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cawadany
01-07-2013, 11:41
As of now, when I write the ecu use a battery charger to the electronic ones, but delivers only 3.6 A max, and then fails to stand up to a lot of the tension, given that probably the ignition is turned and the controller in the function, there will be? a superior absorption.
What do you use to get the voltages good? How many are needed according to your experience?

thekid
01-07-2013, 12:07
I use a charger that is the standard for passenger cars. I turn off everything not necessary to the interior lights,car lights ,radio ,weather, etc. And I have never had problems keeps me well the necessary voltage for now I made only cars that do not require more than the standard 12v to be able to write

voglioimparare
01-07-2013, 12:42
generally I try I also turn off all unnecessary services,see internal fan,lights, radio and everything that can affect battery life. however, when you talk about the readings very long (see 159 x example,40 minutes to read the file) generally I hook up a maintainer charge, purchased at a ridiculous price...so I never had any problems in this sense;)

legendaryslave
01-07-2013, 12:50
beautiful battery from the truck paralleling I never had a problem

SandroMarciano
01-07-2013, 13:24
I don't use anything except when we talk about mercedes light up fans, in writing or any other for that ? well-known that we can have voltage drops all of a sudden. With these I connect a booster. For now, I have never had problems!

cawadany
01-07-2013, 14:32
S?, I turn everything off in the car of course. For? according to me the most? it is held on the voltage on the pi? ? better, with any car.....

SandroMarciano
01-07-2013, 14:41
S?, I turn everything off in the car of course. For? according to me the most? it is held on the voltage on the pi? ? better, with any car.....
no, this speech is according to me ? wrong, the correct tension ? around 12.5 V, that is to say, from 11.5 to 13.5, in fact, sometimes I had problems to have attacked only a battery charger that I raised the voltage to 14.2...

cawadany
01-07-2013, 14:45
no, this speech is according to me ? wrong, the correct tension ? around 12.5 V, that is to say, from 11.5 to 13.5, in fact, sometimes I had problems to have attacked only a battery charger that I raised the voltage to 14.2...

S?? This I did not know..... I thought that a voltage on the pi? high could just "doing well"

glittering chiffon party dress.fitted
01-07-2013, 15:01
Work with battery 43ah in parallel I have a voltage of 12.4 volts, up to now all ok

cawadany
02-07-2013, 11:42
Someone uses something like that?

4629

TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS:
DIMENSIONS: 21 x 11 x 5 cm
Input: 100-120V 60HZ
200-220V 50HZ
Output : DC +12V (TRIMMER +/- 15%) 30A

nasone147
02-07-2013, 19:42
battery charger/maintainer charge only on edc16c39!:)

franco75
02-07-2013, 21:47
I sometimes use a booster, especially if they leave the fans, possibly disconnected, even those

sportknight
03-07-2013, 09:09
the bmw usually want to voltages more? high...

cawadany
03-07-2013, 18:43
Someone uses something like that?

4629

TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS:
DIMENSIONS: 21 x 11 x 5 cm
Input: 100-120V 60HZ
200-220V 50HZ
Output : DC +12V (TRIMMER +/- 15%) 30A

No one can tell me if a power supply of the kind could go to get the desired tension?

MultiBravo
03-07-2013, 19:02
I use a battery in parallel, I know the ctek that produces good power supplies that maintain the voltage 13.6V constants to work on the units.
A few of them also adopts the network, the Fiat Group.

X cawadany:
since you have 12V +/- 15%, adjust the trimmer to 13V and you are affixed, with 30A do what you want to virtually covenant not to turn on fans, pumps, lights, etc..

cawadany
03-07-2013, 20:31
I also saw I the ctek, but the cost ? "challenging".
Otherwise, I found the charger for up to 8 or 16A at an affordable price.... I Would be at the limit with those of the current supplied?

glittering chiffon party dress.fitted
03-07-2013, 20:47
With 170,00 euro the cost of the CTEK MXS 7.0 make a major expense, but in addition to use it as a charging pad, you also have a battery charger for all batteries : lead-acid WET / MF / GEL / AGM/ Ca-Ca

cawadany
03-07-2013, 21:06
With 170,00 euro the cost of the CTEK MXS 7.0 make a major expense, but in addition to use it as a charging pad, you also have a battery charger for all batteries : lead-acid WET / MF / GEL / AGM/ Ca-Ca

The question ?: are sufficient 7A to keep the absorption in the process of writing?

garret
03-07-2013, 21:10
I appended to the question, I have 2 ctek but the normal version, that comes to load up to 120ah

cawadany
04-07-2013, 00:56
I appended to the question, I have 2 ctek but the normal version, that comes to load up to 120ah

Will be 3,6A, as my Deca. And according to me they are too few. In fact, how do I connect the charger the voltage rises very much.

garret
04-07-2013, 08:56
exact cawa, are the ones, when they attack arrival to 12.9 maximum 13v, up to now no problem even with mpps why? has not changes, the voltage stabilizes at the 12,9 and remains there, the msx 7.0 it seems to me very good to almost do a little thought, c'? a dealer by my party that treats them, and the last time "about 3 months ago," sold to 130 euros, the 2 that I have them I paid 80 for one

cawadany
04-07-2013, 09:04
exact cawa, are the ones, when they attack arrival to 12.9 maximum 13v, up to now no problem even with mpps why? has not changes, the voltage stabilizes at the 12,9 and remains there, the msx 7.0 it seems to me very good to almost do a little thought, c'? a dealer by my party that treats them, and the last time "about 3 months ago," sold to 130 euros, the 2 that I have them I paid 80 for one

Is exact, the voltage does not rise much just connected the charger. The Ctek are good but according to me too dear. I found the charger to be similar to the dispense 6A to 60 euros and 16A to 120 euros.

cawadany
04-07-2013, 11:46
Someone told me that the only reliable solution ? connect a battery in parallel. The battery charger connected to the electricity network say that they can enter the disturbances that can create problems in the process of writing. There is?

MultiBravo
04-07-2013, 13:12
I think 7A is sufficient, if somebody tries to measure the absorption with the key in the gear we will be grateful..:)
However, according to me, not less than 5A as a charger pad..

garret
04-07-2013, 13:23
but by connecting a battery in parallel you stay to the voltages on the pi? low if I'm not mistaken, you're not able to arrive on the 14v

garret
04-07-2013, 13:30
http://www.ebay.it/itm/ALPHA-elettr-ALIMENTATORE-stabilizzato-per-laboratorio-banco-prova-0-15V-10A-/281127714542?pt=Trasformatori_e_Raddrizzatori&hash=item4174847eee&_uhb=1 guys, this kind of thing could go?

alfajtd
04-07-2013, 13:46
battery is good and fully charged in parallel is more than enough...

cawadany
04-07-2013, 14:03
but by connecting a battery in parallel you stay to the voltages on the pi? low if I'm not mistaken, you're not able to arrive on the 14v

Yeah, the voltage decrease in the time in which the colleagues. The pi? charge goes to load the other....

garret
04-07-2013, 14:05
as amperage, what would it be? a 10a may go or not ? too much?

cawadany
04-07-2013, 14:08
as amperage, what would it be? a 10a may go or not ? too much?

The power adapter/charger you say?

glittering chiffon party dress.fitted
04-07-2013, 14:47
When I do this work always working with second battery in parallel to that of the car with the voltage measured by the galletto 2 to 12.4 volts I have never had problems greetings to all and good job

cawadany
04-07-2013, 14:54
When I do this work always working with second battery in parallel to that of the car with the voltage measured by the galletto 2 to 12.4 volts I have never had problems greetings to all and good job

A little bowl for? as the voltage..... some ecu's require (or at least like) voltages on the pi? high....

glittering chiffon party dress.fitted
04-07-2013, 15:30
I would not create spam, but I feel compelled to respond to the post, they are almost 2 years that I use the mpps, and then the wing nut 2 and sincerely voltages higher than mentioned in the previous post I have ever had and I never had problems greetings to all and good job

cawadany
04-07-2013, 17:04
I would not create spam, but I feel compelled to respond to the post, they are almost 2 years that I use the mpps, and then the wing nut 2 and sincerely voltages higher than mentioned in the previous post I have ever had and I never had problems greetings to all and good job

Ok, even the BMW the write 12,4V?

angelolsp
04-07-2013, 17:30
but if you connect a battery charging small type, those with compresori embedded okay?

garret
04-07-2013, 18:55
I would not create spam, but I feel compelled to respond to the post, they are almost 2 years that I use the mpps, and then the wing nut 2 and sincerely voltages higher than mentioned in the previous post I have ever had and I never had problems greetings to all and good job

what type of battery do you use? amperage? give us some info about

MultiBravo
04-07-2013, 19:54
http://www.ebay.it/itm/ALPHA-elettr-ALIMENTATORE-stabilizzato-per-laboratorio-banco-prova-0-15V-10A-/281127714542?pt=Trasformatori_e_Raddrizzatori&hash=item4174847eee&_uhb=1 guys, this kind of thing could go?

Only 3 amps continuous, bit me.

cawadany
04-07-2013, 20:10
On the bay with 20 euro are power supplies 12v +- 20% current 30A.

garret
04-07-2013, 20:12
postane one cawa cos? we take an idea

cawadany
04-07-2013, 20:21
postane one cawa cos? we take an idea

Here it is

http://www.ebay.it/itm/ALIMENTATORE-STABILIZZATO-SWITCH-TRIMMER-220V-12V-30A-CON-VENTOLA-RAFFREDDAMENTO-/171048994650?pt=Accessori_da_videosorveglianza&hash=item27d350875a&_uhb=1

cawadany
07-07-2013, 02:11
Then? No one is giving me an opinion on this power supply?

garret
07-07-2013, 12:15
I am not inspire confidence, it costs too little, and that "made in china" at the side, not helps

cawadany
07-07-2013, 12:23
If we look at the made-in-china does not buy more? nothing.....

elettro72
07-07-2013, 12:45
that power supply does not think it is suitable to do what you want if you read the instructions.......why? don't buy a car battery charger cost about 50 of those small, non-professional,those are good sure there you start the car, but will charge the battery if necessary to do the ecu does not need a large absorption ones are ok ........

angelolsp
07-07-2013, 12:47
in fact, I have one of those small ones...should be good to go x the ecu right?

cawadany
07-07-2013, 13:11
that power supply does not think it is suitable to do what you want if you read the instructions.......why? don't buy a car battery charger cost about 50 of those small, non-professional,those are good sure there you start the car, but will charge the battery if necessary to do the ecu does not need a large absorption ones are ok ........

Why? you say that is not ? suitable?
The charger I have, but to deliver 3.6A and they are too few.

glittering chiffon party dress.fitted
07-07-2013, 13:13
For cawadany even if chinese ? very good he bought it from a friend of mine for us to work and ? was very pleased with hi

cawadany
07-07-2013, 13:37
For cawadany even if chinese ? very good he bought it from a friend of mine for us to work and ? was very pleased with hi

Thanks a lot for the feedback!

elettro72
07-07-2013, 21:56

angelolsp
08-07-2013, 14:03
Km qst in the figure, then the don'ts x svrivere?

cawadany
09-07-2013, 09:39


Exact, we trust you to buy the programmers of the chinese, and we "fear" of a simple the power supply?!??!

garret
09-07-2013, 13:39
I of chinese programmers don't acquister? pi?, the quality? ? really poor quality for all, or almost, see my cock v53, I did revisit it in toto, and now works from god, for the rest the only clone that I have never cheated ? the autocom first series that has provided me with msport and that up to now, has always done its job completely realizes

cawadany
09-07-2013, 13:49
I of chinese programmers don't acquister? pi?, the quality? ? really poor quality for all, or almost, see my cock v53, I did revisit it in toto, and now works from god, for the rest the only clone that I have never cheated ? the autocom first series that has provided me with daniel, and that up to now, has always done its job completely realizes

The problem ? who are all chinese. I sincerely believe the history of the european.

ecucilacunta
09-07-2013, 14:17
I use questo4690, adjustable voltage from 3 to 15v 25A continuous, 30A peak. Purchased on the baya from a ham radio operator for 50 euro. I also use it for BDM.

m999
27-07-2013, 19:37
In the end they are all chinese people, but also their first and second choice!! I use a stabilized taken on the baya, from Italian seller with warranty & co... great product, functional, comfortable and precise, and, as I mentioned at the beginning, with a nice sticker on the bottom "made in PRC" :)

? a device that I highly recommend to all those who want to engage in chiptuning. ? how to start to get your hands on an engine having the whole set of wrenches but not a torque wrench!

M999

andrew64
28-07-2013, 10:05
I put a battery in parallel, and I have never had problems with sudden drops in voltage

garret
28-07-2013, 10:12
In the end they are all chinese people, but also their first and second choice!! I use a stabilized taken on the baya, from Italian seller with warranty & co... great product, functional, comfortable and precise, and, as I mentioned at the beginning, with a nice sticker on the bottom "made in PRC" :)

? a device that I highly recommend to all those who want to engage in chiptuning. ? how to start to get your hands on an engine having the whole set of wrenches but not a torque wrench!

M999

you put a link to see what power supply do you use? sar? useful to many

m999
29-07-2013, 20:58


M999

garret
29-07-2013, 22:03
great power supply, I would say, thanks for the link, use it only for mapping to tour or even to write from obd2?

cawadany
30-07-2013, 08:12
I think goes well only for mapping on the bench. 5A are a bit short for use as a "buffer" when you write to the serial port.

m999
30-07-2013, 09:04
I think goes well only for mapping on the bench. 5A are a bit short for use as a "buffer" when you write to the serial port.

Not ? true, the electrical system of the car absorbs only what is needed to operate the equipment at key-on if reading in serial: 5 Ah are also too many. A normal powder charge for the battery bike/car do you think that push for more?? Clearly you need to work on a car with the battery fully charged and in good shape, otherwise it makes no sense to our speech.

I use it for both reading the counter and serial without any problems. I would also recommend to use a laptop PC for these jobs. in addition to the comfort? to be able to move it where you see fit, the battery of the laptop works like a real buffer to any sudden changes of current.

M999

cawadany
30-07-2013, 09:19
I have a charger from 3.6 Ah and provides little current according to me, given that fails to raise the voltage at the moment I connect it. Then I have no idea of that absorption, there is a point of view shot and the programmer in the function.

m999
30-07-2013, 10:18
Not ? important that the voltage of the battery (and then the one present in the system of the car) is taken to the extreme, already? that remains constant and stabilized at that ? the standard charge of the battery ? a sufficient condition. Consider that normally, the units - of-their - they absorb very little, we are in the order of 0,2/0,5 Ah when they work at the key-mr instrument panel and some other accessory I do not think to come to surpass an Ah of absorption, at least in principle.

M999

garret
13-08-2013, 13:15
I use questo4690, adjustable voltage from 3 to 15v 25A continuous, 30A peak. Purchased on the baya from a ham radio operator for 50 euro. I also use it for BDM.

I bought this but the amperage as you reagola? the voltage through the 2 potentiometers right, but if I spin those of the left, the amperage does not change

m999
13-08-2013, 20:56
I don't see the attachment, but normally with the potentiometer the amperage it the rule, only the maximum peak of absorption, and then the display will indicate? only the Amperes absorbed at that time. The indication of the Amperes absorbed ? very important why? you can tell when an ecu ? turned on or not.

Hello

Marco

elettro72
13-08-2013, 22:21
in fact, as he says m999 if you connect a "load" e.g. a light bulb will do? see the absorption in amps that has........

m999
13-08-2013, 23:29
Clearly, having a tool that can stabilize up to 10A (for example) by adjusting the potentiometer, you can give a limit to how much the ecu can ever absorb, a p? how to have a kind of big fuse yet, at the same time you f? also buffer against voltage surges.

M999

admin
13-08-2013, 23:35
You can use and also economical a stabilized power supply that is located to the inside of the pc fixed, sell it as a spare, and cheap.

garret
14-08-2013, 00:30
thanks for the info guys, make? of the trials and terr? the current

garret
15-08-2013, 19:38
one last thing, to find du cables with alligator clips to the appropriate size to be connected to the terminals of the battery, where can we get it? the classic tour are too small

passion engines
15-08-2013, 19:42
Usually find them in the shops of electricity? or in auto parts & accessories

garret
15-08-2013, 19:44
on the web is little or nothing, maybe I should get the individual parts and assemblarmeli alone

passion engines
15-08-2013, 19:48
but by 2 pinsette????? there are the small ones that you use for the bike, the medium-sized car, and great for boats , buses, and various heavy vehicles

garret
15-08-2013, 20:10
unfortunately, I do not find pan, you have a link to postarmi? or maybe I do first to go in a shop of electrical parts?

dantesfx
02-09-2013, 18:10
unfortunately, I do not find pan, you have a link to postarmi? or maybe I do first to go in a shop of electrical parts?

Go to a store of parts coming from electrical surely..

elmont1985
10-10-2013, 19:19
sorry,I've started the construction of a battery charger economic but evolved, type of switch, if you care about power supplies, bench, excellent and very good value for money are the attention, I have bought several power supplies, and a monthly purchase excellent electronic components, including relays, 12vdc

spatullo
20-11-2013, 20:57
Too much does not exist, the maximum pu? be too little :-)
When I was thinking I was aiming for a 25A, just to not worry about manco of the fans that otherwise sometimes be detached.
For? in fact, if you have a battery in good condition (why? if ? cooked ? worse than not using it) ? the same thing.

But, you have a case study that will help us understand on what ecu you risk really for low voltages?? I do not you ? never stuck nothing for low voltage honestly.

m999
23-11-2013, 07:30
Not ? as much of a problem of low voltages. Clearly a peak voltage pu? burn off some of the track or integrated, but what is pi? harmful are voltage fluctuations, especially if you work at a bank and with the current house. In the latter case we can have fluctuations of the supply current that a normal alimetatore 12V is not able to compensate, while a stabilized power supply you "filters and regulates" is the current that the amperage.

M999