Opinion the map after DPF removal

[panterargento]

Hi to all, the map in question ? my bravo 1.9 mjet 150 hp hw578 sw510, as the title suggests I have physically removed the DPF and I would like an opinion if it can? go.
I have to say that I have already? written and seems to go pretty well, with the smoke, almost nil after the 3500rpm therefore be acceptable, and then I started a little at the top with the increases because if I go down I have vibration problems with the flywheel, even with low rates.
Thank you in advance.

[msport (exil77grande)]

the two files are not the same machine.

[panterargento]

In that sense they are not the same machine?
In the archive c'? the ori and the mod, and I just tried to open them with titanium, and are applied...
What not to v

[munro]

I don't find anything strange in the file....
except for some of the maps moddate of which you asked in another thread that the meeting in your mod file....
are you sure that what you have done does not affect anything??do you know what involves a limiter of iq as a function of temp diesel moddato that way??
then I wanted to ask you if those mod to 1cb946,1cbf0c,1cbf72 did you or the time ? however, if you made you to what you refer??
for the rest of the map I do not like it...in the DW starts to moddare at 2500 rpm...the afterlife? of as increase from the maps pedal you can, however, start to moddare from 1500 rpm.. in the lim couple do the same error,if I may call it that,the parties to moddare from 3250 rpm...parts as well..looking for? not to give too much gains in the area of 1750-2500rpm after this area a p? critical to the turbo you can give the increase, that the more you like...the lambda you made them all to 1.1...you made a log to see at least your maf in that area work?
for the turbo of your mod and questionable...by 125 mbar have low and you "satisfied" 100 to high where it should be the opposite...
also do not change the press rail but still raise the pressure limiters....why???

[panterargento]

That limit iq as a function of temperature diesel I have seen moddare to many here in the forum, but honestly, it's not? if they really can cause damage, in the case, what might happen?
The 3 addresses the fact that he has made the "time".
Regarding the DW are party to 2500 why? if I start from the pi? below also a low percentage (made + tests) I vibrates the flywheel.
The torque limiter are party to 2500, and not from the 3250...
The lambda all to 1 (? the stoichiometric one), since I do not have more? the DPF, I don't think that creates problems.
Still, I have not done a log, the maf see him with air mass, measured and objective? (I use multiecuscan) And it should work in optimal conditions?
For the turbo I have given a little more? to have a better response, and less as the high to not stress it too much.
The limiters rail I increased to give a bit of freedom from the rail itself, and the latter will not have increased, why? however, I think absorb power and then saw a little smoke (almost zero) I haven't felt imporatante it.
The performances are decent but not the greatest, and still repeat the smoke to the high (after 3500rpm) ? almost non-existent.

[msport (exil77grande)]

sorry actually I was on dekstops a mod file of a bravo with different sw and the consfuso,for the rest of the map I don't like the turbo and the torque limiter and enrichment you could make it a little more prgressivo,maps, lambda, you should check well in diagnosis how to behave for the rest can go.

[panterargento]

Ok thanks for the advice, but in the specific diagnosis for the lambda how do I adjust using multiecuscan?
For the moment, the torque limiter and enrichment leave them unchanged, while for the turbo is better, as in the screen?
Sincerely with the turbo I have always difficulty? understand how to set it...

[msport (exil77grande)]

for the turbo and better than before.

[panterargento]

msport always very helpful...thanks

[ion]

That limit iq as a function of temperature diesel I have seen moddare to many here in the forum, but honestly, it's not? if they really can cause damage, in the case, what might happen?
The 3 addresses the fact that he has made the "time".
Regarding the DW are party to 2500 why? if I start from the pi? below also a low percentage (made + tests) I vibrates the flywheel.
The torque limiter are party to 2500, and not from the 3250...
The lambda all to 1 (? the stoichiometric one), since I do not have more? the DPF, I don't think that creates problems.
Still, I have not done a log, the maf see him with air mass, measured and objective? (I use multiecuscan) And it should work in optimal conditions?
For the turbo I have given a little more? to have a better response, and less as the high to not stress it too much.
The limiters rail I increased to give a bit of freedom from the rail itself, and the latter will not have increased, why? however, I think absorb power and then saw a little smoke (almost zero) I haven't felt imporatante it.
The performances are decent but not the greatest, and still repeat the smoke to the high (after 3500rpm) ? almost non-existent.
The rail I would increase a tad, evil does not secure to the performance (without overdoing it of course!)
In that sense, "it absorbs power" ???

[panterargento]

In the sense that it absorbs power...exactly, I don't know how much, but in some of the discussion some expert has mentioned.

[panterargento]

I think, however, that to inject more? 80mm cubes, in addition to raise the limiters out of the driver, should intervene on the timing of the injection, or informing, or by tricking the ecu.
Bastonatemi if I said a stonxata...

[jacktheripper2]

I think, however, that to inject more? 80mm cubes, in addition to raise the limiters out of the driver, should intervene on the timing of the injection, or informing, or by tricking the ecu.
Bastonatemi if I said a stonxata...

To inject more? of 80mm3 informing the ecu you have to raise the last bp and recalculated the times on the last column according to what you put on the bp. For 90mm3 by 10%, calcolandoli for good is pi? or minus 10% on the entire column. Do not touch the first points to 3000?.

[panterargento]

It was precisely what I meant...the bp that is the first time to inform you ;)

[panterargento]

To inject more? of 80mm3 informing the ecu you have to raise the last bp and recalculated the times on the last column according to what you put on the bp. For 90mm3 by 10%, calcolandoli for good is pi? or minus 10% on the entire column. Do not touch the first points to 3000?.

Re-reading the discussion, I think you have not understood something...what do you mean by "do not touch the first points to 3000"?

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Riesumo this discussion because I've made some tweaks to the map, and I have not deemed it appropriate to open a new one.
Therefore, I would always have a opinion about it, I emphasize that the intent ? to inject 80mm3 and extend in speed? the maximum, remember that below 2500rpm, I can't give the increases also low, otherwise I vibrates the flywheel, and I really do not affect the performance under those rides.
Thank you in advance.

[jacktheripper2]

Riesumo this discussion because I've made some tweaks to the map, and I have not deemed it appropriate to open a new one.
Therefore, I would always have a opinion about it, I emphasize that the intent ? to inject 80mm3 and extend in speed? the maximum, remember that below 2500rpm, I can't give the increases also low, otherwise I vibrates the flywheel, and I really do not affect the performance under those rides.
Thank you in advance.

I still can't see the map but I tell you already? for 80mm3 times you can leave the original. In another discussion, I posted a map already? that should make about 190 hp with 90mm3 maximum, average, and 80/82mm3 to 4000 rpm. If you just 80mm3 begins to raise the last Break point on all the maps that have it, unless: rail,advance,pressure, turbo,vgt, and on those the main ones in regeneration. Those in regeneration, then leave them gold, while those in the main to the change only on the last point of the curves (or on the last column in the table), the vgt open it a bit more? but it could also not serve, then I suggest to make a test map vgt gold and only bp raised. On advances to 80mm3 by 1 degree 4500giri and 3 degrees to the 4000 if you raise the rail pressure to 1680bar, if not you turn it up by 2 degrees at 4500 and 3.5/4 degrees at 4000 rpm. Speed pi? low parts by 1 degree until you get to 3 degrees to the 3750. Always change only the last point of each curve, or the last column in the table, lifting the last Break point of the map to 80mm3 of course. To do it fast of course you can copy data or increments, and copy them on similar maps. Sincerely for 80mm3 the rail I would leave it original, as he always says another user of the forum, the rail ? well turn it up only when the IQ become high, and then also the times to inject certain IQ you stretch a lot, raising the rail ? can shorten a little bit the times of injection and cos? you do not have to? to give too much advance to be the pi? close as possible to the pms.
Returning to the map on the turbo do as you will, I will, just the last point on the curves giving by 100 to 150 points depending on how ? the mass of the turbine and the last curves rather by a p? in the points before to make it more? linear, especially on the last corner make a 'triangle'. You'll certainly have to do a log and see how much air you have to 4000 rpm, calculates that if you have 950mg/s of air at those rpm you will need to set the lambda to about 0.95 to 950mg/s (and smoke?), of course, with the turbine of the original without adding too much pressure to the machine to secure a little smoke, giving 80mm3 to 4000 rpm, whereas ori ne injects 62..
Try to follow what I told you, and if you want to look at the map I put in another topic

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The map I made to inject the maximum 80mm3, time, and the rail are ori (of course the limit IQ out of the driver I get up just to 82mm3), also advances I left golds and I think that there is need to give some degree in as much as the machine does not smoke, especially at high rpm, only a small sbuffata if the ball hit the pedal but it's all over...for the turbo I have given up 125 points in pi? adjusting the limiters.
I would like to emphasize that I am not an expert, and st? trying to learn, I do not understand what is meant by "VGT"...then I did not understand the fact of raising all the BP, that of the times would be the only one if I wanted to give more? of 80mm3 for example incrementanto the last point to 90mm3, but as I explained I don't need...mail the link to your map cos? I try to better understand, in this way to me ? a p? difficult...
The car is quite good, and I would not go more than a question of reliability?...

[jacktheripper2]

The map I made to inject the maximum 80mm3, time, and the rail are ori (of course the limit IQ out of the driver I get up just to 82mm3), also advances I left golds and I think that there is need to give some degree in as much as the machine does not smoke, especially at high rpm, only a small sbuffata if the ball hit the pedal but it's all over...for the turbo I have given up 125 points in pi? adjusting the limiters.
I would like to emphasize that I am not an expert, and st? trying to learn, I do not understand what is meant by "VGT"...then I did not understand the fact of raising all the BP, that of the times would be the only one if I wanted to give more? of 80mm3 for example incrementanto the last point to 90mm3, but as I explained I don't need...mail the link to your map cos? I try to better understand, in this way to me ? a p? difficult...
The car is quite good, and I would not go more than a question of reliability?...


To give over 80mm3), you can raise the bp of the times if desired, the deception a bit holding the original. You do realize that giving 10% to the last column to inject about 90mm3. In that way for? she thinks that they are 80mm3, and then already? the lambda is just down to 80mm3 and not to 90mm3 as you should if you raise the bp.
I don't understand also why? the limiters have them made 82mm3 and not 80 if so do you want to inject 80mm3..the discussion Here that I said to you.
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?4305-parere-mappa-new-bravo-1-9-120-cv/page4

[panterargento]

I have not had even a log, but, in theory, to 4000 rpm I should be 80mm3 according to the maps.
The lambda I made them all to 1 (it should be the stechimetrico).
The limiters I made 82 only to give freedom? maps, time, and anyway I don't think I go a bottle 80 as the times are ori...I would have been able to raise them up to 90, but theoretically I would have injected always at 80.
I think that does not make a difference if I change the BP of the other maps to 80mm3, as 70mm3 then would always have those values, so to speak, for example, if I leave it to 70mm3 the BP at the bottom of the curve of the rail pressure, I would have a pressure to 4000 rpm to 1600 bar, but I think that the pressure would also with the BP 80mm3... therefore also injecting more? of 70mm3 I always 1600 bar those rides, with or without moddare the BP...maybe I might be wrong of this, I repeat I am not an expert.
Dar? a look at the discussion...

[jacktheripper2]

I have not had even a log, but, in theory, to 4000 rpm I should be 80mm3 according to the maps.
The lambda I made them all to 1 (it should be the stechimetrico).
The limiters I made 82 only to give freedom? maps, time, and anyway I don't think I go a bottle 80 as the times are ori...I would have been able to raise them up to 90, but theoretically I would have injected always at 80.
I think that does not make a difference if I change the BP of the other maps to 80mm3, as 70mm3 then would always have those values, so to speak, for example, if I leave it to 70mm3 the BP at the bottom of the curve of the rail pressure, I would have a pressure to 4000 rpm to 1600 bar, but I think that the pressure would also with the BP 80mm3... therefore also injecting more? of 70mm3 I always 1600 bar those rides, with or without moddare the BP...maybe I might be wrong of this, I repeat I am not an expert.
Dar? a look at the discussion...

If you want to with rail stock leave the original bp.

[panterargento]

Earlier on you said that give a bit of advance payments would be better, but what I ask of you ? anticipate that even without smoke?
In truth? aside from that puff when it sank suddenly, and with a bit of smoke does, but ? almost zero, and only when there are headlights of another car that follows, the known from the front mirror of the mist, but by day you barely notice...

[jacktheripper2]

Earlier on you said that give a bit of advance payments would be better, but what I ask of you ? anticipate that even without smoke?
In truth? aside from that puff when it sank suddenly, and with a bit of smoke does, but ? almost zero, and only when there are headlights of another car that follows, the known from the front mirror of the mist, but by day you barely notice...

A little early doesn't hurt. Checks from the log, however, the injection and you can see how to inject from 4000 up, why? according to me 80mm3 them not to inject up to a high rpm, but it all depends on how much air you have, even if at a high rpm you have more? of 980mg/i, then inject them, and a little bit of advance in that case the I would give. At high rpm the injection should be the pi? close as possible to the pms.

[panterargento]

Ok, as soon as possible I do a log, and the place so you can analyze and, if necessary, make changes to the advance.

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I have made the log, in 5th gear a little uphill about 2%-3% up to 4000 rpm, however, has injected 80mm3 as I had calculated from the map, I am attaching the map on which I made the log ? remodeled at some point compared to the one posted above + the log.

[panterargento]

I seem to notice that after the 2 maps lambda there is another out of driver, and would seem to be a limiter of the same, I would understand if v? made like the other, or ? a map that works in regeneration?

[jacktheripper2]

I seem to notice that after the 2 maps lambda there is another out of driver, and would seem to be a limiter of the same, I would understand if v? made like the other, or ? a map that works in regeneration?

[panterargento]

Ok thanks jack.
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[leandro89]

Ok thanks jack.
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do you know that your p.s. you have written ? prohibited by the regulation? every so often the board to all users to read the rules.

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Sorry, I didn't realized ? right, every now and then ? it is better to be a flashback to the regulation cos? by curbing the instinct ? as is sometimes the park in no parking without looking at the ban...