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Blackhawk
12-09-2013, 19:48
Hello everyone, I was wondering if someone had done experiments with other types of injectors, or replacing the needle and nozzle on the injectors mounted in series on the 1.9 140-150hp.
Starting from the fact that the 140cv mounting 0445 110 111 and the 150hp i 0445 110 243 or 391, what you could do to get a injector very fast?
tidus1985
12-09-2013, 23:36
I had done on the fiesta 1.6 tdci as I said on my post, of course we talk about different courses between a 1.6 and a 1.9 then surely increasing the flow rate of the injectors must have? increase the Rail otherwise I don't know if the spray sara correctly.the same pressure, our ECU can handle without any particular modification, the piezoelectric injectors of the new multijet 2 1.6 and 2.0?
Better explained....what you should improve in this engine??the needle ? an integral part of the pulverizer...
to get a nice p? of power in ir? you need to make a good map without replacing anything
Blackhawk
13-09-2013, 11:42
What should I improve? well I should "only" getting to 250cv real, I know the com'? did an injector, I have already? removed someone... are you sure that you just need a map to get 250cv? Have you tried to calculate the time of injection for a deal? of 110mm3 with the injectors original?
mariodarkblue
13-09-2013, 12:39
What should I improve? well I should "only" getting to 250cv real, I know the com'? did an injector, I have already? removed someone... are you sure that you just need a map to get 250cv? Have you tried to calculate the time of injection for a deal? of 110mm3 with the injectors original?
hello...so..I believe that both the pump and the injectors of the mjet150hp are capable of doing the 250cv real...the pump as written takes 1,800 bar, and I also think the injectors.
You can say that about jtd115, with vnt25 intercooler and exhaust, pump and injectors original, we tested 193cv (egt on 900gradi).
Now, we hybridized the pump ori (post and oversized valves and injectors ori we are like a s3 from 260cv manual transmission.
The last step in the course relates to the mounting of the injectors 120mjet...we are testing;)
For the 150 hp, that you ask, I think they are ir? enough his injectors and pump, maybe holding it up to 1,800 bar, and time to 120mm3.
For the extra, I don't think exist injectors "compatible", but be made a sort of increase in the percentage.
msport (exil77grande)
13-09-2013, 12:40
I rolled 234cv on a 147 1.9 mjet 140cv with the exhaust ******,intercoller is increased,the turbine increased and, of course, the mapping,in the following, the owner has also done the pump and injectors, and we have adjusted the map,and we have not rolled, but the car pushed a lot more strong, and I'm sure that it has reached something like 260cv.
Blackhawk
13-09-2013, 14:32
Guys, I started this thread but I do not want to translate it in a discussion of who has more? horses, why? if you smontaste your engines and put them on a brake motor, you will see that your horses are much less.
I say this from experience, since I have participated to the test in a testing room.
The 1.9 mjet 16v has well-known problems of the pistons, as they are at the limit with a pressure in the chamber next to the 200 bar related. Depends very much on the map, but the maps made not by ing. bosch motorsport, this results in about 200-210cv. The speech what do I do ? to have a standard? that is closer to the engine series. I guarantee you that an engine with 260cv on the dynamometer, then not real but gi? less, doesn't it ? able to take even 20 minutes to the highway with the gas pedal to the floor. 20 minutes I said think about it to those who are... from this it follows that if the engine in its original configuration ? born to working with injection times of about 700us, and we bring them over 1200us, I can not? to be reliable, we will also need to work with down payments that are too high, raising the CFP in the rooms, past the 200 bar pressure. From this comes the need to have injectors that can inject high quantities? of diesel fuel in the shortest time posiibile..
Blackhawk
13-09-2013, 14:59
I can not download attachments, can't send me something to ****?
msport (exil77grande)
13-09-2013, 15:14
I can not download attachments, can't send me something to ****?
read the rules, because the next time you banno.
msport (exil77grande)
13-09-2013, 15:14
hello...
what an honor?
Blackhawk
13-09-2013, 15:48
I rolled 234cv on a 147 1.9 mjet 140cv with the exhaust ******,intercoller is increased,the turbine increased and, of course, the mapping,in the following, the owner has also done the pump and injectors, and we have adjusted the map,and we have not rolled, but the car pushed a lot more strong, and I'm sure that it has reached something like 260cv.
I'm sorry.. that turbine have been used for this configuration?
what an honor?
hello msport.....unfortunately, I had several problems which have prevented me from frenquentare the forum as I wanted to.....
now for? ? everything is in place...
sorry for all the ot....
msport (exil77grande)
13-09-2013, 18:00
I'm sorry.. that turbine have been used for this configuration?
derivation of the bmw 330.
derivation of the bmw 330.
should be a garrett gt2256v if I'm not mistaken...
tidus1985
13-09-2013, 21:10
similar to the one that m a shame, the 2.4 jtdm from 175cv
similar to the one that m a shame, the 2.4 jtdm from 175cv
always avoiding to say nonsense...if I remember correctly the turbine golds of the car you mentioned should be a gt2052v...
change the dimensions of the impellers with the trim and of course, a different ratio of A/r...as well as different "attacks" and/or flanges which dir you want....
Guys, I started this thread but I do not want to translate it in a discussion of who has more? horses, why? if you smontaste your engines and put them on a brake motor, you will see that your horses are much less.
I say this from experience, since I have participated to the test in a testing room.
tidus1985
14-09-2013, 01:09
but speaking of injectors "standard" on the various engines, we have a limit of injection? I give you an example, I on the 120 hp with inj ori injection approximately 100mm3 of diesel fuel to a rail pressure maximum 1700bar and according to my calculation to inject 100 mm3 of fuel to 1600 bar my injector between the time of opening the needle, charging capacitors and all employs nearly 1200 us, this could be a limit, for example, for an injector of a jtdm from 120 hp? I did not realize, and I did not realize how much can go with the times, although I have seen that this pressure more than 100 mm3 of fuel are deleterious and harm performance if you do not smoke
tidus1985
14-09-2013, 01:12
always avoiding to say nonsense...if I remember correctly the turbine golds of the car you mentioned should be a gt2052v...
change the dimensions of the impellers with the trim and of course, a different ratio of A/r...as well as different "attacks" and/or flanges which dir you want....
it seems to me that the gt2056 is mounted from the 210 hp and the gt2256 version ovbviamente for the fiat engine is mounted on the 175cv, but I have to look good on these cars some of the mountain the old td2306 that seems to be doing its job very well, controlled by a valve aloop closed positioned as a variable geometry, but I don't know if it is a variable or fixed, the turbine of the old 2.4 136cv unijet
but speaking of injectors, "standard" on the various engines, we have a limit of injection? I give you an example, I on the 120 hp with inj injection ori about 100mm3 of diesel fuel to a rail pressure maximum 1700bar and according to my calculation to inject 100 mm3 of diesel to 1600 bar my injector between the time of opening the needle, charge capacitors and all employs nearly 1200 us, this could be a limit, for example, for an injector of a jtdm from 120 hp? I did not realize, and I did not realize how much can go with the times, although I have seen that this pressure more than 100 mm3 of diesel fuel are deleterious and damage performance if not fumodiciamo that the injectors 120cv can also give 115-120mm3 of diesel ori....
the real limit st? in the times that you have to use to inject that amount?....
the cio? with 1200us beginning to inject the es with 19-20 degrees of advance at 4000rpm, inevitably, you're going to inject with a lot of delay with respect to the pms, which translated, means so much warmth and so much smoke...
now to the es for a vw tdi, the limit of the duration of injection after tdc, beyond which inject even diesel fuel to create the unpleasant drawbacks mentioned above and 10? after the pms....
for a mjet I believe that such a limit is given a p? tests and calculations made is around 12? after the pms...
tidus1985
14-09-2013, 19:03
then I could draw up a table to post here sol forum is for the injectors of the 120 and the 150 original with the max injection time can be set from ori, speaking always with advances stock
I can not understand what you mean by "max time can be set from ori"....
ah, maybe now there are you say the maximum injection time editable without moddare break point and anything else??
tidus1985
14-09-2013, 19:17
I mean, the maximum time can be set without changing the anticiopi that can be set without going over pms with original injectors
tidus1985
14-09-2013, 19:20
place this worksheet in exel, ? in jpg format, for instance, on my map,
these are my values, I created a spreadsheet based on the number diri, calculating on the basis of the map rail iltempo opening which I require basic spins and diesel fuel required, then I turned the us in degrees for each step of turns, and putting the advances that I had calculated here on the last table on the right, the duration of the injections post pms, I for example I made to finish the latest up to 2000 rpm to accelerate the turbine without going to work on an overboost, this meant munro
unfortunately, I was demoted for not having attended the forum as I wanted and for the moment the only thing I can do in the forum ? send and read the post...I can not see attachments nor anything else...
tidus1985
14-09-2013, 19:32
Sorry for the rules of the forum I can only post in the forum when you have reached the.share the show after the place for written
tidus1985
14-09-2013, 21:11
the times - us rpm advances-degrees rail - bar time * rpm times the rpm >degrees inj post pms - degrees
100mm3 rpm 100mm3 100mm3 100mm3 100mm3 100mm3
3000 250 1,01 300 3000 4,504504505 3,494504505
3000 500 1,99 350 3000 9,009009009 7,019009009
3000 750 4,01 450 2726 12,27927928 8,269279279
3000 1000 6 700 2200 13,25301205 7,253012048
3000 1250 6 877 1676 12,60150376 6,601503759
3000 1500 6 1006 1600 14,41441441 8,414414414
1755 1750 5,23 1113 1465 15,42105263 10,19105263
1520 2000 6,14 1198 1395 16,80722892 10,66722892
1395 2250 8,53 1284 1330 17,97297297 9,442972973
1330 2500 11,37 1391 1280 19,10447761 7,734477612
1265 2750 12,82 1498 1225 20,41666667 7,596666667
1225 3000 14,55 1605 1188 21,6 7,05
1188 3250 15,63 1712 1150 22,54901961 6,919019608
1110 3500 16,78 1712 1150 24,46808511 7,688085106
1110 4000 20,15 1712 1150 27,38095238 7,230952381
1110 4500 24,28 171 2 1150 31,08108108 6,801081081
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tidus1985
14-09-2013, 21:13
and formatting that, however, the tables are divided into "time - us" --- "spins" --- "advances-degree" --- "rail - bar" ---"times * rpm" ---"times rpm >degrees" --- "inj post pms - degree"
the times - us rpm advances-degrees rail - bar time * rpm times the rpm >degrees inj post pms - degrees
100mm3 rpm 100mm3 100mm3 100mm3 100mm3 100mm3
3000 250 1,01 300 3000 4,504504505 3,494504505
3000 500 1,99 350 3000 9,009009009 7,019009009
3000 750 4,01 450 2726 12,27927928 8,269279279
3000 1000 6 700 2200 13,25301205 7,253012048
3000 1250 6 877 1676 12,60150376 6,601503759
3000 1500 6 1006 1600 14,41441441 8,414414414
1755 1750 5,23 1113 1465 15,42105263 10,19105263
1520 2000 6,14 1198 1395 16,80722892 10,66722892
1395 2250 8,53 1284 1330 17,97297297 9,442972973
1330 2500 11,37 1391 1280 19,10447761 7,734477612
1265 2750 12,82 1498 1225 20,41666667 7,596666667
1225 3000 14,55 1605 1188 21,6 7,05
1188 3250 15,63 1712 1150 22,54901961 6,919019608
1110 3500 16,78 1712 1150 24,46808511 7,688085106
1110 4000 20,15 1712 1150 27,38095238 7,230952381
1110 4500 24,28 171 2 1150 31,08108108 6,801081081
1110
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my mom to me, you are crossing the eyes to understand something tidus.....
it would be much more simple if, for example, take into account and extract the calculation times-degrees on the column where you have the values in microseconds higher for es 3500 rpm rather than at 4000rpm...
Blackhawk
15-09-2013, 20:29
according to me what makes a truly innafidabile any engine more than the pme in the combustion chamber, which actually has its effects on the crank when very high, according to me, I repeat, are the egt derived from the times of 1200 us...all diesel fuel that burns outside of the barrel....even with 1800 bar rail pressure is not v? send a harlots the spray injection with the corresponding combustion process on which the engineers have spit blood to get it in a certain way... also with the times inj very long, you create a strong discrepancy between the press rail objective(cio? what should be)and press the rail and actual(cio? the one that actually the hpcr pump puts out) to the downside for the latter, also of 200 and more bars...said this to? I would like to say that inject massive amounts of oil with the relative quantity of air in the cylinder in a short time f? however, raising the pme...for? them should be taken, for example, by calculating how much the pme "digests" the 1.9 mjet twinturbo maybe even pumped a p? more to have a reference to know where we can? push...last but not least, I would like to note that if you mount the injectors are more big then you have to calculate if the factory ori c'? the f? feeding them properly otherwise ? all wasted effort....
You quoto munro in the first part, but when you refer to the delta 1.9 twinturbo not you can absolutely make a comparison..
Did you know that the pistons mounts? They are great pistons already? born to work on the edge of the 200-bar in the room of the series, have walls pi? thick and also the plug has a diameter of 30 mm, against 26 of the 1.9 120 to 140-150hp. Check the codes on catalogs, federal, and you will see for yourself. Once it is known that pi? or less the limit with the injectors of the series of the 1.9 150 hp and 120mm3 to 1730bar of rail, it can be deduced that an injector with a higher flow rate will be? always better, even if you do not decide to go to bring the cos? high.
however, I have seen mjet cone of the plug 26 and the walls less thick twinturbo put out between 220 and 250cv...
if you make two calculations, we are abundantly above 200 bars of the pme peak....
however, these unit? have percorennze chilomentriche worthy of note in relation to the cavalry who download....
then the speech that you do that the injector is large ? better when you want to give the diesel as god commands the strquoto in full, but I repeat, we need to see if the plant owers of the car, feed it properly, the new flow request from the injectors, the big...
I repeat that it is only by raising a p? most of the due to the timing in the map you have cali also notevolio between press rail objective and effective clear sign that with the injector open for longer than the pump does not send the right quantity? of diesel fuel to give the right pressure....that's why it's preferable to install a pump of low pressure and high pressure more big....
Blackhawk
15-09-2013, 21:54
however, I have seen mjet cone of the plug 26 and the walls less thick twinturbo put out between 220 and 250cv...
if you make two calculations, we are abundantly above 200 bars of the pme peak....
however, these unit? have percorennze chilomentriche worthy of note in relation to the cavalry who download....
then the speech that you do that the injector is large ? better when you want to give the diesel as god commands the strquoto in full, but I repeat, we need to see if the plant owers of the car, feed it properly, the new flow request from the injectors, the big...
I repeat that it is only by raising a p? most of the due to the timing in the map you have cali also notevolio between press rail objective and effective clear sign that with the injector open for longer than the pump does not send the right quantity? of diesel fuel to give the right pressure....that's why it's preferable to install a pump of low pressure and high pressure more big....
I agree that you can get to these cavalry, a p? less on the duration.. do Not confuse the pme with the pmax..
The pmax "you can't? calculate", is measured in the room with the false glow plugs, or even better with cell planted on the pistons.
I've worked with, providing them with the exhaust manifolds in stainless steel of our production, with a well-known company that prepares diesel competition for 24h, makes engines, the 2.4 jtdm 300 hp and yet, as pmax does not exceed 190 bar.
Has anyone fitted the injectors of the brera 2.4 210 hp?
I've had them mounted on my 156 2.4 mjtd 175cv...
the difference ? little..
Blackhawk
15-09-2013, 22:28
You had the 308? Currently talking about the fiat group are almost the most? fast
SandroMarciano
16-09-2013, 10:24
to clarify: 156 2.4 jtd 136cv mounts geo fixed,
156 2.4 140 (mounting a VNT if I remember correctly)
156 2.4 150 GT2256V
156 2.4 175 GT2256V with trim more
159 2.0 170 GTB1549V
159 2.4 200 KKK
159 2.4 210 GTB2056V
closed OT
on the mjet 16v there should mount the injectors of both the delta twin turbo, both those of the 147 DC of 2.0.
Going in order of size from the pi? great to the pi? small.
*munro, playing with injections to the secondary you can make the last injection even more? 12? without too many problems.
tidus1985
16-09-2013, 10:55
From what I know and from the codes and the engine of the DC ? the same as the 150, so it has the same time inj then the same injectors
tidus1985
16-09-2013, 10:56
The 136 mounts it seems to me the td2306 that one of the few fixed geometry with the actuator vertical and is often used for processing on 1.9 since? bands management having the actuator in a closed loop,
Blackhawk
16-09-2013, 11:25
From what I know and from the codes and the engine of the DC ? the same as the 150, so it has the same time inj then the same injectors
Wrong, the injectors 150hp are the 243 or 391, while those of the 170 DC are the 341, watched the t-inj, those ducati's are much more? fast and the DC also fits the pump plus the CP1H R70. I have to check those of the delta that times have, the only problem ? that are piezoelettrci, I don't know if you can mount on the 140cv.
to clarify: 156 2.4 jtd 136cv mounts geo fixed,
156 2.4 140 (mounting a VNT if I remember correctly)
156 2.4 150 GT2256V
156 2.4 175 GT2256V with trim more
159 2.0 170 GTB1549V
159 2.4 200 KKK
159 2.4 210 GTB2056V
closed OT
on the mjet 16v there should mount the injectors of both the delta twin turbo, both those of the 147 DC of 2.0.
Going in order of size from the pi? great to the pi? small.
*munro, playing with injections to the secondary you can make the last injection even more? 12? without too many problems.
Hello Sandro just to clarify the 2.4 200cv uses a borg warner BV50 and not the kkk....
while the 2.4 140cv mounts a gt22vnt...
I know that playing with the injections it has a duration of much more than the 12? but, I refer to this value as the maximum duration in the corner that can and ? much higher, but as a limit(with respect to tdc), beyond which the car smokes and you have a lot of heat so they are 12? postponement of the event(always in relation to tdc), beyond which it is not expedient to go....
then for not "breaking" this parameter there are a p? of streets,see rail pressure is very high,advances,etc...but when you want to inject massive doses of diesel fuel in a short time, the only possible way are the injectors big...
tidus1985
16-09-2013, 15:26
Then you could mount it on JTDM 8v 120 bhp, I suppose, I don't know if they can be used even on the old 115hp edc15 if the ECU pilot pump and injectors
SandroMarciano
16-09-2013, 15:57
Then you could mount it on JTDM 8v 120 bhp, I suppose, I don't know if they can be used even on the old 115hp edc15 if the ECU pilot pump and injectors
on the 8v 115 mountain injectors 120, but both do not fit the injectors, 16V as pi? long, does not fit physically, then the change would make little sense given that the time of injection would be in favour of a very short...
Blackhawk
17-09-2013, 10:28
does anyone know if the injectors of the brera the 308 have the poverizzatore 6 or 7 holes?
Are also mounted on the 2.0 jtdm new.
jacktheripper2
22-10-2013, 16:27
does anyone know if the injectors of the brera the 308 have the poverizzatore 6 or 7 holes?
Are also mounted on the 2.0 jtdm new.
Hello Blackhawk, are you by any chance Eugenio?
However, coming back to the injectors, and the delta should mount the same injectors, 2.4 210 hp as the injection times are the same, the Ducati Corse has injection timing even more? the courts, instead, especially if you tween time to 120mm3 or gi? of them.
I horsemanship injectors 210cv/ 190 hp and with 1180us and 29 degrees of advance about I rolled 262 hp and 540nm, with 1280us and always 29 degrees, I rolled 267cv and 550nm. With the map from 267cv the fumosit? ? low and I have pressure of 2.3/2.4 peak and 2 to the limiter. Now prover? a new map with less advance map and advance climbing up to 5000 with advance of 30 degrees to the 5000. However, with the original pump 150 hp I've noticed that keep 120mm3 injection up to 5000 rpm, is not to be cos? well why? the rail pressure if required to 1720bar does not remain constant, and with 120mm3 held only 1680 bar, so I opted to lower the main injection, but keep the times a p? pi? long and seems to go better and I can hold 1720 bar. On the tour I had 115mm3 of the main injection and the time interpolated to 120mm3. In my opinion ? better to keep less injection above (maximum 110mm3) but to have the whole map scaled to 120mm3, so give 120mm3 up to tot laps and then get off of the main injection to be able to raise a p? pi? the rail.
Excellent observation, in effect, give a little less quantity? and increase the p-rail, go to a minimum to recover, otherwise you will need to increase your high pressure pump for the flow rate to the higher, but also to work a bit more in reliability, however, excellent results 267 hp congratulations
msport (exil77grande)
22-10-2013, 20:08
Hello Blackhawk, are you by any chance Eugenio?
However, coming back to the injectors, and the delta should mount the same injectors, 2.4 210 hp as the injection times are the same, the Ducati Corse has injection timing even more? the courts, instead, especially if you tween time to 120mm3 or gi? of them.
I horsemanship injectors 210cv/ 190 hp and with 1180us and 29 degrees of advance about I rolled 262 hp and 540nm, with 1280us and always 29 degrees, I rolled 267cv and 550nm. With the map from 267cv the fumosit? ? low and I have pressure of 2.3/2.4 peak and 2 to the limiter. Now prover? a new map with less advance map and advance climbing up to 5000 with advance of 30 degrees to the 5000. However, with the original pump 150 hp I've noticed that keep 120mm3 injection up to 5000 rpm, is not to be cos? well why? the rail pressure if required to 1720bar does not remain constant, and with 120mm3 held only 1680 bar, so I opted to lower the main injection, but keep the times a p? pi? long and seems to go better and I can hold 1720 bar. On the tour I had 115mm3 of the main injection and the time interpolated to 120mm3. In my opinion ? better to keep less injection above (maximum 110mm3) but to have the whole map scaled to 120mm3, so give 120mm3 up to tot laps and then get off of the main injection to be able to raise a p? pi? the rail.
that machine we speak and with what modifications?
jacktheripper2
22-10-2013, 21:00
that machine we speak and with what modifications?
msport (exil77grande)
22-10-2013, 22:12
very good result,I've done online, in an old punto jtd engine with 159 with the same changes that must sound to short,,the last time with the turbine,pump, and injectors has done something more than 250cv with 2.1 bar peak and 1.8-1.9 bar constant,post the video.
jacktheripper2
23-10-2013, 00:25
very good result,I've done online, in an old punto jtd engine with 159 with the same changes that must sound to short,,the last time with the turbine,pump, and injectors has done something more than 250cv with 2.1 bar peak and 1.8-1.9 bar constant,post the video.
Do not smoke too much in fact
mariodarkblue
23-10-2013, 11:41
jacktheripper2
23-10-2013, 17:40
I came up to 0.6 lambda but now I got a p? to preserve the clutch and flywheel. I have also used other tricks to make it more? responsive why? with the map informed c'? that delay which the ecu to read 100% throttle, and then in gear it loses a p? compared to the map deceived.
as you advance jack if you have to give me a tip for a gp130 the original, what would you say? with 100mm3 would you give 2 degrees to all the laps, or after the 4000rpm the lasceresti stock?
jacktheripper2
19-05-2014, 19:36
as you advance jack if you have to give me a tip for a gp130 the original, what would you say? with 100mm3 would you give 2 degrees to all the laps, or after the 4000rpm the lasceresti stock?
On a gp 1.9 with stock turbo I wouldn't give never 100mm3, or at least not at 4000 rpm. Too fragile turbo but especially collectors. Sar? was lame, even to me but one that I did with 90mm3,1700 bar, 0.1 in most of the turbo and lambda 1 (it was 90mm3 up to 4600 rpm approximately) in 3 days has cracked manifolds. Count that with the exhaust tip on the bottom limiter left the patches on the road.
Anyway back to the question with 100mm3 I would give more? 2 degrees, I would put 22.5/23 degrees at 4000 and 26.5/27 to 4500 if you want to keep that shot up to 4500, and more.
Consider that with 95mm3, turbo, plus 1.7/1.8 4000 I made 206 hp rolled on a gp 1.9.
My advice ? to give 90mm3 with stock turbo and 0.1 in most,lambda 1.05 and 1.1 after the 4000. Better to get it cut in the top for safety. That's what I've done so? has 86mm3 it seems to me to 4000 rpm and are on the 185 hp in theory.
but with the fap is not advised to never go under 1200 in the map? it seems to me that sandromarciano wrote there? some time ago, correct me if I'm wrong
jacktheripper2
26-05-2014, 18:40
I remember he told 1.13 in fact, I put it cos? and I'm not having any problem of more frequent regenerations
about you have problems with the map informed I believe that the problems are due to torque limiters individual that I found on the damos edc16c39....there are both the lim torque, in seconds, that the single ones..on the damos of the quaver in my possession, for example, I found one set at 320nm...while the function of time and without 50 nm according to....
jacktheripper2
27-05-2014, 00:31
The second that you said I think that is the bit corresponding to the increase in torque per second. For? I will say that I have not touched and still I have no problems reattivit? with the map informed. The other limiter I don't know what you mean but I don't think it is necessary. There are also a couple of bits at the 500-510nm but they are useless and alzandoli to me ? went to the error asr-esp-abs.
The limiters diesel lift up to 100mm3 are 2 or 3 depending on the file, to go beyond, there are other 2 or 3, depends on how many were in the first file. To go beyond 110mm3 ce n'? another. In total, there are 6.
The only map that I never understood ? the first of the torque limiter to 30mm3 who is appointed as a limiter iq.
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