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Alfa159 q4
15-09-2013, 19:35
Hi, can I ask who has more? experience in the motorcycle sector, if the map ducati performance ? improved.
The bike ? a hyper 1100 with kit termignoni 2-into-1, bmc air filter and dp ecu. (ecu marelli)
Let's say that it goes down? strong enough, but surely anyone who has already? put your hand I know? if you still can? earn something good, or are we already? to the limit.
Thanks
legendaryslave
16-09-2013, 00:31
I made 2 of ducati, and a little more? exit out of all certainly is going to play with the advance and the benza, especially you can spread it much and stretches of pi? and remove any voids,
let's say that if you make the original map can't go much more? strong performance!!!!!!
do you want to try?
read the original ecu and email the file
:)
Alfa159 q4
16-09-2013, 08:27
Here is the file of the ecu original:
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?3673-Hypermotard-1100&p=58801#post58801
try it cos? then you tell me. :)
5308
Alfa159 q4
16-09-2013, 12:22
Have you seen the map ducati performance?
Apart from the advances, the increases in the fuel injection, especially at medium and high revs are more? hearty of your.
And they also touched on other maps.
You say that should the pi? strong with yours?
What do I have to tell you....
The next time eviter? answer.
It seems that they understand enough to do it alone.
Good job
Alfa159 q4
16-09-2013, 13:01
Mine was a simple question, which I ? coming spontaneously after you have compared your file with the one from the dp.
As I have already? that said I don't know of the bike, but if you allow the changes made to the s? see, and if a simple question for information purposes, where not st? assolutamnete despising your job, you get it, cos?...that said, good luck to you
I did not st? taking.
try it for?, then we'll talk eventualmente!!!!!!!!!
the file DP, you can't compare them with the ori.
Upstream are many different factors.
in waiting.
:)
motorsport
17-09-2013, 13:21
Quoto coma,give it a try and let us know your outcome!!
Alfa159 q4
22-09-2013, 08:17
Then, the map tested, the bike is good to see the real difference there I have to make a nice ride for?!
The only fault is still the engine light turned on...why??
I don't have a diagnosis suitable to check the error.
ok for the ride! :)
For the light ? really strange!!!
But maybe now that I think of it I have forgotten the management valve ( am)
The thing of course ? totally indifferent to the purpose of rendering, as the valve with the 2-in-1 non c'?.
Keep us up to date.
:)
flamingsn3Ak3r
06-02-2014, 14:45
Hello, listen, I don't know if you have already? but I advise you to do the reset (TPS etc) why? the ducati (I've had) are very sensitive to small changes.
I advise you also to balance the throttle and adjust the CO content. My ducati changes? and each new season, I was always these steps.
maximumwarp
20-02-2014, 13:57
let's say that if you make the original map can't go much more? strong performance!!!!!!
do you want to try?
read the original ecu and email the file
:)
First of all sorry if I'm intruding in the discussion. :)
I also I have a file Ducati Performance for a Monster S2R 800 that I bought used but not yet I am physically in your hands.
I have read somewhere that 'ste DP is not a great thing and that to get the map d? more satisfaction, but I'm not minimally capable.
Given that they should lend me a MPPS, just the avr? the programmer and the bike, if I were to post here the files of the reading of the original unit *coma how would you like to make me a modified file to give a few horses and a bit of a sprint in the pi? to the middle? The Monster has a Arrow exhaust approved but without the dbKiller, and I still don't know if it has a lambda probe, and other details, also I would like to replace the air filter with the original one more? open...
Thanks! :D
ducati83
20-02-2014, 23:38
the spy may be the crankshaft sensor...sometimes you have to do the learning ... have you used the rooster?indicates the procedure....
the spy may be the crankshaft sensor...sometimes you have to do the learning ... have you used the rooster?indicates the procedure....
Not on the Ducati, even with the new Melco or Accounts.
M999
marco_evolution
19-03-2014, 12:05
the crankshaft sensor could be but in this case, the light ? flashing and not fixed then I exclude.
I would like to be able to modify the original unit to make it the best of the DP to be able to compare and study where the DP consumes a d+.
I hope in your help!
Thanks and good job.
the crankshaft sensor could be but in this case, the light ? flashing and not fixed then I exclude.
Thanks m999, sar? happy to participate!
At the time I place the DP ECU, the one with the welcome message changed, you will have to? replace the original ecu on the bike, for ch? at the moment I have not yet procured the material to be able to connect to the "tour". I hope to do that this weekend, I mount the ecu to the original, hoping not to have to replace the lambda. I can read it easily without?
To early to study!!
M999
If re-mounting the ECU ori, you need to reconnect the lambda otherwise you mark error on the dashboard.
M999
magi1984
30-04-2014, 13:13
if the user wants to just read it can? read it even with the lambda disconnected
if the user wants to just read it can? read it even with the lambda disconnected
Yes, of course, but from what I understand he wants to read both of the control units on the bench, and then mount the original.
M999
In fact, it was something that I even thought of I!, Activity only read, without even moving the motion, I do not think it is necessary! At least I hope so.
Otherwise, if it should be necessary to connect the lambda, I can connect it only to the wiring and do not put it in the catalyst?
if the user wants to just read it can? read it even with the lambda disconnected
NO m999, at the moment I can't read at the desk, I still have not equipped :(! The ecu DP for termignoni 2-2 the I have already? read! Now to begin the study I have to read the original, and begin the comparisons.
Can I mount the original on the bike and do the reading without even start the bike?
Thanks
Yes, of course, but from what I understand he wants to read both of the control units on the bench, and then mount the original.
M999
Then what ? pi? easy: the mountains, the original unit, read and re-mounting the performances. As you suggested magi1984, even if you have the error signal to the dashboard, it does not matter nothing.
M999
maurof650
01-05-2014, 16:20
.....I can mount the original on the bike and do the reading without even start the bike?
Thanks
You can not read it as the ignition is turned off is not ? supplied in a complete way.
Let? just cos?, the horsemanship of the original and do a reading! I hope I can do it tomorrow!
Then what ? pi? easy: the mountains, the original unit, read and re-mounting the performances. As you suggested magi1984, even if you have the error signal to the dashboard, it does not matter nothing.
M999
Mauro, I will not start the engine, in order to avoid that gives me the error, but I would have activated definitely the picture to read the ECU.
You can not read it as the ignition is turned off is not ? supplied in a complete way.
maurof650
02-05-2014, 17:34
You have to read with the engine off (ignition on); never thought to read a map with engine access.......with the engine on, I would have doubts as well as on the bont? reading, without taking into account that for the reading it takes about 15 minutes.
Mauro perhaps you didn't read it right or am I that I expressed myself badly! Still have it? just like you described!
Thanks
You have to read with the engine off (ignition on); never thought to read a map with engine access.......with the engine on, I would have doubts as well as on the bont? reading, without taking into account that for the reading it takes about 15 minutes.
maurof650
02-05-2014, 17:57
Yes, I understood that you did........I only made a remark to tell you that you need to have sufficient charge to make the reading of the map on the bike. If you do not help you with a battery in parallel ? likely with the voltage drop, you are unable to complete the reading.
Thanks for the clarification! I also noticed I have a voltage drop, the last time I read the ecu, DP, in fact, I worked with a charger in parallel!
M999
I forgot, I also cut the file from 320 to 304 and fed to ecm titanium, but the difference of the map DP, ecm I have seen in the auto the driver, I loaded I hand the same driver used for the DP. And Is It Normal? or the file ? was read well?
Thanks
ducati83
07-05-2014, 15:10
if the file ori bed yourself, it is likely, or has different hardware,type ori hw010 and DP hw 103, as often happens, and that, therefore, titanium is not the driver, or the file golds that you have not read ? ori and therefore you need to manually search or see on the ecu to the n? hw to see if the titanium the have it or not....
in the case post it in the database and see if the file read ? good or not, but usually if they manually scroll through the file and see the various maps ? good....
These are the data of the two ECU in my possession: The original (hopefully) and the DP 2-2:
Fiat Hawdware Number: 22ABBABLH01
Marelli Hardware Number: IAW5AMHW610
Marelli Hardware Id: 00
Marelli Software Number:
Marelli Software Id: 0000
Fiat Identifacation Number:
Fiat Iso Code: 0000000000
Fiat Tester Number: DUC
Programming Date: 09/07/2007
Fiat Hawdware Number: 22ABBABSHA5
Marelli Hardware Number: IAW5AMHW610
Marelli Hardware Id: 00
Marelli Software Number:
Marelli Software Id: 0000
Fiat Identifacation Number:
Fiat Iso Code: 0000000000
Fiat Tester Number: DUC
Programming Date: 30/04/2008
The number HW you indicated where the revenue? on the label on the ecu?
Thanks
I posted in the database, the Original file (https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?6375-HYPERMOTARD-1100-anno-2007-ORIGINALE).
If you can give it a look to confirm the correctness of the reading, I would be grateful!
ducati83
07-05-2014, 16:25
then you see in the graphic marelli hardware number....in this case hw610 question of IAW5AM
anyway your file, open it with any driver hyper HW 610 of titanium....so you have to anyway to correct the CHK before writing the mod...
it seems to me ori your file...everything is ok....
Perfect, all clear. Even if ECMTitanium does not automatically load the driver to choose? one of that family!
I look forward to m999 that tell me how to start to compare the ori and the DP to study where and how to improve it before! Of course you're all welcome to lesson. :)
Thanks!
ducati83
07-05-2014, 16:56
well as in all petrol engines you may begin to study the advances and the map is the injection of the two maps....you will realize that the dp has very few changes compared to the ori, and especially all at the top, which in my humble opinion, make for a very little for those who use the bike every day and do not go on the track....
In that way I can start to compare them to? Do I open them both on ecm titanium and I look in the table of advances and maps of injection? Or advice to do it in a different way?
Sar? curious to be able to understand and compare what I've written about the differences to the higher of the DP.
Could not agree more with you on a different setting of the controller to use on a daily basis, in spite of the DP!
well as in all petrol engines you may begin to study the advances and the map is the injection of the two maps....you will realize that the dp has very few changes compared to the ori, and especially all at the top, which in my humble opinion, make for a very little for those who use the bike every day and do not go on the track....
m999 have you forsaken me?:p give Me some advice to begin the comparison between the two ECU?
Thanks and good job!
Open the file ori with a driver that is compatible as a model/engine, it should go. Begins to understand how and where are the address for the curve of the ignition and injection in 2D (ECM clearly indicates them) of file ori, and then do the same thing with the file DP and let's see what they pull out as differences.
M999
Hello m999, open the original file and select a generic driver,as I've suggested! I started to view in a tabular format, the Advance base map and Injection map based on both the ecu. There is a table with the x-axis Degrees (I believe the throttle body) and on the y-axis the engine Rpm.
Opening ECM Titanium with both files, the map ecu Hyper base as the original and the DP, as amended, the ECM I believe, that automatically has detected the differences between the two maps, why? I checked some of the entries on the driver. By clicking on these latest within in the grid and I see the differences, by clicking on the button "D", I will highlight the cells that are subject to change between maps.
The checkmarks on the driver were placed on the Injection correction secondary cylinder fuel Injection, base map, and the Injection correction f(T_AIR).
It is correct as a comparison? If yes, I would like to understand something more? on the variation between the two maps.
Always with ECM Titanium,
Maybe to clarify what is written, if it were possible, I could add a screenshot.
I look forward to your comparison.
Thanks
Open the file ori with a driver that is compatible as a model/engine, it should go. Begins to understand how and where are the address for the curve of the ignition and injection in 2D (ECM clearly indicates them) of file ori, and then do the same thing with the file DP and let's see what they pull out as differences.
M999
We leave nothing to chance or unknown: what driver did you open the files? We work on one thing at a time. I will start from the pi? simple: Injection Base Map.
M999
ducati83
15-05-2014, 23:10
go to you mail....then as if we can give you a hand to understand you....but as I have repeatedly said the maps main retouch are few and the results tagibili are mostly a best high fluidity? and the response of the engine...but certainly not like a diesel.....but anyway, the difference you can feel...
Perfect m999! It will list the drivers used:
For the map of the series, as described in the previous post, ecm titanium I have loaded the drivers automatically and I proceeded I select it by choosing Brand: Ducati, Model Hypermotard and as a driver, I used the first "DUC_6929".
Below the image of your choice:
For the map DP instead of Titanium has selected for me, the driver, by choosing the "DUC_961B", the image below:
With regard to the Injection Base Map from the first feedback I've noticed the differences between the two maps. The riesamino and spot-the-differences that I have found.
Thanks
We leave nothing to chance or unknown: what driver did you open the files? We work on one thing at a time. I will start from the pi? simple: Injection Base Map.
M999
maurof650
16-05-2014, 15:44
Do not post images in the clear; ? prohibited by regulation.
OPS, I apologize in advance if you do not ? can enter them! Unfortunately I can't edit the previous message!
If not I can post them cos? in clear , I can through a link?
I apologize again!
With the same drivers listed above, I opened the file, and as far as the Injection Base Map in the annex to the differences I found:
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Well, I would say that immediately highlights one thing: the area in which they have intervened to change the map. Leaving aside the values in s? the same, you'll notice that above the 19 degrees of opening of the throttle valve does not ? state changed anything. In your opinion, why? have worked in this way?
M999
marco_evolution
26-05-2014, 13:57
Hello m999, I have watched and covered the table of the base map injection and did some research to understand something more?, in an attempt to be able to answer your question.
I understood that the fuel injection system-ignition Marelli ? type “alfa/N”, in which the engine speed and the throttle position are used as main parameters to measure the quantity? drawn-in air; note the amount? air is known, measure the quantity? fuel in function of the desired strength. Other sensors in the system (sensor, motor, pressure
atmospheric and air temperature,engine oil temperature and electric trimmer for the adjustment of the CO) are used to correct the basic strategy, in particular conditions of
operation. The engine speed and the throttle angle also allow you to calculate the ignition advance is optimal for any condition of operation.
The reason why the DP to change the injection only in the range of 3-19?, could be due to the fact that after the 19 you are already? under optimum operating conditions?
I don't know give me another explanation for now!
Hope in your lighting.
Thanks
Well, I would say that immediately highlights one thing: the area in which they have intervened to change the map. Leaving aside the values in s? the same, you'll notice that above the 19 degrees of opening of the throttle valve does not ? state changed anything. In your opinion, why? have worked in this way?
M999
marco_evolution
28-05-2014, 16:04
congratulations for the search..however I would say that after that range you're going to gain weight too as gi? fat...
from the little that I understood, and that reng of use the bike has its empty ? lean then the dp you the system the most? can then as the engine is original with only exhaust and a filter ir? open if you launch on a test bench you can see fully where the engine is missing and you correct it
Looking at the table, you note that there are also differences in the negative between the two maps! According to you, where ? limited DP? The Cio? compared to the original, what can? be improved?
ducati83
29-05-2014, 15:13
see if I can have my say you should first of all enter in the concept of a naturally aspirated petrol, and then as well you will understand the increased performance s get aumetando as it happens in the engine turbo diesel and speech even more? different for turbo diesel engines.
so you'll see that in the dp there will be? a leaning in some points to increase the response of the engine and also the change of the advances ? made, always following this policy....trying to optimize the combustion to medium-low tender? to be magara to get fat then sprint,but not too much, to have more? extension....
of course ? to take into account that the dp is targeted for use on the track so as you will notice it will be? penalizing low....with good results at the top.you will also have you found that a bike with stock exhaust ? very prompt at the bottom thing that loses with an open drain....so my advice ? to try, within the limits permitted with fuel injection and advances in order to find a best configuration to all the schemes and then begin to understand the operation of the corrections, and move them to the extent permitted....doing other tests....testing on the field the differences and see if it improves or worsens the complex.....for? on the bike, often that you can't? speaking of worsening...the style guide, I think it influences a lot the development....and what for one is good for another may be couldn't be handled...
marco_evolution
29-05-2014, 19:35
C ? to say that must be kept under control also the egt..with injectors ori in these if you overdo it warm from the beast...
ducati83
29-05-2014, 20:58
hmm never had these problems...also why? already heat up in them, and if something goes wrong do you realize that after a while the pull on the neck and slow down, you always have the fans at the function....if liquid-cooled....if we speak of the two valves....well it takes a bit of ear....when high temperature to change the sound...and anyway to get to those ****lli you have to go out of the way more than to overdo it....
Dirdan, read and copy the workshop manual is of little use to map :)
It is interesting to understand what they have done: they have revised the map only in that area, why? simply the DP to the exhaust-like the original does not require the use of lambda and catalyst. Accordingly in that area of the map you must revise the calibration to adapt the operation of the injection and ignition of the new parameters. It is also interesting the fact that, thanks to the presence of the lambda probe, now using catalysts that are less restrictive than in the past. Here, then, is that it is the ori that the DP at the top are the same. On a test bench, in fact, the only difference is that the law ? a best feature of the engine to take the turns, something more? as power and midrange torque, but the maximum power essentially unchanged.
I want to clarify that the maps DP there are several different versions of the pi? performance ? the one for the 2-1 exhaust and cams that, indeed, d? something more? as the maximum power starting from mid-range to arrive at 3, to a maximum of 5 horses of maximum power in the most? depending on how ? was assembled and tuned the engine (without going to atoccare conducted, squish, etc.).
For another, as I have said more? times, go to "feeling" to map ? the via ir? wrong. You must have at least one reading of the parameters A/F with the parzializzati and then try on a test bench, otherwise it comes out. The sensations of having more? promptness? to take turns or more? "wickedness" does not always correspond to the actual increnmenti verifiable instrumentally.
M999
ducati83
30-05-2014, 14:32
I the setting for the tour map for a stock bike I can't explain it, because as we repeat a little all, the map on these engines do not give great power in the pi? but is equivalent to a point mass, the map on the tour, I see him superfluous and time-consuming....
certainly if you act in a mechanical way, then ? obvious and need to rely on a test bench.
For? test the bike with a diagnosis while you use it, I think, is the via ir? fast and less expensive for a map that gives a bit of performance in the pi? compared to the original with the adoption of an open drain and u sports air filter.
of course, they are opinions....
Agree with you, ducati83, I have not studied the speech test bench (I write while I work... in a hurry then!!), but as I said, serves first of all to have a data acquisition A/F with the parzializzati, otherwise you get nothing. Have a test bench in order to make a "rolled" serves to verify that ? worked at least decent. This with a map with the bike all stock. With an engine flushed, removed-finished-replaced, pistons and cams, the situation is different, and l? if you want to take advantage of the all-or f? the map on the bench with the parzializzati or you stay back!!
M999
marco_evolution
02-06-2014, 15:37
Agree with you, ducati83, I have not studied the speech test bench (I write while I work... in a hurry then!!), but as I said, serves first of all to have a data acquisition A/F with the parzializzati, otherwise you get nothing. Have a test bench in order to make a "rolled" serves to verify that ? worked at least decent. This with a map with the bike all stock. With an engine flushed, removed-finished-replaced, pistons and cams, the situation is different, and l? if you want to take advantage of the all-or f? the map on the bench with the parzializzati or you stay back!!
M999
ducati83
03-06-2014, 14:41
m999 would be an ideal partner for my workshop.
I quote his actions....of course I often refer to engine testastretta and desmoquattro....I can't find or not I get less results with the two valves during the mapping, in fact, I always prefer to do at least one flushing heads to have more torque at low to medium and raccoradare with small interventions in the map by touching advances and map injection...nothing else...
You are starting from the original, how would you have intervened?
Finally, for curiosity?, the map DP 2 in 1 ? adaptable to the exhaust 2-2?
Thanks and good work to you all.
Dirdan, read and copy the workshop manual is of little use to map :)
It is interesting to understand what they have done: they have revised the map only in that area, why? simply the DP to the exhaust-like the original does not require the use of lambda and catalyst. Accordingly in that area of the map you must revise the calibration to adapt the operation of the injection and ignition of the new parameters. It is also interesting the fact that, thanks to the presence of the lambda probe, now using catalysts that are less restrictive than in the past. Here, then, is that it is the ori that the DP at the top are the same. On a test bench, in fact, the only difference is that the law ? a best feature of the engine to take the turns, something more? as power and midrange torque, but the maximum power essentially unchanged.
I want to clarify that the maps DP there are several different versions of the pi? performance ? the one for the 2-1 exhaust and cams that, indeed, d? something more? as the maximum power starting from mid-range to arrive at 3, to a maximum of 5 horses of maximum power in the most? depending on how ? was assembled and tuned the engine (without going to atoccare conducted, squish, etc.).
For another, as I have said more? times, go to "feeling" to map ? the via ir? wrong. You must have at least one reading of the parameters A/F with the parzializzati and then try on a test bench, otherwise it comes out. The sensations of having more? promptness? to take turns or more? "wickedness" does not always correspond to the actual increnmenti verifiable instrumentally.
M999
Today the port to make a roll to the bike... maybe with the parzializzati hand I can help d+!
Thanks
Then? The rolled and the values of A/F? From those you can? begin to understand something...
M999
m999 I have the file dlf given to me by the tour dynojet, I am trying to open them to read something!
Can I publish them, maybe give it an eye to you?
Thanks
Post, we are going to give him a glimpse of us.
M999
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I would be grateful if you could tell me if you read them and with what.
Thanks
There I was able to see the files on the desk with the software WINPEP7, downloaded from the website of the dynojet. Now comes the fun part... to understand something :)
m999 you managed to give a look to the files of the tour?
Thanks
Here I am, forgive me, but st? working a lot and I have little time to dedicate myself to the chiptuning among fans.
You, or gave you a look and is included in full in the map-type Ducati Performance. You are the engine that runs regularly, I don't see the particular height differences in the interpretation of the parameters.
M999
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