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bravo 1.9 120 hp
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the I have already? loaded and it goes bad, the only thing that I have not solved that by 1000, to 1500 rpm it pushes, it to 1500 then explodes.
you have missed a lot of maps, however it is a physical fact that by 1000 you have 1500 does not push, the turbine needs to turn to load.
I drove another bravo remapped and between 1000 and 1500 va very best of my, from 1500 onwards, the with my are the same. the owner of the car did not wanted to get me to read his ecu to understand how to act why? so he promised the coach that has done it.
in addition advances, what other maps I could tap?
michele30
09-10-2013, 20:55
I'm not an expert, but to force that explodes you have 22% of torque already at 1000 rpm, the clutch enjoys
the maps pedal can increase only a 5%
the turbo is more or less ok
rail you are on the 2% I feel like I've seen you can also increase them a bit, maybe up to 4%
the maps 1e3264
and 1e3330, what are they?
the clutch does not flap also having gi? 70000 km. it explodes and to make the idea that the first of the 1500 rpm the car does not respond as after 1500.
for the addresses I do not have the map on the home pc, and I have not reached the 80 messages to be able to download from the forum, tomorrow in the workshop check and let you know.
then don't remember having given 22% of torque at 1000 rpm!
cinqueturbo
09-10-2013, 23:56
bravo 1.9 120 hp is not in the swirl?
I ask why? an eighth note 150hp mapped before removing them down there was not the granch? and at the top smoked as well..
once removed and cleaned out everything with the same map and changed completely.
the bravo 1.9 120cv mounts the old engine jtd 8 valve with the fuel injectors mjet, and should not have the swirl.
check that the egr is closed, not only the map but also physically (put a strip of sheet) because if you have even a small leakage makes you lose that bit of pressure that the turbo gives you in those laps, after above when pushing not to notice it more.
nasone147
10-10-2013, 13:50
Edc16c39 the forum ? full of news, addresses, maps, etc, etc! You just have to try and I guarantee you will find everything you need!
mattycar
10-10-2013, 16:34
to address 1C4B08 and 1C4BD6 rimettile ori.(many maps)
ecuboost
10-10-2013, 17:05
c'? also the map is almost ready if you are looking for, I had made myself with the help of the whole forum
Unfortunately I still can not download attachments, I took a ride in the forum, but I could only read the comments of things that encora, I can't see.
I use ecm 2001 to change, and to the addresses you mentioned I have not found changes, the same for the 22% of the couple that I do not see, and the ral is not 2%.
I'm not an expert, but to force that explodes you have 22% of torque already at 1000 rpm, the clutch enjoys
the maps pedal can increase only a 5%
the turbo is more or less ok
rail you are on the 2% I feel like I've seen you can also increase them a bit, maybe up to 4%
the maps 1e3264
and 1e3330, what are they?
to the addresses that you say I ecm2001 I do not find changes, that maps are missing?
to address 1C4B08 and 1C4BD6 rimettile ori.(many maps)
I use ecm 2001 to change, and to the addresses you mentioned I have not found changes, the same for the 22% of the couple that I do not see, and the ral is not 2%.
Check well, I see the same things said by another member. Above all, 22% of torque at 1000rpm not ? the maximum for the clutch...
Ah, I don't see changes at least part of the injection diesel, when I had made a couple of similar machines, I'd done a lot of work above.
That don't push the 1000 rpm according to me ? better for the clutch, then it is a question of taste on the drive way, for example, I prefer to give a little bit more? extension also to the diesel too much "blow" to the low...
:rolleyes:
you give me the address of the 22% of couple that you see. I do not find it, I would not have attached a map to another...
also, to the addresses that you say, I don't find any changes, after 1c4b08, and 1c4bd6 are the controls of the egr, but I don't think I talk about those.
you give me the address of the 22% of couple that you see. I do not find it, I would not have attached a map to another...
also, to the addresses that you say, I don't find any changes, after 1c4b08, and 1c4bd6 are the controls of the egr, but I don't think I talk about those.
1CBD52 limiter to 22% at 1000 rpm, and immediately after 1250 six to 23.58, if you don't see them you're looking at another file and not the one posted by YOU on the forum.
1CBD52 limiter to 22% at 1000 rpm, and immediately after 1250 six to 23.58, if you don't see them you're looking at another file and not the one posted by YOU on the forum.
In fact...
:rolleyes:
but you speak of the 22% increase?
but you speak of the 22% increase?
??? And what else ???
:confused:
Then I must have the wrong loading the map on the forum,' cause I is 9%. Even if I didn't find any map that was saved has 22% increase to 1000 rpm on the rev limiter.
Then I must have the wrong loading the map on the forum,' cause I is 9%. Even if I didn't find any map that was saved has 22% increase to 1000 rpm on the rev limiter.
??? If you don't know you....
:confused:
nasone147
12-10-2013, 13:37
Mah..ask for help we provide, and then it looks like there freghiate!! Load the map that you see!
check that the egr is closed, not only the map but also physically (put a strip of sheet) because if you have even a small leakage makes you lose that bit of pressure that the turbo gives you in those laps, after above when pushing not to notice it more.
fitted sheet but not change anything.
no one has more? that said, if the file that I have attached and different from the first one, I am sure you loaded the right file the first time.
I would not like that with ecm 2001 mistake to see the additions to, or titanium, or map 3d you see otherwise(but I don't think).
what you have loaded now is different from the first, the increases are smaller on the limiter.
ecuboost
16-10-2013, 13:36
test the car with the mass air flow sensor unplugged
test the car with the mass air flow sensor unplugged
Test already done this, and should always be the same.
If I add a bit of advance?
jacktheripper2
18-10-2013, 14:41
This machine, in theory, makes about 180 hp without touching the injection times why? The injection times are already? calculated for 80mm3 it's enough to make those hp if injected to 4000 rpm and beyond
nasone147
18-10-2013, 17:28
Advice to improve it?
First advice do not listen to those who promise the stables exorbitant! Without the mechanical changes you can reach max at 160 horses about, I have your same engine, only to? on the 147, as soon as I have the chance? looking at the new map will help!
This machine, in theory, makes about 180 hp without touching the injection times why? The injection times are already? calculated for 80mm3 it's enough to make those hp if injected to 4000 rpm and beyond
You said the magic word...
:rolleyes:
60 hp without touching the injection times, finally someone who can help johnny.
In fact, 60 hp seemed to many even for me, who am not an expert, I think you can get a thirty horse power with a good map without changes in the mechanical safety. I think that my map actual pu? give me a 15 horsepower, but with a provision that is not well distributed yet. Appearance your advice before changing the map again.
nasone147
20-10-2013, 21:28
here I am..then from what I have learned,on a map and soft,I can tell you,in short....the torque limiter I usually increase of 15% while you're at the party by 10% up to a max of 25%..maps pedal 5%, and you're the same as well..the egr off ok..limiters rail you have given 3% I would have dared, and up to 5% for? starting from 1e6d68 and not as you did from 1e6d38!(because????)
jacktheripper2
23-10-2013, 21:52
60 hp without touching the injection times, finally someone who can help johnny.
You can believe as not to believe me is not nothing. I was on my own with the 1.9 16v, I rolled 262 hp and 540nm, with a maximum of 40% of time and 50% of the time I made 267 hp and 550nm, of course, with the turbine, exhaust, etc etc, I have the injectors in the 2.4 210 hp, but the % that I said ? based on these injectors, in comparison to my stock I have a little less than 30% with the map of 262 hp. I had a 147 1.9 16v 150 hp with only the map (no mechanical change) I could hardly keep up with him in the mix with an a6 3.0 245 hp. And the injection times are at about 10%.
Johnny now I have a look at your map, however, and let you know.
You can believe as not to believe me is not nothing. I was on my own with the 1.9 16v, I rolled 262 hp and 540nm, with a maximum of 40% of time and 50% of the time I made 267 hp and 550nm, of course, with the turbine, exhaust, etc etc, I have the injectors in the 2.4 210 hp, but the % that I said ? based on these injectors, in comparison to my stock I have a little less than 30% with the map of 262 hp. I had a 147 1.9 16v 150 hp with only the map (no mechanical change) I could hardly keep up with him in the mix with an a6 3.0 245 hp. And the injection times are at about 10%.
Johnny now I have a look at your map, however, and let you know.
Edit, I still can't download the attachments I had forgotten. When can? do you give? a hand willingly.
in the first post there are the numbers, hw and sw ,I don't think it is difficult for you to find a file and let us see a change, and so to help johnny
jacktheripper2
24-10-2013, 01:28
Here is a file, as should be done. Don't look at the changes in grid why? the maps are scaled. Cos? as I made it you have rail pressure, turbo pressure, the advance and injection times the original up to when you're not around already. To make it ir? reactive, however, I ask for more? diesel fuel from the map the pedal and not just the lambda. The map 'deal? fuel injected' ? your up to 350nm and after ? the 16v has calibrated up to 500nm.
I made a regalone why? a map cos? not done in 2 minutes why? there are enough calculations behind, especially to calculate the lambda is that ? there? that limits the diesel in this file. Up to a p? fumer? I guess, for? should do nice cv.
in the first post there are the numbers, hw and sw ,I don't think it is difficult for you to find a file and let us see a change, and so to help johnny
I would just like to let you know that a friend of mine, we made a delta 1.9 twin turbo that with a map and exhaust has made 260 hp rolled on the tour slowed down, people didn't believe in it but the rolled ? that, and ? was taken on a tour curbed of people who did not know. The 1.9 190 hp has cams better fuel pump better injectors, better pistons, better, and being twin turbo has the turbine big ? big enough and turn to the 1.8 already? from the original, with 2 bars fixed have come out of those cv's.
I would just like to let you know that a friend of mine, we made a delta 1.9 twin turbo that with a map and exhaust has made 260 hp rolled on the tour slowed down, people didn't believe in it but the rolled ? that, and ? was taken on a tour curbed of people who did not know. The 1.9 190 hp has cams better fuel pump better injectors, better pistons, better, and being twin turbo has the turbine big ? big enough and turn to the 1.8 already? from the original, with 2 bars fixed have come out of those cv's.
my sarcasm was dictated by your output of 180 hp without touching either of the times, and given that we are not here to make those who have the longer I have asked to help you, and if you have rolled all of those hp blessed are you, I hope that the map you posted can help you.
p.s. how many hp would have this.
jacktheripper2
24-10-2013, 10:23
my sarcasm was dictated by your output of 180 hp without touching either of the times, and given that we are not here to make those who have the longer I have asked to help you, and if you have rolled all of those hp blessed are you, I hope that the map you posted can help you.
p.s. how many hp would have this.
Should be about 180 hp. The diesel pu? give very well from the map the pedal. If the original injected 53mm3 to 4000 rpm and makes 120 hp, why? with 80mm3 to 4000 rpm could not get out 180 hp? The times are gi? calculated for 80mm3 then why? should be changed?
Since I also still can't download your map, can you help me where to, and coma edit. For us? I realized I have to improve with the pedal, and I think with the relative limiter. And find the map lamp right?
jacktheripper2
24-10-2013, 16:05
Since I also still can't download your map, can you help me where to, and coma edit. For us? I realized I have to improve with the pedal, and I think with the relative limiter. And find the map lamp right?
The lambda you by the driver of titanium also, it would be the limiter, and smoke goes down, but ? to calculate how much based on how much you want to inject. Explain the map in a post ? a little bit difficult, why? there are so many calculations to do. If I have another way to post it that doesn't go against the rules I do. If you tell the ecu what to inject ? better, there? it means change the Break Point of the map, and climb them to where they are needed. However, saying things to fast without going on the complicated to put the map with the pedal all the 480 or 500nm to 100% of the accelerator from 2250 rpm up. In 2000 put it at 430nm. He begins to increase from 30% throttle every curve of 15-20 points, and then climb slowly, like 15 points to 30%, 20 points to 40%, try to do come the curves-linear, at some points 80% do not worry if you have increases the high, important ? it aligns to the bottom of the curve to 480nm. The torque limiter alzalo from 2250 rpm to 480nm, and the first foul-linear rise. The limiters of diesel and put them to 90mm3 on all the turns and don't lower them as you did. Raises the latest BP up to 90mm3 maps advances, rail, turbo and variable geometry, go to the table and by 10% in the last column of the times of injection to just below 3000us, in the map advance table selection the last column from 1750 rpm up, press the right mouse button and from 0.5 to 4 degrees (you should be +0.5 degrees at 1750 rpm and +4 degrees at 4500 rpm)
in the map of turbo in addition to raise the last bp 90mm3 was also raised that before, and put it to 80mm3, and by 50 points on the next to last column in the table and the 100 point on the last column, in the map lambda lowers to 0.9 the last 3 points of each curve (would have to be calculated well with a log, but it should also go quite well cos?) in the two maps from the ecm (the one after is not needed), map rail do on the turbo and raises the latest bp 90mm3 and the first one to 80mm3, go to the table and by 5% from 3000 to 4500 rpm, and 6% from 1500 to 2500 rpm (the last column), and by 4% from 1500 to 2500 rpm, and 3% from 3000 rpm to 4500 rpm on the next to last column. The
Raise your bp even on the maps of the geometry (all 4) and don't touch them. The limiter pressure turbo 1.8 and put it on the surge pressure by 7% to the whole map.
Do not worry if in the pedal or the torque limiter, you have increases in higher c'? the lambda limits.
I forgot, on the pedal and copy the data of the last curve of 5000 rpm, and copy them to 5200 rpm and the torque limiter up to 5200 rpm.
I forgot one important thing; if it were not injected, as it must, you have to copy it on your map amount? fuel injected 1.9 16v with BP included. You should leave it for? then your values of up to 350nm, and then go climbing I don't know if you can do it but not ? nothing complicated.. If you want you can leave also that of the 16v full to try so much the differences are minimal.
I have now seen that uses the ecm of 2001, I would recommend the titanium, which gives you pi? maps and at least makes you see what c'? really in the maps and not the usual rpm and % throttle dcm 2001.
I also read that maybe you have problems with the mass air flow sensor, if you want to you can? off from the map.
9 downloads of the map and still no one speaks...
I'm trying to find ecm titanium to try to make a map with your directions, although I think it is very difficult to do all that you can give us a look if I have understood it, and followed your directions. pius you think that the problem I have at low reggimi is due to the debbimetro? as you can? exclude?
ecuboost
26-10-2013, 12:26
break it off quietly, I have already? done 2000 km with the debbimetro detached....and the car is a wonder, for? not ? on all the cars that you can? disconnect, why? usually go in recoveri, or if it does not go in recoveri goes bad the same.
mine goes in recoveri, and turn immediately to the light.
ecuboost
26-10-2013, 15:48
but sorry, how can? I-I have your identical car...I turn on only the light on the picture, but does not go into recovery
jacktheripper2
26-10-2013, 16:34
but sorry, how can? I-I have your identical car...I turn on only the light on the picture, but does not go into recovery
By disconnecting the mass air flow sensor, in fact the light comes on but does not go into recovery. Wishing for? you turn off just from the map, and then the machine reads the air is sucked through the Map, for? ? one thing that I do not recommend if you are not the case of processing pressures in which the mass air flow sensor can? be arrived out-of-range reading as on mine, with the Maf on, I read 1150mg at 5000 rpm, with the Maf off I read 1320/1350mg, which allows me to have more? diesel without too much lower the lambda, and without letting it smoke.
The fact of the files until I can see what you do I can't give you real advice, if you want you can give me your **** and we feel even in private, but I think goes against the rules.
I all that I could tell you in great lines I told you, now it is up to you to apply it..:)
Acting only from the pedal, boost and limiters iq this machine goes down? very well if you don't want to complicate more? of life too much. You have to precisely lift the pedal, raise the limiters iq, the lower the lambda, to raise the torque limiter and the turbo and you're done. For the lambda write on ****** 'lambda to afr' and you're in the conversion table. In the map lambda on the BP we have maf (mg/aspirates) and rpm, you should do a log and see how much air do you aspire to tot laps, and from there decide how much you want to allow to inject. The Maf ? mg for? and the injection in mm3 and then you have to convert mm3 to mg by multiplying mm3 x 0,84. Going on the practical, we do this example. Let's say that at 4000 rpm with 1000mg/i have the lambda 1,09 which equates to an Afr of 15,96, so please be 1000/15,96= 62,65; these will be the mg to which the lambda limits that are about 75mm3 (75mm3x0,84=63mg). Then you do all the calculations with a log at hand, and, to the extent you want, for example, with 1000mg to 4000 rpm should have the lambda at 1.01 to be able to inject 80mm3. I hope you've understood everything.
break it off quietly, I have already? done 2000 km with the debbimetro detached....and the car is a wonder, for? not ? on all the cars that you can? disconnect, why? usually go in recoveri, or if it does not go in recoveri goes bad the same.
Typically on the car "modern" by unplugging the mass air flow sensor, the machine goes maluccio, are used, default parameters that "fat" a lot.
Maybe in your case this also helps with the map "thrust" that you probably use (or in this car, especially the logic ? different)
In some cases I have seen improvements (relative!) by disconnecting the mass air flow sensor : when ? broken or working badly, and it reads the wrong values, that bust all the carburation !
jacktheripper2
29-10-2013, 16:41
Typically on the car "modern" by unplugging the mass air flow sensor, the machine goes maluccio, are used, default parameters that "fat" a lot.
Maybe in your case this also helps with the map "thrust" that you probably use (or in this car, especially the logic ? different)
In some cases I have seen improvements (relative!) by disconnecting the mass air flow sensor : when ? broken or working badly, and it reads the wrong values, that bust all the carburation !
Exact when ? broken the law or to little air, or temperature, busted, to me, for example when you ? broken read 300 degrees when acceleravo and -10 when not acceleravo. Just attack the diagnosis and immediately see how it works. With elaborations for? boosts you should increase also the mass air flow sensor why? the original one has determined the range maximum, and for example, my it seems to me that it will not go over 1200/1250mg/s to 4000 rpm, 5000 rpm, I was about 1150mg with the maf active, now with the maf off I 1320/1350mg/s at 5000 rpm with 2 bar of turbo pressure. The best thing to be? would be to put the maf on the 2.4 210 hp and recalibrate the map linearization.
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