turbine 500 abarth 1.4 turbo on the 1.3 multijet

[dariuccio]

hi to all,
I begin this discussion, why? a wrong purchase ? coming off a crazy idea!
According to you ? feasible to mount the turbo scorpion duly changed on my running multijet?
but... for now I'm turning a nut exhaust multijet to stay in the core assy 500;
finally I thought to hybridize the cool part with the impeller and spiral suction of the bravo 1.9 105hp.
do you think it might work?
I accept suggestions and criticisms provided? construction

[msport (exil77grande)]

as to the solitop you ask for info, but not if the damage,1.3 mjet cosaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

[dariuccio]

am I wrong or are you surprised!!!
by measuring with the gauge impellers discharge there are approximately 2mm of difference and a blading there more dense;
this means, in theory, have a turbo lag from fear, but I am confident that by mounting an impeller suction increased
also turning relatively more floor disturbs the original move even more air to the tiny fan that mounts series
the cute multijet.
I'm also patenting a new type of variable geometry

[legendaryslave]

am I wrong or are you surprised!!!
by measuring with the gauge impellers discharge there are approximately 2mm of difference and a blading there more dense;
this means, in theory, have a turbo lag from fear, but I am confident that by mounting an impeller suction increased
also turning relatively more floor disturbs the original move even more air to the tiny fan that mounts series
the cute multijet.
I'm also patenting a new type of variable geometry

I don't understand well what you're doing if you put some initials ? easier for us to understand

[dariuccio]

Do you mean that you have not understood that the turbine'm editing?
It is the turbine that mounts in the origin of the 500 abarth and ? marked fpt, ? mounted on ball bearings and has the same cooling liquid.
I can't write abbreviations why? the crowd is ? from turner.
if I am not against regulation, I could post some pictures

[MultiBravo]

Bearings, not bushings?

The variable geometry?

[msport (exil77grande)]

I am not surprised for nothing I just wanted to say to specify which 1.3 mjet would you do and how many hp has the machine mah........

[dariuccio]

the turbine ? a fixed geometry bearings, but on the 500 works with two states of an overboost 1.4 and 1.8 bar (if I remember correctly)
and I would like to mount it on my opel corsa (gi? written above) 70cv.

[SandroMarciano]

the turbine ? a fixed geometry bearings, but on the 500 works with two states of an overboost 1.4 and 1.8 bar (if I remember correctly)
and I would like to mount it on my opel corsa (gi? written above) 70cv.

basically, the turbines that fit the diesel tend to go in a lot of pressure before, those of a petrol? withstand higher pressures to rev more? high, I monterei another turbine, but this is up to you to decide...
The problem is that without doubt have you ? that if you exceed a pressure of 1.5 bar then you will have recovery, if you are looking for on the forum c'? a doscussione in which he speaks.

[dariuccio]

hi sandro, thanks for your answer.
I fully agree with you, however, at how many rpm should be in pressure a turbo also depends on other elements ?
for this reason I decided to use the nut to drain the original multijet, if you see the nut of the 500 ? as great as
a abbisso; it should be under pressure to at least 2500rpm! The fact of the recovery, I knew that already and I wanted to find na solution to delete it.
I believe that you don't mind tell you that the turbine there monteresti, I would very much like to.
thanks for the time

[dariuccio]

hey guys, I mounted the turbine and it was just what I thought.
at first I mounted with the impeller and the spiral suction good but I had problems with the impeller, why? "frizionava on the spindle
(it was a problem turning the bushing created was a few tenths too big) and then I decided to mount it with the impeller and spiral
intake of 500 and nut drain my original valve westgate deleted, and pressure operated valve pop off.
results (unexpected): the crowd goes into pressure already? at 2000rpm the engine rooms ? a beauty and still I have not done na map dedicated,
to 3000rpm keeps the gi? 1.3 bar and at 4000rpm holds 1.6 bar.
they are really surprised

the guys thought, and if there montassi injectors lancia lybra 115hp and a pair of camshafts redressed could reach the 130hp?
of course, with a map made with the controcazzi!
I'm waiting for opinions and advice

[s.casasco]

ciao.scusa if I'm intruding,but the ihi turbine mounted on the 500 abarth is on bushings and nn on the pads !!!

[admin]

hey guys, I mounted the turbine and it was just what I thought.
at first I mounted with the impeller and the spiral suction good but I had problems with the impeller, why? "frizionava on the spindle
(it was a problem turning the bushing created was a few tenths too big) and then I decided to mount it with the impeller and spiral
intake of 500 and nut drain my original valve westgate deleted, and pressure operated valve pop off.
results (unexpected): the crowd goes into pressure already? at 2000rpm the engine rooms ? a beauty and still I have not done na map dedicated,
to 3000rpm keeps the gi? 1.3 bar and at 4000rpm holds 1.6 bar.
they are really surprised

Do all these changes and then leave the nut exhaust
the original machined and a job done wrong, then I don't understand
you've deleted the valve westgate and used the pop off to adjust the pressure?
It was not enough to put on modified collector with the turbine of the mito 1.6 appropriately
changed?

[dariuccio]

for what reason ? a job done poorly
the performance, if not improved 100% I guarantee you that there is lacking a little. moreover, the work ? managed really well
and the breakfast excellent.
the valve pop off (which I still don't ? arrived) on diesel has the same principle of westgate with the difference that deflects the exhaust gases and the other the compressed air, but the juice does not change the fact that the turbine will be running? always strong. the turbine of the 500 I bought for the error of those who me the sent and honestly I could not
spend 2-300 euros or those that are for another turbine then, when I had a new still wrapped.
finally ? a challenge that I proposed to you, and are proud to have won!
but now could you tell me what do you think of affiancargli injectors lancia lybra and camshafts.
there arriaviamo at 130 horses???

[admin]

(the valve pop off (which I still don't ? arrived) on diesel has the same principle of westgate with the difference that deflects the exhaust gases and the other the compressed air, but the juice does not change the fact that the turbine will be running? always )

Perhaps you have confused ideas on the operation of the valve, pop off, or you're explaining evil

[dariuccio]

no ideas-I have a very clear, let me explain better:
on the gasoline pop off you go to open when you release the gas pedal and you have a sudden increase and
abrupt pressure with risk of damage (water hammer), especially for the butterfly valve.
but if I apply it to a diesel and the taro for example 1.5 bar reached this pressure, she opens up and then you
close; now try to imagine this movement several times per second, what? the result?
you doing the open and close continually keeps the pressure constant at the value decided by me.
theoretically it should work

also,sorry to post another message, but I hadn't read before,
I have not written the turbine will be running? always but I have written the turbine will be running? always strong
in the sense that even when you open the valve to pop off and download the pressure outside the turbine is not rallenter? his
rotation as is the case with the westgate and this should also mean less turbo lag

[admin]

no ideas-I have a very clear, let me explain better:
on the gasoline pop off you go to open when you release the gas pedal and you have a sudden increase and
abrupt pressure with risk of damage (water hammer), especially for the butterfly valve.
but if I apply it to a diesel and the taro for example 1.5 bar reached this pressure, she opens up and then you
close; now try to imagine this movement several times per second, what? the result?
you doing the open and close continually keeps the pressure constant at the value decided by me.
theoretically it should work

well of crap I have heard already enough from what I read I understand that you don't know how it works the by-pass valve or pop-off, which has the task to drive out some of the pressure that is to be established in the pipes when you release the gas pedal, or dropping it closes the valve with the result that the turbine continues to rotate, and to send the air but was unable to pass because of this and closed, then the water hammer is the turbine is not the valve as you say.

[admin]

also,sorry to post another message, but I hadn't read before,
I have not written the turbine will be running? always but I have written the turbine will be running? always strong
in the sense that even when you open the valve to pop off and download the pressure outside the turbine is not rallenter? his
rotation as is the case with the westgate and this should also mean less turbo lag

Does not work this system you will have a pressure dancer and the turbine will be in autodistruzzione.

[msport (exil77grande)]

ciao.scusa if I'm intruding,but the ihi turbine mounted on the 500 abarth is on bushings and nn on the pads !!!

hello I invite you in the presentation section, thanks.

[dariuccio]

I state that I have already submitted, but we review it anyway.
I admit that I confused a bit with the ideas but between the throttle valve and the turbine, and I apologize for this but the fact remains that
the principle of operation that I have described ? identical to your I don't know if you've noticed (WRITING IN the MOST ABSOLUTE RESPECT) I also believe that sin is a bit presumptuous even why? some time ago I built a pop off
crafted with a tappet fiat marea as the piston ostruttore inserted in a tube of the fountain pricked by me and
screwed on the intercooler.
results:the pressure was more constant the only annoying thing ? the fact that it seems to have a broken pipe.
having said this, I thank you anyway for your tips and I hope that this exchange of views remain constructive.

[admin]

I'm not a stuck up, but I have to correct you if you write something
wrong even why? the forums and read by industry professionals
and the common people who has no idea of how it works a pop off
cos? by doing some wrong ideas about the correct operation.
I invite you to not replicate.

[mikyrace82]

admin is absolutely right...you will destroy the turbine with this system...even if you stop the pressure to 1.5 bar bleed off the excess pressure, however, the turbine will continue? to take turns coming to the destruction...in a nutshell.

[msport (exil77grande)]

I state that I have already submitted, but we review it anyway.


in fact, I was not referring to you.

[dariuccio]

sorry msport (exil77grande)
for mikyrace82 I thought that by mounting the turbine of a gas with more than double of the
horses of my 1.3 operating temperatures and pressures well the most demanding applications, the I'm going to take advantage of up to 70%
its got potential? (rpm) for this I opted for changing the pop off.
in addition, after the installation of the turbine, I realized that not c'? enough space to mount the westgate.
then someone kindly could you recommend some other solution?
thanks

[legendaryslave]

Sorry if you're managing the pressure with the popoff the by-pass must always be closed for curiosity? I do see how l have mounted with a photo, I'm curious

[mikyrace82]

sorry msport (exil77grande)
for mikyrace82 I thought that by mounting the turbine of a gas with more than double of the
horses of my 1.3 operating temperatures and pressures well the most demanding applications, the I'm going to take advantage of up to 70%
its got potential? (rpm) for this I opted for changing the pop off.
in addition, after the installation of the turbine, I realized that not c'? enough space to mount the westgate.
then someone kindly could you recommend some other solution?
thanks
has nothing to do with the fact that the turbine comes from a motorized ir? handsome...with the system that you have created the break anyway...you don't control the speed? post but only the pressure....
you don't control the speed? post but only the pressure in the ducts...the turbine, instead, to take? always pi? laps to get the engine revs up to disintegrate...

[dariuccio]

they are not completely agree with you, however, "we will only know by living".
I always believe that my car runs the met? what would turn on the 500, and with temperatures
the discharge of at least 200 degrees compared to a petrol.
for legendaryslave if you read the discussion from the beginning, I wrote that I have purchased but still not me ? arrived
for the moment, to walk without sinking the foot, however, as soon as the avro is mounted rest assured that you'll post the photos.

[mikyrace82]

I know that you are not clear some things...why? manufacturers of turbochargers would spend good money in the study of geometries and management if it were so simple? a board..or two...be well informed on the operation of a turbocharger, and with the money that is recovered by selling this crowd(now that ? still intact), purchases a crowd ori.

[dariuccio]

thanks a lot...

allowed and not allowed that the turbine crashes and I thank all of you for the sincerity? even if continuous
to be in disagreement with you, also depends on the type of riding that one has in the sense that if you keep the throttle open
for 10 km ? obvious that it breaks, but being a machine, however, the road if you will be running? for 10 minutes at full load
sar? gi? so. however, in a few months, will update.
in the meantime, now I've just finished to fit the tips of the injectors lybra 105 hp and I had to rewrite the map ori, why?
with the previous one was strong, but the pistons are floated in the oil.
just made another map I give you news if you are interested.

[mikyrace82]

the crowd is the backgrounds in 500meters...it didn't make sense to change a car if then you have to apply the accelerator to return home without the help of the carroattrezzi..then degustibus...

[dariuccio]

thanks for the greeting! joke
however, before sfondero' the turbine I would like to understand with you a few things if you are willing otherwise, thanks
however.
I injectors 1.9 I have only mounted the nozzles and I was wondering, however, are to be calibrated?
with the map ori smoking, however, as a tractor!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mikyrace82]

my advice...portals from the pompista..you're risking really do a bang....

[dariuccio]

hey miky, I followed your advice but ? arrived too late! I melted two pistons
prank! ec I took them from pompista but I'm as St. Thomas, if not I think not!
now let's talk seriously, should I have them adjusted so that they spray the same amount? the original?
I would be very grateful

[mikyrace82]

no, it's not ? what is the meaning...not ? the pompista must adjust as the originals but you mount them by adjusting everything so that the injectors need to atomize the diesel fuel and not spray it to dripping...said papelepapele...by doing so, you are relying to a great trainer who will rule everything from the map...

[dariuccio]

you're really helpful, I didn't know the meaning of adjust, now me ? everything more clear

[dantesfx]

you're really helpful, I didn't know the meaning of adjust, now me ? everything more clear

Most just, the address of mikyrace82, you will earn a lot, especially in reliability

[anniver]

Hi all I have a lancia ypsilon multijet 70cv I bought the exhaust manifold of the 95 that is the port of the turbine above I took the turbine and the injectors delta 1.6 120 hp eliminated the egr total I'm walking already from 6 months to 1.8 bar without problems, the machine passes the 200kmh closed eyes, and a splinter if anyone is interested and if I can I'll post the photos I take with the 140cv ori about 1,3 km do not

The only problem that I have and can't get it to do more than 5100giri

[passion engines]

The only problem that I have and can't get it to do more than 5100giriCiao the file on your machine the you did the remap?

[anniver]

We made all in 2d, but to some limit, in particular,....

[SandroMarciano]

you should open a discussion dedicated to them, however I think that the limit of the 5100rpm can also arise from springs, valves and camshaft to original. Any way without the damos dedicated ? almost impossible to find a way to increase the rpm...

[dariuccio]

I know the limiter on the mjet ? set at 5300 rpm after which? the ecu inhibits the injection; it seems strange to me that more than 5100 can't climb.
I also mounted the troubles of the bravo 1.6 120 horses why? that of the 500 I sold it and arriving at 5300 no problems with 1.6 bar of pressure
but I could still climb.

[angelolsp]

should be precise 5250...

[dariuccio]

the remaining laps to take them to the inertia of the masses

[angelolsp]

if c and lim rpm 5250 size 5250!!! sara ke from the tachometer deceiving you and see the 5300

[angelolsp]

connect the diagnosis and see what turns restricts you!!

[dariuccio]

the inertia of the moving masses ? a concept as complex and articulated, if the ecu cuts the fuel at 5250 the crankshaft for the "guilt" of its counterweights
continue to increase the rpm (of course a little) until the gravity? not overcomes the force of the weight (inertia)

[anniver]

I use the titanium and out of the driver in the map limm pair 2 at the end of the driver, there is a curve similar to the one in the driver, I increased bringing it similar to the penultimate is always 5100 but also makes them first

Because with the point 70cv. I 5500??

[asdone]

I read that on some ECU c'? a further limiter single value crashed in the program area. The only way to find it ? see from the diagnosis of the exact value of the limiting, and search in all the files, hoping to find just one and hoping not to touch any instruction of the CPU :P