An opinion for my first map 159 1900 16v 150CV

[hyrosat]

Hello all,


Thanks to all

Greetings hyrosat

[hyrosat]

guys no one gave them a look? I just wanted to understand if I started good or all busted :)

[dart.1989]

guys no one gave them a look? I just wanted to understand if I started good or all busted :)



hello hyrosat can't see your map xk? are not enabled still to open the link

I can say that thanks to paolo159 I deleted the fap from the map, if you need something kiedi as well :)

[SandroMarciano]

I saw the map, it seems that t has not read or understood the advice given on other engines, beginning with the order:

1CDF5E let her ori, only risk that the ecu will give you the breakdown, there are many ways the best shops to increase the power...
Torque limiters single-gear, why? you have increased the torque from 3^to 6^in spite of ori gi? limit 1000Nm??? the 1^and 2^in instead of I would give something more?...
Finally, you know what ? the last map you changed?
For the rest I invite you to search the limiters of diesel, otherwise the differences will be almost? in, and of course if you have the dpf to increase the boost pressure, otherwise you risk that the machine will regenerate too often.

[hyrosat]

Thanks Sandro of your valuable advice, I put it to work immediately to try to understand better, in fact they are just a beginner and the expert advice of experienced people make me very happy :)

[paolo159]

hyrosat you have made progress with your map?

[hyrosat]

Hello paolo159 these days I have not been able to devote much time for business purposes? during the week I make changes to it, and the place so well? we value them together

[hyrosat]

hyrosat you have made progress with your map?

paolo159, and the others give it a look see if I have made any improvement.

Thanks to all of the time that you will want to dedicate myself :)

[SandroMarciano]

pedal and torque limiter ok, torque limiter for the individual gears ok, the turbo you have to give some point to the limiter, otherwise you'll be in failure, and, above all, unless you don't have a new one in the garage I would advise you not to overdo it, consider +100pt normal map +120 map boost.
The rail, let it gold, not d? power, and by the way, you left the original over-pressure following. Also if you do not edit the limiters of diesel you get a few benefits.

[hyrosat]

ok thanks Sandro put me to work immediately

[marco]

sorry I see evil but, according to me, should be redone all from****.

[hyrosat]

sorry I see evil but, according to me, should be redone all from****.

why? you say cos

[SandroMarciano]

sorry I see evil but, according to me, should be redone all from****.

thank you for your assistance fundamental, could you explain why do you not go or how would you do it yourself?

[paolo159]

hyrosat follow the advice given by Sandro and don't worry about those negative comments without motivating them...

A further advice I can give you ? to adjust the injection timing on the basis of the required torque.

I see that on the map the pedal request up to approximately 450 nm of torque which are required about 100mm3 of fuel (as you can see from the map amount? fuel as a function of RPM/ torque)

from the map times as you can see, the bp up to 80mm3 then it would be appropriate to calculate the time to get up to 100mm3... you can work on the last 2 bp, for example bringing out the 60 70 and 80 100. (parts from a higher pressure to 600bar)

Did we? don't forget to adjust the limiters of fuel as you suggested Sandro.

[paolo159]

why? you've changed the map a couple during the start-up in that way?

[hyrosat]

why? you've changed the map a couple during the start-up in that way?

the map serves to solve the problem of hot start and cold-or am I wrong? you, how would you have done now about the best

[paolo159]

ok the functionality? ? exactly that....
- how have you changed yourself? not much sense in order to solve the problem of departures difficult since? the problem is the lack of torque in that instant where the motor is made to turn the starter, and then before you even get fully operational 850/900 rpm.
you have problems with cold starts I guess true?

on the basis of the experience made on my on intuition, I would say to increase in the range between -20 and +20 ? C, from 100 to 850/900 RPM, as increases from a 10% hard to start.

Once you have made the change to make the tests of cold ignition at different temperatures and see if the problem ? still present, if so you are going to retouch only in the range of temperatures where the problem is ? still present.

Then if you want something already? tested on my with problem solved 100% I send you a screenshot of the increments.

[hyrosat]

if you want to send me the screen I give him a look gladly thanks

I was also trying to understand the injection times :confused: could you give me some more input :)

[paolo159]

for injection times you can work on the last two columns, as you mentioned, and transform the 60 70 and 80 100.
To calculate it, there are different methods some more? accurate than the other but they require different calculations.
I personally do so? and I find it very good:

calculating the difference between the times of the 80 and 60, and I know that that difference is added to the column of the 80 gives me the values for the 100, to calculate the 70 high 60 mid? of that difference.

Keep in mind that this is my method allows you to calculate the time with a certain approximation, but considering that a +/- 3% error does not affect the result so for me are more? that is acceptable.
There are other users that have done a great job on (Tidus1985), obtaining values much more? accurate but require much more? work.

I'll explain in broad lines why? my method does not ? precise:

Firstly, you should consider that the injector has a time in the uS that need to open before you actually brew fuel, time which varies as a function of pressure, so you should go and calculate for each step of pressure, what is it ? the opening time of the injector, did we? calculate time in this way:

T100= T80 + (T80 - Tapertura_inj) - (T60 - Tapertura_inj)

At this point we are going to have more time? precise, even if in reality? there are still other factors that affect how, for example, the operating temperature of the injectors themselves.

If you want to look at the discussion started by Tidus to rigurardo, treats the topic more? in-depth, note that if you decide to use this method you will need to ricalcolarti you the opening times since? the ones calculated by Tidus are not suitable for the injectors of the 159 (gi? occurred).

[hyrosat]

I managed to make a few other changes to my map, as always, criticism and suggestions are welcome :)

[SandroMarciano]

I saw it in-house now the map, and it seems that the advice that I gave about the rail and the turbo have been completely ignored, not even those who gave Paul the injection crancking (power) you have listened to. I instead of "putting too many irons in the fire" that would fix a few things at a time.
Last but not least, the system you suggested paul to adapt to the times ? a system that seems to me valid, but you have to adjust the values on the axis to make it effective...

[hyrosat]

I saw it in-house now the map, and it seems that the advice that I gave about the rail and the turbo have been completely ignored, not even those who gave Paul the injection crancking (power) you have listened to. I instead of "putting too many irons in the fire" that would fix a few things at a time.
Last but not least, the system you suggested paul to adapt to the times ? a system that seems to me valid, but you have to adjust the values on the axis to make it effective...



thanks sandro

[hyrosat]

let's see if I've got it now, rail, original, reorganized the turbo increased to a maximum of 100 points, the limiters are good? and still the tinj set as they are now, right? what do you mean adjust the values on the axis to make it effective?

[SandroMarciano]

in practice, you have to change the addresses 1dc4da and 1dc4dc, but in order to understand how to do it, I advise you to open the map with winols, why? I suspect that will not be clear how the map of the times... (guys, I can assure you that it does not give me the parcel of those of the evc :P)
The turbo now can? go, even if pi? you're far from 1.5 bar, more? allungherai his life.
The map of the power now goes well in the area, but 3Nm in pi? don't feel, however if you are not struggling too much, you can leave it cos?!
Then, since you have access to the files uploaded to the forum you can go to comb through the files of other maps and find the limiters of diesel...

[paolo159]

Hyrosat now the map the torque in the ignition is to be well as logic, even if for the experience, I will say that a 3% increase does not solve the problem (as mentioned by Sandro) even though it clearly ? better do some tests... have you tried charging it? you've solved the problem of the ignition?
a 3% as you have given you can? be good on the last column, and then to use the temp high, where the problem ? almost pi? this...the critical ones for our engine nevertheless remain in the range between -10 and 40 where you can give it calm mind is also a 6/7% (then you will realise from the evidence that in some points so well? it is not enough, but you go to step and do the tests ;-)
let me know how it goes in the car so I'll tell you how to proceed with the finishing touches

the times I've seen that scaled well the bp 70, 100, now you have to adapt the advances for those times and then by 1 / 1.5 degrees of increase on the last 2 columns (60 and 70) from 3000 rpm up for each of the 5 maps-injection phase.

[jacktheripper2]

Hyrosat now the map the torque in the ignition is to be well as logic, even if for the experience, I will say that a 3% increase does not solve the problem (as mentioned by Sandro) even though it clearly ? better do some tests... have you tried charging it? you've solved the problem of the ignition?
a 3% as you have given you can? be good on the last column, and then to use the temp high, where the problem ? almost pi? this...the critical ones for our engine nevertheless remain in the range between -10 and 40 where you can give it calm mind is also a 6/7% (then you will realise from the evidence that in some points so well? it is not enough, but you go to step and do the tests ;-)
let me know how it goes in the car so I'll tell you how to proceed with the finishing touches

the times I've seen that scaled well the bp 70, 100, now you have to adapt the advances for those times and then by 1 / 1.5 degrees of increase on the last 2 columns (60 and 70) from 3000 rpm up for each of the 5 maps-injection phase.

According to me 1.5 degrees with 100mm3 are too few, with that iq you need to get at least 3 degrees, but it depends on other factors. Then with lambda 1 in the top inietterai never 100mm3 with the turbine golds, then you can give up to 10 degrees in pi? at 4500 rpm on 100mm3 that so much of the ecu will not go? never reading that value. Advances should be reviewed also on the basis of the AFR that is used, an AFR of pi? the top allows you to have advances on the most? high while an AFR of pi? low you can have advances on the most? low, all this why? in an environment rich combustion occurs more? the faster an environment is 'poor'. From what I ? been taught, however, inject more than 4-5 degrees ATDC does not need almost anything to ****head of performance and only increases EGT and exhaust gas temperature. With a AFR of the top 16 for the best performance, instead, should be given a little bit more? of advance so as to inject at tdc from 3500 and up. With the turbine original? this AFR limit the amount? injected at a high rpm, then even if we have many degrees advance will never be read by the ecu.