Opinion the map Panda mjet 70hp

[ion]

Hello to all,
given that I can't download but upload is I try to put this test map I made for a Panda mjet 70 of a friend.
This is an experiment (or, better, an initial test, all free so to specify the socpo of my work...) since these ECU I know very little and I don't seem to have big margins from the electronics. If I remember correctly you can't? manage the turbo and even the rail.
The machine has increased the performance and, above all, has more? the "hole" typical to the low of these engines, no gear and load.
Of course not ? become a Ferrari and honestly I was expecting more? as extension.
It smokes a little bit more? from the original, not in an exaggerated way anyway.
Opinions and advice (constructive, to just say "worth"...I know it alone or at the same time not to believe it without evidence... )
Thanks to all of you !
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[marco]

I have heard that the turbo does anyone know how to mod. however, the rail are to start from here. 068fee

[ion]

I have heard that the turbo does anyone know how to mod. however, the rail are to start from here. 068fee
Thanks for the info for the rail, make? some of the tests.
For the turbo I knew that it was entirely at the command "mechanical" and then not manageable by the ECU but can? that has incorrect information....

[marco]

really I also know I that the turbo is not managed by the ecu but someone says that you can manage even from the ecu out of the driver?

[SandroMarciano]

no, the ecu can you? disable the recovery, but without damos ? practically impossible to find this address... to increase the pressure goes raolata manually the wastegate

[davidehfnos]

hello, according to me, no need to raise mechanically the turbo on these cars,,,,already with the diesel fuel increased raises the automanti...make a beautiful map, and leave everything else as is

[ion]

hello, according to me, no need to raise mechanically the turbo on these cars,,,,already with the diesel fuel increased raises the automanti...make a beautiful map, and leave everything else as is
Yes, I think on these turbines, there is not much to squeeze, better to avoid any damage to anything..

[davidehfnos]

but even if you turn up the turbo, for example, a 0.2't feel no change...here and in the diesel fuel, and the limiters that make the difference

[ion]

but even if you turn up the turbo, for example, a 0.2't feel no change...here and in the diesel fuel, and the limiters that make the difference
In fact, the reason of pi? in order not to force a turbine that already? often sells from the original...we agree !
As you say there are other maps that make the difference (and if someone comments on my file, maybe I understand how to improve it...)
:o

[SandroMarciano]

hello, according to me, no need to raise mechanically the turbo on these cars,,,,already with the diesel fuel increased raises the automanti...make a beautiful map, and leave everything else as is

not I am totally agree, if it affirms this means that you have not tried to increase it ? true that turbo pressure rises even if you don't take action on the wastegate, but only in a partial way! with a round and very diesel in a 70 I ? arrived at 1.3 bar, which are not too many, and this is demonstrated by the fact that the"animal" to which I made the map runs from 4 months to 180 fixed to the A1, the car had 220000km when we've changed it and it now has 250000...

For my own experiences I can recommend at ions to work essentially on the timing of ineizione, from what I've seen is by changing the various limiters torque limiters, diesel, pedal, and anything else that the IQ remains the same, probably why? we ignore the presence of another limiter that face from the neck of the bottle or table pair / IQ that comes at a relatively low IQ...

[msport (exil77grande)]

not I am totally agree, if it affirms this means that you have not tried to increase it ? true that turbo pressure rises even if you don't take action on the wastegate, but only in a partial way! with a round and very diesel in a 70 I ? arrived at 1.3 bar, which are not too many, and this is demonstrated by the fact that the"animal" to which I made the map runs from 4 months to 180 fixed to the A1, the car had 220000km when we've changed it and it now has 250000...

For my own experiences I can recommend at ions to work essentially on the timing of ineizione, from what I've seen is by changing the various limiters torque limiters, diesel, pedal, and anything else that the IQ remains the same, probably why? we ignore the presence of another limiter that face from the neck of the bottle or table pair / IQ that comes at a relatively low IQ...


30,000 km in 4 months?

[SandroMarciano]

yes, the months are something more? 4, we work with the machine, it comes and goes continuously from Rome to Arezzo

[ion]

I have personally seen break 2 turbines on two Panda 70 mjet new, in six months.
Machines used VERY badly by the drivers, but that were not risuciti to break other models of cars, from Audi to Dobl?.
For safety I then stressing them too, on a voluntary basis.
I also add that on machines with cos? so many miles I don't do no map for choice :
- if ? a friend explain to him why?
- if ? a customer (so to say, I don't work in this) I say no and just.
The first problem otherwise if would definitely be with me, even if, obviously, the 99% would not be due to the change, but the "vetust?" the car....
If anyone has opinions about the map you posted...thanks ! I was seeing the addresses of the rail, as indicated, the maps seem to be those (even if "reversed" compared to the usual scale, if not I play bad numbers seem to be the first high rpms) and I thought I had to raise it a thread, a 2-3% maximum. C'? also a limiter ? At first glance I do not see him, of course, can? also be a single value rather than the classic "line" of the other ECU.

[carbo92]

guys but where ? hidden this limiter? Many speak about

[davidehfnos]

not I am totally agree, if it affirms this means that you have not tried to increase it ? true that turbo pressure rises even if you don't take action on the wastegate, but only in a partial way! with a round and very diesel in a 70 I ? arrived at 1.3 bar, which are not too many, and this is demonstrated by the fact that the"animal" to which I made the map runs from 4 months to 180 fixed to the A1, the car had 220000km when we've changed it and it now has 250000...

For my own experiences I can recommend at ions to work essentially on the timing of ineizione, from what I've seen is by changing the various limiters torque limiters, diesel, pedal, and anything else that the IQ remains the same, probably why? we ignore the presence of another limiter that face from the neck of the bottle or table pair / IQ that comes at a relatively low IQ...


hello for me the game is not worth the candle on this car, I leave the original turbo without touching it meccanicamene......

[ion]

No opinion on the MAP posted ? On the topic of rail and turbo we have said it before, but much more? trivially on the casolio and a few curves present ?
:confused:

[ion]

Nothing ? I don't think so? perfect and not even cos? bad, a few comments in the context of to understand more? (I assume is the spirit of a forum that deals with these topics) would be appreciated...
I understand that the person who holds the secrets they do not want them to disclose, but if the silence ? total...well...
Thanks anyway !
:confused:

[SandroMarciano]

Nothing ? I don't think so? perfect and not even cos? bad, a few comments in the context of to understand more? (I assume is the spirit of a forum that deals with these topics) would be appreciated...
I understand that the person who holds the secrets they do not want them to disclose, but if the silence ? total...well...
Thanks anyway !
:confused:
The problem ? for these ecu still does not rotate the damos, who holds him close, and without that even I am reduced to intervene primarily on the injection times... creating a map "working" and not "beautiful", to which I cannot give advice.

[explode82]

for experience to be done in a particular way for the lifting of the diesel fuel,the tests I did long ago have led me to have 64mmg cycle in diagnosis

[SandroMarciano]

for experience to be done in a particular way for the lifting of the diesel fuel,the tests I did long ago have led me to have 64mmg cycle in diagnosis

but this value you obtained in the 70cv? why? it would be very interesting, what maps have you touched?

[ion]

for experience to be done in a particular way for the lifting of the diesel fuel,the tests I did long ago have led me to have 64mmg cycle in diagnosis
Thanks for the info.
And how much did he smoke in that case ? Gi? with the map you posted (which seems to me soft) the car fumicchia not over the top but in a way anyway obvious...

[SandroMarciano]

probably explode referred to a map in which by changing the torque limiters (and something else) increases in the diesel fuel, through IQ, but maintaining the injection times of the original (which ? the method that I'm trying to make work for months now), so in the end not ? said that the fumes just for the fun of it!

[carbo92]

The problem ? for these ecu still does not rotate the damos, who holds him close, and without that even I am reduced to intervene primarily on the injection times... creating a map "working" and not "beautiful", to which I cannot give advice.

He's right sandro on these cars without damos ? hard to understand I'm trying to study a map of a 90hp for several months..

[explode82]

to fumosit? he smokes a beautiful p? it becomes a chimney you can? say,in fact, to avoid a daily guide smoke,you have to work a lot on the assembly of the pedal,so ch? up to about 50-60% of the pedal fumicchia and goes, and then if you want to pi? sciacci,but them after and smoke though?

[msport (exil77grande)]

the 1.3 mjet have their limit so needless to go over, otherwise it makes a lot of smoke, and the difference compared to a map that does not smoke and will be at the max 2 hp then I don't see the convenience.

[ion]

I have done some testing and raising the diesel pi? on the map posted in fact, I get smoke and a little roast.
Gi? cos? it has a bit of fumosit? but still acceptable, and the machine has more? the "hole" this low, becoming much more? fun to drive.
As fast performance absolute I have not the fates sure, the owner says that in velox maximum goes as before, but gi? more than 180km/h...
Congratulations to the Panda though ? true!
:cool:

[vincenzot]

hello from my party someone has mounted the turbine 90 hp variable geometry for the only had to change the wastegate to the taken away that the depression and the change to a as that of the 75 hp

[angelolsp]

064684 ?
0648cc?
have you tried it?

[ion]

064684 ?
0648cc?
have you tried it?
No, I have no idea what they are, the first seems to me similar to the main injection, the second....uhmmm...pressure in the rail but with the axis reversed ?

[angelolsp]

The first x me and injection of the second nn it seems to me that rail..

[carbo92]

Guys has anyone tried to open a map marelli with Maps3D? I have tried it but I don't know if he says the truth

[mafani]

Guys has anyone tried to open a map marelli with Maps3D? I have tried it but I don't know if he says the truth?

sorry, in what sense,say, if the maps that you call him are they actually? any any no

[carbo92]

sorry, in what sense,say, if the maps that you call him are they actually? any any no

You mean the one... so I guess that we should remedy the damos

[mafani]

those of titanium are the most reliable but they are few

[angelolsp]

6 maps from the titanium then I should try the 2 addresses x back on what they are