a control unit modern there are about 5000 maps to write,(in some over 9000), but in the "driver "which is spoken of here if you know of about 10 for model sometimes less than 10, and you don't even know if they are the right ones.
to make a complete map of a group of about 10 people working for almost 1 - 2 years , only for the engine , but today, the ecu does not govern only the engine.
this is to give you an idea of the quantitative knowledge that are behind the construction of a mapping, as he tried to explain carmageddon.

Ok, this ? fact... no rain... I'm not a neophyte experience, I maybe not as much as the one you have, to? I meant to say something else. Here's an example, thanks to a friend preparer are able to locate the map of the swirl alpha... no driver the ago see, right??? Then I said to myself, if someone does not teach you certain things for sure you can't do this alone, the map, and very long and full of charts, 2d views, if someone does not teach you the curves that the drive does not make you see, one how do you know that the graphic swirl not ? some other thing??? And before you spoke it to study, but to study what if everyone knows what they do leak, to a maximum of 10 maps does anybody know the other more, but we are them.... then, if c'? people who can give a name to all the curves that we are in a map, I would like to know and pay the price for it so that it can learn something from him... what do you think???

[carmageddon]

And then what do you advice me???? What ? as I have to study???? What sources???

-if your order ? have a remapping for your car in the care of experts who can meet your needs

-if your order ? to learn and do this job, as I see it, you will have to take from any company that you give? the possibility? to study the need and apply the knowledge learned

[rdponline]

As explained at the beginning, I cover the 59f the 5af and 4af and usually ask me to let go of these machines that are not so? performing, and I'm here to accept advice on how to behave, to map. I have recommended the advance, and then I accept the council ? let? testing of the car. It's all here. I try to learn from someone who has more? experience me... and I accept all the advice possible

[frantik3]

yes, but the eye that the tests without the knowledge does not bring benefits, especially when it comes to remapping


exact you can sometimes have the opposite effect!!!!

[kingsnake]

I played it a lot on my car, I have a Punto 1.2 natural power, and the benefits that I have found are in the loads parzializzati, time, long ago, I read with mpps and I had problems with the checksum, in practice, after the writing remained the engine failure on fixed but the car was in motion regularly.
With the kess instead I just and read, but I have not yet tried to write it for? ecm at least recognizes the driver

[racanacci]

you have changed the parameters in the ecu petrol then?

[kingsnake]

Yes, I only changed the advances, I have written it with the kess now and everything ? went well without errors.

[racanacci]

understood, then the changes you made, you can hear only when one turns to gasoline or am I wrong?

[kingsnake]

No, the advances automatically change when you turn methane

[racanacci]

understood...so if incrementassi injection zoned I go to vary on the ecu gasoline feeling the change only when I turn the petrol, however if I edit the advances avr? the change in both petrol and cng...

[kingsnake]

To this question I do not know to answer, why? I have not tried to vary the injection time

[racanacci]

understood, I just have a panda natural power 1.2... prover? to make some little change
hopefully, we won't do damage..