Grande Punto mjet 90

[ion]

Good morning to all !
An acquaintance of mine is ? found the Gp90mjet mapped, in ways that I explained in another discussion.
The car is fine, drives and smokes practically ZERO (the thing has left me amazed in the effects)
It has holes you have as low as 90 of the series), and remembering very well.
It lacks a bit of speed?, according to me in that sense goes a little more? of the original (even why? the car has 6 gears, with the last very long relationship, and rims from 17 that make you sweat a lot in increasing rpm on the left wing!)
Let's say an edit soft but to use already? valid.
With my (poor) knowledge, and based on the map already? this I tried to raise some of the values, with the result "average":
- the car stretches much more? (exceeds 190 shown)
- pushes the pi? to the high, you feel decidedly
- SMOKE a little
What do you think ?
Keep in mind that the guy does NOT WANT to smoke for virtually nothing (I have already? explained that in a diesel without fap ? virtually impossible, to take a gasoline...) and would like the rpestazioni of the second map. I doubt this is a thing possible, he wants the barrel full and the wife drunk...
In the zip there are the original, the modified file found on his car (he had given a workshop to which they had turned to other interventions, a few months ago) and the "my" change of the test.
Thanks !
:D

[SandroMarciano]

if you do not want to smoke, but performance aumentagli the pressure of the turbocharger, the simple...

[ion]

if you do not want to smoke, but performance aumentagli the pressure of the turbocharger, the simple...

I tried a 5% (that already? I do not think a little on similar turbines) on the map posted, but the result ? pretty much the same.
In general, I hear of GP90 that exceed the 190 without problems : they smoke or not ? To see if c'? some other trick.
According to me smoke (I don't mean black cloud Type style TD 90's) they do it to, but I ask those in the know pi?...

[SandroMarciano]

So I gather that you have increased the pressure to about 0,08 bar... to me doesn't seem so? so...

[ion]

So I gather that you have increased the pressure to about 0,08 bar... to me doesn't seem so? so...

According to me, the pressure also increases with the diesel, you should see in the diagnosis, the increase in the actual total.
I do not want to shorten the life of the turbine...
Overall, how do you find the map ?

[Ghizmo]

If you don't control diagnosis there? you need to know you will never be able to understand how much you're pushing yourself to the limit and beyond of some of the components.
You don't even know if you're close to the limit.
Series should do between the 1.4 and 1.5 peak....depends on the year of production for what I have been able to note, logging in now so many 90hp that have happened to me.

[ion]

If you don't control diagnosis there? you need to know you will never be able to understand how much you're pushing yourself to the limit and beyond of some of the components.
You don't even know if you're close to the limit.
Series should do between the 1.4 and 1.5 peak....depends on the year of production for what I have been able to note, logging in now so many 90hp that have happened to me.
To be sure, but to stay anyway, within the limits of safety by avoiding maps "absurd" harmful for the entire machine, I believe that they are always better gains moderate.
I am of the idea that a sports car ? a sports car, a Gp90mjet pu? be funny but not ? for nothing, you can make it the most? performance by ori ma ? absurd to want to push for more? performance. Then mancarebbero, among other things, the brakes and sospensinoi as not (assuming of changing as needed in the engine and transmission to make them hold) to which the expense would be very different, and you always get a GP "changed" and the structural limits of the intrinsic.
Ergo a map that makes 130hp and 200 km/h (assuming this is possible) is not included in my will? for CHOICE.
The final one that I would like to know ? how to have a map soft adequate and appropriate, without conceptual errors.
Everything here !
:D

[carbo92]

To be sure, but to stay anyway, within the limits of safety by avoiding maps "absurd" harmful for the entire machine, I believe that they are always better gains moderate.
I am of the idea that a sports car ? a sports car, a Gp90mjet pu? be funny but not ? for nothing, you can make it the most? performance by ori ma ? absurd to want to push for more? performance. Then mancarebbero, among other things, the brakes and sospensinoi as not (assuming of changing as needed in the engine and transmission to make them hold) to which the expense would be very different, and you always get a GP "changed" and the structural limits of the intrinsic.
Ergo a map that makes 130hp and 200 km/h (assuming this is possible) is not included in my will? for CHOICE.
The final one that I would like to know ? how to have a map soft adequate and appropriate, without conceptual errors.
Everything here !
:D

I would like to help you but the ECM doesn't find me the driver.

[ion]

I would like to help you but the ECM doesn't find me the driver.

I did (let's say more? or less....) in version 6.2, but I don't know if you can attach these types of files in the forum...

[ion]

In TITANIUM you can see something with the driver P13_PO95, though ? very limited description of curves, there are several...

[carbo92]

Post what you did...

[SandroMarciano]

To be sure, but to stay anyway, within the limits of safety by avoiding maps "absurd" harmful for the entire machine, I believe that they are always better gains moderate.
I am of the idea that a sports car ? a sports car, a Gp90mjet pu? be funny but not ? for nothing, you can make it the most? performance by ori ma ? absurd to want to push for more? performance. Then mancarebbero, among other things, the brakes and sospensinoi as not (assuming of changing as needed in the engine and transmission to make them hold) to which the expense would be very different, and you always get a GP "changed" and the structural limits of the intrinsic.
Ergo a map that makes 130hp and 200 km/h (assuming this is possible) is not included in my will? for CHOICE.
The final one that I would like to know ? how to have a map soft adequate and appropriate, without conceptual errors.
Everything here !
:D
I don't approve of this philosophy, but I respect it, however, you had said that the problem was the smoke and the performance could go, well , the solution if you do not want to raise the boost pressure ? the lowering of the diesel fuel.

[ion]

I don't approve of this philosophy, but I respect it, however, you had said that the problem was the smoke and the performance could go, well , the solution if you do not want to raise the boost pressure ? the lowering of the diesel fuel.
Self-evident....
:cool:
I just wonder if the map from me "pumped" contains errors macroscopic such as to create smoke without make up equal measure performance (cmq light as said), that's all.
Of course, with less fuel, pollutes less, already? seen with the mod "original" attached that smokes practically zero while having discrea yield to medium-low.
I am attaching the driver from me is created, not ? perfect in some parameters, and even complete, if I do something wrong I ask the mod to remove it immediately !
:o

[SandroMarciano]

I have now also seen the map, but ? very quiet, the problem, however, is the afr too low. I'd recommend you to increase the turbo pressure, here the most of the you have increased 56mbar, consider that up to 100mbar change ? still quiet.
For each mod if you prefer to operate by reducing the diesel fuel, fix the angle at which you have arrived at the 15%, up to 10 and you'll see that the smoke disappears completely.
I am attaching a screen to better see the map.

4679

[ion]

I have now also seen the map, but ? very quiet, the problem, however, is the afr too low. I'd recommend you to increase the turbo pressure, here the most of the you have increased 56mbar, consider that up to 100mbar change ? still quiet.
For each mod if you prefer to operate by reducing the diesel fuel, fix the angle at which you have arrived at the 15%, up to 10 and you'll see that the smoke disappears completely.
I am attaching a screen to better see the map.

4679

Thanks for the opinion and advice !
Could you ada llegare a picture a little more? "big" ?
This can see on the postage stamp size and I can't understand anything....
:o

[SandroMarciano]

let's see if I can cheat the system, try it now:

[ion]

let's see if I can cheat the system, try it now:
4680

Perfect, thanks.
I have just a moment, the comparison with the "my" the map !

[SandroMarciano]

Perfect, thanks.
I have just a moment, the comparison with the "my" the map !

that ? your map, only showing the pressure values in mbar

[ion]

that ? your map, only showing the pressure values in mbar

Ok, I thought it was the map ORI, I have not yet compared the screen with the data, thanks.
However, the values are relatively low, and a bit of edge c'? still...

[SandroMarciano]

Ok, I thought it was the map ORI, I have not yet compared the screen with the data, thanks.
However, the values are relatively low, and a bit of edge c'? still...

it is, in my opinion, c'? still the margin, then maybe if someone else says its...

[ion]

But I'm getting a doubt : in the prex turbo ? to 0931A6 or 092654 ?
I thought the first, but now I see that Titanium shows me the second...

[SandroMarciano]

Now I don't have the PC, but I can tell you the ECJ watching in 2d ? the first that you find the second ? the restrictor.

[mavaila1972]

If you are up to it let's go in order, let's start from the torque limiters
3 torque limiters choking us the car at low revs 8X1 at the following addresses:
84c2c
8eb40
8eb60
2 torque limiters 12x1 at the following addresses:
915c0
91798
1 torque limiter 8X1 at the following address:
9011

now you have to decide the direction of the breakpoint to determine where to start from with the increase in

[Ghizmo]

3 torque limiters choking us the car at low revs 8X1 at the following addresses:
84c2c
8eb40
8eb60
I'm not so sure sincerely....

In the last address, something is missing.

The ID of the software ? 3646PL94? I still can't download attachments

[mavaila1972]

sorry I was wrong to write the last limiter and to address 92248

If you are up to it let's go in order, let's start from the torque limiters
3 torque limiters choking us the car at low revs 8X1 at the following addresses:
84c2c
8eb40
8eb60
2 torque limiters 12x1 at the following addresses:
915c0
91798
1 torque limiter 8X1 at the following address:
9011

now you have to decide the direction of the breakpoint to determine where to start from with the increase in

[mavaila1972]

I add a final torque limiter as a function of the temperature of the water (see operation engines 1.3 mjet).
Map 16x10
Address 90b52

[mavaila1972]

So as far as the turbo value in the map x8 I get the mBar pressure turbo right?

it is, in my opinion, c'? still the margin, then maybe if someone else says its...

[mavaila1972]

Limiter Turbo pressure as a function of atmospheric pressure

Map 10x10
Address Map:
92280

[SandroMarciano]

So as far as the turbo value in the map x8 I get the mBar pressure turbo right?


If you are up to it let's go in order, let's start from the torque limiters
3 torque limiters choking us the car at low revs 8X1 at the following addresses:
84c2c
8eb40
8eb60
2 torque limiters 12x1 at the following addresses:
915c0
91798
1 torque limiter 8X1 at the following address:
9011

now you have to decide the direction of the breakpoint to determine where to start from with the increase in

915C0 and 91798 I think it is in recovery, the values are too low!


Limiter Turbo pressure as a function of atmospheric pressure

Map 10x10
Address Map:
92280
correct

[mavaila1972]

915C0 and 91798 I think it is in recovery, the values are too low!


correct

while the maps pressures turbo you appear to be correct?

[mavaila1972]

920bc pressure turbo function iq ok
92ef7 pressure turbo function iq ok

92654 pressure turbo function iq strange shape in 3d to be a turbo no?
92794 pressure turbo function iq strange shape in 3d to be a turbo no?

if they were pressure turbo, the limiter would be at the address:
92e17
those who feel like to confirm?


915C0 and 91798 I think it is in recovery, the values are too low!


correct

[SandroMarciano]

are not pi? sure, 8 ? the conversion factor of the rail, but the turbo does not come back, as marelli uses absolute pressure, not relative.
I tried to get us as a conversion factor 15 and offset-100. Someone has the car to do some log?

[SandroMarciano]

are not pi? sure, 8 ? the conversion factor of the rail, but the turbo does not come back, as marelli uses absolute pressure, not relative.
I tried to get us as a conversion factor 15 and offset-100. Someone has the car to do some log?

I correct myself again, conversion factor 14 without offset, it seems that pi? similar. the other maps that citavi related to turbo, in effect, are a bit strange...

[mavaila1972]

the rail factor covert 7.51

[SandroMarciano]

the rail factor covert 7.51
no, the rail ? 8 with offset -100 and are safe.

[mavaila1972]

I correct myself again, conversion factor 14 without offset, it seems that pi? similar. the other maps that citavi related to turbo, in effect, are a bit strange...

if we consider that mounts a pressure sensor absolute factor may be 13.02 what do you say
great at least we try to understand how they work, ste ecu

[ion]

Finally, a discussion of "constructive".
The 2 curves, perhaps related to the turbo "strange" 92654 and 92794 may be related to the variable geometry ?
Or an overboost ?
Surely, I say poppycock...
:o

[SandroMarciano]

Finally, a discussion of "constructive".
The 2 curves, perhaps related to the turbo "strange" 92654 and 92794 may be related to the variable geometry ?
Or an overboost ?
Surely, I say poppycock...
:o
the marelli ir? complicated why? we do not have a precise description of the maps, or maybe riultano to me more? demanding why? I have never had the chance? let us test which seemed to me to...

the 2 maps I doubt that they are both an overboost or something like that. Having the car, I would do the following attempt, the calerei 50% and I would observe the results.

[mavaila1972]

Looking at the map in 3d looks very similar to the vnt of the turbo i.e. the map of the performance of the variable geometry therefore? to me it seems plausible

Finally, a discussion of "constructive".
The 2 curves, perhaps related to the turbo "strange" 92654 and 92794 may be related to the variable geometry ?
Or an overboost ?
Surely, I say poppycock...
:o

[SandroMarciano]

in fact, even as the location would be something wrong... with factor 0,520830 we also values plausibili. it would take a log time to tell us to vary the speed and IQ of diesel fuel, the values of the duty cycle.

[mavaila1972]

you throw the it is only a hypothesis:
and if the two maps were indicted pressure goal?what sense would it have a limiter on those two maps to address 92e18

in fact, even as the location would be something wrong... with factor 0,520830 we also values plausibili. it would take a log time to tell us to vary the speed and IQ of diesel fuel, the values of the duty cycle.