remap to aspirated gasoline... what would you change?

[giannimini]

hi guys, I know, unfortunately, that the remap on a petrol engine is little and nothing. unless you change the various parts such as cams, intake carbon, catalyst and so on. for? an original unit... that limit has to be original? what is pu? in order to make pi? brio?

about 2 times by changing the fuel mixture and advance you have good results, about 4 times I think it is also so.

for example, sifting through the various maps of the original car, gasoline, titanium, and 2001, I have seen that the injection of salt but no hand that rise of the rpm and the throttle opening... and woe to you if it were not so perfect... while the advance varies in a different way... even if at a low rpm of course, if it has less (as anticipated), and agiri high pi? (postponed)

perfect...

what % can you? intervene and how many rounds?

for example, if you get fat a p? you would not get more performance, and it is anticip? a p? the advance?

the problem ?: you usually how changing these values?

for example, I noticed that my car under 2,500 rpm launches... after no... for sure I expect by reading the map that the values of advance and injection do not rise with a linear curve, but very, very fast above this value (even if my engine ? vti to the variable advance, I believe above 2500..)

in fact, above 2500 seems like waking up...

in short, I would like to discuss a p? on the topic.

my car ? a mini r56 intake. engine 1.600 120 hp... the same as the ds3 207 vti and 208 1.600 to understand, and many other of the psa group made after 2007

[explode82]

essondo the mapping of the petrol complicated to explain,and what I do well either,but any advice I can give it to you, cash advances, you can give them but you have to try not to overdo it because? if not pat,then you can act on the restriction of the engine torque,on the lambda, and the opening of the throttle valve, petrol you can give,but you should always check the temperature and the stoichiometric

[giannimini]

Ok. Were the things that I wanted to be myself.

The discourse ?: on ecm titanium the value of the advances at low and high revs as the number of your speak should be increased or decreased to anticipate a little, and then make the engine more? ready. And you as toccheresti percentage values.

Said there? the same goes for the benz? In the injection values are decreased fat? I read a thing on the forum.

The third thing. If I install a de a catalyst, for example, and I have to grease a lot of how do I see the carb in real-time from an obd map in real time?

Every time I must open the ecu to put it in the boot etc etc? My ? a 17 meV bosh :-)

Thanks again for the helpfulness

[fabiovts88]

I'm also interested me in this discussion .. I don't understand how much I have to give in advance and how to get fat .. I have a c2 vts

[Driver]

Ok. Were the things that I wanted to be myself.

The discourse ?: on ecm titanium the value of the advances at low and high revs as the number of your speak should be increased or decreased to anticipate a little, and then make the engine more? ready. And you as toccheresti percentage values.

Said there? the same goes for the benz? In the injection values are decreased fat? I read a thing on the forum.

The third thing. If I install a de a catalyst, for example, and I have to grease a lot of how do I see the carb in real-time from an obd map in real time?

Every time I must open the ecu to put it in the boot etc etc? My ? a 17 meV bosh :-)

Thanks again for the availability?

[Driver]

I'm also interested me in this discussion .. I don't understand how much I have to give in advance and how to get fat .. I have a c2 vts

Always from the little that I know, pi? or less on the 3% of the injection, while for the down payment ? a little bit more? hard to say, but no more? 7? at medium revs and 1? - 2? schemes high. Then ? try it!!!

[fabiovts88]

7 degrees to how many points correspond to the pero? ? this is what I can not understand

then what will change from the injection correction and zoned? they move together?

[giannimini]

ok, it is convenient to grease and anticipate, then, right?
then on the map in a grid with a 17 mev should I find myself with values injection minors to up load/throttle and rpm right?

and for the advance instead? the grades you give in points real? on a mev 17 what should I read? higher values the higher load and rpm or lower?

usually a petrol engine runs with anticpi pi? relaxed to the high, and more? tosti to low to make it more? ready.... or am I wrong?

[fabiovts88]

I don't understand how to give them the degrees of advance!! them in the calculation? the system of giving points in the negative, in order to fatten applies anke for the bosch me 7.4.5?

[Driver]

I don't understand how to give them the degrees of advance!! them in the calculation? the system of giving points in the negative, in order to fatten applies anke for the bosch me 7.4.5?

If I don't say shit, the numbers you see in the table correspond to the degrees of advance. Give points in the negative, in order to fatten should also apply to me 7.4.5

[ducati83]

usually for the bsoch I noticed that in the advances of the data is in the clear, without conversions....while for the marelli iaw a degree equal to 10 points increase
but expect that someone that ? certain can confirm it...
on iaw ducati I've always done it this way and I found myself with the diagnosis and with the log.

[giannimini]

Then in the map advances should I find myself with a table where I can insert the dawn from 0a360 right? Sorry for the igniranza.
With values that are growing to increase the king of the load on the engine/throttle and rpm? Right?

At least on all the bikes ? cos?, also about 2 times.

If mathematics ? an opinion, higher values delay the advance by relaxing the the engine, while lower values anticipate making the engine more? ready but inviting as a result...

Right guys?

Posted some files that begin to give him a look if you like.

[Driver]

Then in the map advances should I find myself with a table where I can insert the dawn from 0a360 right? Sorry for the igniranza.
With values that are growing to increase the king of the load on the engine/throttle and rpm? Right?

At least on all the bikes ? cos?, also about 2 times.

If mathematics ? an opinion, higher values delay the advance by relaxing the the engine, while lower values anticipate making the engine more? ready but inviting as a result...

Right guys?

Posted some files that begin to give him a look if you like.


I've tried to make a mod and I have opened a discussion here: https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?5828-Parere-mappa-C2-VTS

If you want to take the example of this ecu and see a little bit of advice. :rolleyes:

[sergiot]

usually for the bsoch I noticed that in the advances of the data is in the clear, without conversions....while for the marelli iaw a degree equal to 10 points increase
but expect that someone that ? certain can confirm it...
on iaw ducati I've always done it this way and I found myself with the diagnosis and with the log.

on the bosch advances ignition :for each point increase = 0,75 degrees engine
generally at the value of pi? the top corresponds to pi? advance. but not always.
on systems pi? old there was also an offset (where to write to 0 degrees you should not have to write 0)

[giannimini]

perfect, therefore, values higher than the pi? advance then the machine more? ready.... I thought the opposite
the files of the c2 have them tested? now drain them and began to give him a look

[fabiovts88]

then +1 point postponement of 0.75 degrees right? then, by removing in advance!?

[ducati83]

on the bosch advances ignition :for each point increase = 0,75 degrees engine
generally at the value of pi? the top corresponds to pi? advance. but not always.
on systems pi? old there was also an offset (where to write to 0 degrees you should not have to write 0)

of course we talk about the bosch gasoline ...

[fabiovts88]

I notice that in this map, in injection, partial, full load, correction values at the end of the map series decrease ? so it means that she is getting fat already from the original towards the end? I have already made the map of the advances what do I do more gasoline subtracting as you said? I'm going to confusion!!!!!! :)

[giannimini]

Decrease only at 6000 rpm but before that threshold increases we have made the case?
If you look at it in 2D you realize.

You need to see then you map in the last column, i.e. engine load/throttle at 100x100 and go read down... The values are increasing, what does this mean? That with I the motor at full load and then full throttle, with increasing rpm the advance payments you relax and increases the injection... Let it be there? that first read

You notice the thing by opening the map in 3D

Now I can also make mistakes but I think it is so?.

The fact that at 6000 rpm the values are different than the previous I didn't understand it, maybe cut the gas... I don't know but I think it's cos? this ecu... Then we would always try

[fabiovts88]

according to me you are doing so much confusion then, I'm in the other page I posted the last map ? to anticipate, I have given + (intederci) for grease I have given....

[giannimini]

Ok anyway the test and let us know according to me in this way, you have emaciated and delayed :-)
When you put on for us, let us know ;-)

[fabiovts88]

nn I l equipment x to load it... I have already one made by a mapper in my area tomorrow ... if I can I give the file, so I see a bit if c I realized something.. :)

[giannimini]

Ok, however, if you look at it well, especially the column on the right cio? load and throttle 100x100
? spins that are piling up, you realize that the valoi rise both to the beginning and then get fat (with the exception of 6000 that go down again), and the values of advance idem, therefore, think that the advances they relax at the rise of the turns

The guys I know that everyone says that the lowering of the values you get fat and increasing values is anticipated on this ecu

But if you study the map and OPEN it in 3D you will notice for sure this thing

How come there you had done?
Have I missed something?

Please correct me if I wrote crap

[fabiovts88]

I honestly don't know, I thought the opposite that the values were going up (always following the usual speech) ? ke smagriva up to 6000 rpm that came down to (perhaps)apply grease to the mixture ... you ... took a look at my last map?

[giannimini]

hello fabio for the fuel mixture you are right, removing you get fat and putting it smagrisce.
while the advances ok, putting you delay, removing it is anticipated,. I have also put photos of the open map in 3d

in your last map you inghrassato and delayed the advances of that? the step 3 if I remember correctly, because you have removed the values at the injection and increased those advances.

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[fabiovts88]

I can't see the images because of the messages .. can you send them to me to pm or e-mail.. ?

[leandro89]

I can't see the images because of the messages .. can you send them to me to pm or e-mail.. ?

in the respect of the forum and the users who participate in this request ? appropriate, careful to arrive at the threshold that allows you to download

[giannimini]

As soon as you get To the messages, you can do what you want let's ban :-)


I honestly don't know, I thought the opposite that the values were going up (always following the usual speech) ? ke smagriva up to 6000 rpm that came down to (perhaps)apply grease to the mixture ... you ... took a look at my last map?


in fact this ecu in the map injection by removing points you get fat and making you smagrisce, sorry for all of us? I have written previously.

while for the advance ? the address of the first increasing values are retards. why? the values rise with increasing rpm.

the map injection you are right in saying that it is enriched by removing values,

however, why? you have delayed so the advance? good at high rpm to protect the engine, but up to 5000 foul a p? pi? pulled...

however, editing the map for a time senn? don't come on the pi? to ****.

sorry again for what I have written on the map injection, I was confused with another ecu.

I have put photos of the 3d... to better understand the map I open it's always like this.

here is the message that I had to write that for smaglio I put in the file section beccandomi a ammunizione :-)

[sergiot]

while the advances ok, putting you delay, removing it is anticipated,. I have also put photos of the open map in 3d

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? just the opposite

[giannimini]

? just the opposite
Ok so you believe that the machine loads and low rpm runs with a advance ir? delayed, and then relaxed, and as the salt of spins it becomes more of? aunticipata and then pi? reactive?

It seems strange to me why? any engine 2 t scooter, or in general to the contrary.

Since the values grow, I believe that the advances should be as delaying the rise of the round.

Then put lower values should anticipate.

I would be happy to hear your version about pu? be I'm wrong as I told you, but all the ignition of the scooter, for example, such variable advance work cos?.

Let us know hello there!

[fabiovts88]

I made like this because from what I understand if the increase in advance .. so in my logic that I wanted to anticipate've given so .. :)

[sergiot]

Ok so you believe that the machine loads and low rpm runs with a advance ir? delayed, and then relaxed, and as the salt of spins it becomes more of? aunticipata and then pi? reactive?

It seems strange to me why? any engine 2 t scooter, or in general to the contrary.

Since the values grow, I believe that the advances should be as delaying the rise of the round.

Then put lower values should anticipate.

I would be happy to hear your version about pu? be I'm wrong as I told you, but all the ignition of the scooter, for example, such variable advance work cos?.

Let us know hello there!

on both the 2 times about 4 times the performance of the advance with the load and with the rounds ? a similar, albeit with different absolute values.
and the map in advance of which we are speaking is no exception.
you can also see from the 3d images you posted

[fabiovts88]

I would like to understand one thing on all units (apart from the bosch me 7.4.5 from what I understand) as you calculate the degrees of advance ? 1 point = 1 degree, or there are conversion formulas? if ? so who ? so dear to dirmele xke I do not find

[amen]

It should be cos?:degrees advance = value x 0,023437