Who will be the real ones?

[bravosport150]

Kids today, and after you have connected the EDF to my Fiat Bravo 1.9 150 HP, I wanted to take a look in the part relating to the service, and take a look at what I found:
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According to you how many Km should have my car?

From the outset I bought it used from a dealer who had it for about a 98000Km marked on the picture.

[tidus1985]

if the miles you see are the righteous go quiet that I have touched them, only that they have extended the km service in order not to have the mess on the display definitely, of course, always counting that have changed the odometer, but I don't think, you go to jail if you run out of certain things

[bravosport150]

then I have a doubt how do you see the voice service reports 2, here's the entry part 9 when the machine ? new and each time you reset the service, (then every 30000km) should climb up to reach zero. Here is cissome ? two means that they have reset the service 7 times and always if you do not have done it with less than 30000km means that 7x30000km= 210000km, while to me shows 119000km about...
it is just my reasoning?

[tidus1985]

be theoretically, the only thing to do ? look for the old owner and ask for clarification, even if I sincerely hope that there are no errors on the control service

[bravosport150]

the fact ? the machine I got it from a dealer who in turn had taken it from a socet? car hire in the north...no? I ? came the doubt.....
pu? be a particular that they forgot to change the ones that have lowered the km right?

[r6raven2010]

the fact ? the machine I got it from a dealer who in turn had taken it from a socet? car hire in the north...no? I ? came the doubt.....
pu? be a particular that they forgot to change the ones that have lowered the km right?

you could check in the system fiat, I need to do to have the license plate...

[carlo abarth]

in fact, the right thing, see the history of fiat!!

[bravosport150]

to whom do I give the plaque to check?

[legendaryslave]

see the odometer in the ecu, engine :cool:

[progress]

do check the history on linkentry but, in principle, not score them, nobody coupons on sigi, but see at least the miles over the warranty and the dates and make a comparison
then ec is the fact that if perhaps the car has always done short trips and as we know because of the dpf will degrade the oil, maybe have reset several times, both the degradation to which the service
the last thing that is often on new cars already I see the counter service 3 interventions and according to me they are reset more times on the yards, or dealerships to start the service at the kmetraggio of the delivery vehicle to the customer,then maybe now you find yourself with more service made

[bravosport150]

ahh ok understood, even if my fortunately, that did not dpf)

[r6raven2010]

mandamela pm me and I'll let you know... control, in principle, the historian of the car and let's see if we go back to km

[progress]

this because it was defappata but in the past we had!

[bravosport150]

had? but really? how do you see? how can I see if ? was defappata, below I have not noticed any dpf.
I knew that the euro4 were without the dpf then I was wrong?

Fiat ecu scan, however, does not make me do any of the options that involve the dpf, as if already? fes know that ? without the dpf, how can you? be?

but from the original map that I posted in the other post you can see if my car had the dpf?

progress you pm box is full you may free it up a bit?

guys but that voice that says: the distance from the last service 97800km, that means according to you?
The Cio? if fiat riculta who have done a reset to 30000km then 62000km and then I bought that had 97000km, and I carried her in fiat to 98000km with consequent reset 98000km, now has 119288km, which means that the item according to you?

guys, so what do you think?

[hyrosat]

Yep, but if they have also changed in odometroi kilometres there is a way to find out?

[ecuboost]

all you can? find out, if you want to be sure you go to one that repairs odometers, and if ? honest you say? if someone took the hands to? usually have the tendency to cover up, anyway in qst drive if you disassemble the framework, and see if there are welds strange, for clarification you need Nyo

[legendaryslave]

Yep, but if they have also changed in odometroi kilometres there is a way to find out?
if I make them I miss with the equipment of the nasa discover, if the job ? done right there is no way

[progress]

be careful what you say ec law that is clear, it is criminal!
then, for the speech that even nasa doesn't see the miles and all the fake producers of abs see parameters in the ecu (abs control unit that reads the miles by the sensors) that, even at the mother house (the automotive industry) and allowed let alone you and me with the various diagnosis ori and not
it, I saw that I had the opportunity to attend an expert opinion on the car that is accident-free request by a prosecutor, with parts of the adjoining: workshop,home, mother and producer of the abs system (the car and ended up in a ditch and ec ran away and almost died which has made a complaint to the judiciary because, he argued that the vehicle is not braked)

[legendaryslave]

be careful what you say ec law that is clear, it is criminal!
then, for the speech that even nasa doesn't see the miles and all the fake producers of abs see parameters in the ecu (abs control unit that reads the miles by the sensors) that, even at the mother house (the automotive industry) and allowed let alone you and me with the various diagnosis ori and not
it, I saw that I had the opportunity to attend an expert opinion on the car that is accident-free request by a prosecutor, with parts of the adjoining: workshop,home, mother and producer of the abs system (the car and ended up in a ditch and ec ran away and almost died which has made a complaint to the judiciary because, he argued that the vehicle is not braked)
you are absolutely right for love I do not doubt a single word, but if you do the work as it should engine, abs, body, instrumental also reading the former pure read what I wrote then there are segrati that I'm not here to explain, however, it is

[motorsport]

Quoto l'amico legend ago with no problems with a clean house!!:)

[rego88]

[bravosport150]

no no decrements and you confirm why? I did it last week when I did the cutting...has climbed to one.

[savek]

watch that works the opposite as you say...is 0, and when it comes to 9, does not make you more service and you have to reset it to 0 to start to reset the service

[bravosport150]

watch I am convinced of it why? as soon as I did the service for me has climbed one!

[panterargento]

do check the history on linkentry but, in principle, not score them, nobody coupons on sigi, but see at least the miles over the warranty and the dates and make a comparison
then ec is the fact that if perhaps the car has always done short trips and as we know because of the dpf will degrade the oil, maybe have reset several times, both the degradation to which the service
the last thing that is often on new cars already I see the counter service 3 interventions and according to me they are reset more times on the yards, or dealerships to start the service at the kmetraggio of the delivery vehicle to the customer,then maybe now you find yourself with more service made
Quoto fully ;)

[bravosport150]

but I have already? said that the amia has no DPF!

[panterargento]

but I have already? said that the amia has no DPF!

Even if you do not have the DPF, pu? be, however, that the coupons have the facts prior to maturity, and then pi? often, eliminating, however, the service, and this is very likely the coupons are not in line with the km and with the counter.
I also do not than ever to the service, and I do the cutting in half?, just not reset the service, maybe others as a habit, do it, and then you find yourself with the counter to zero.

[bravosport150]

[panterargento]

Don't worry, there are few retailers who climb, c'? the jail, then if the odometer is close to the km of the framework tools ? a pattern in pi? to bode well for the important ? the machine has no problem.
A friend of mine has an Alfa 146, 580000 miles, and he bought it that it had 140000, imagine if they came to him the doubts:)

[dantesfx]

Don't worry, there are few retailers who climb, c'? the jail, then if the odometer is close to the km of the framework tools ? a pattern in pi? to bode well for the important ? the machine has no problem.
A friend of mine has an Alfa 146, 580000 miles, and he bought it that it had 140000, imagine if they came to him the doubts:)

Very few are not, once ? enough to call to the dealership, opel of the area to know that a car coming from rome of 2007, I had the route in 2009 already? 60000km.
Last year (2012) it was on sale with 39000.

[gick]

To ****llo theoretical you believe so many things, is the fact that some trace always remains, I personally do not agree with the idea of bringing back the km and the sar? a service that does not metter? between my not why? I scare the criminal, but for my ethics, I do not buy new machines because? according to me makes no sense, if I think I'm going to buy a used convinced to buy a good product and then I have cheated, I think that I incavolerei a lot, here it is not pi? to remove a fap, of which I am totally convinced that the face pi? harm than good after having completed some studies, to remap an ecu to optimize the injection.
remove the km I mean just like a real scam.
I hope no one without offended by this post. in which case I apologize not being my intention to

[cristianbomberos]

[rosspigna]

Hello. The parameters that did you see this ? the actual mileage.
The number of the service ? true that v? to decrease and does not indicate that the force for cutting the need to make every 30000km.
In fact, in addition to the expiration kilometrica c'? the one-time (365 days).
But all of this keeps you in the shelter of a beautiful climbing km.
The serious professionals them climb in all units possible. A good survey would be to make an inquiry on the official website available from fiat dealerships.
If n? trust me. However, those engines NEVER end.... Those km if fully serviced properly ? under break-in.

[gick]

I have the chance? try to see it on the website of the fiat, if you want to pu? look but don't guarantee anything, you are still very loose to turn in to the portal fiat.

[ugoboss]

on the portal fiat you can get a feeling if they did all the service history at the dealer, or if you have made the calls out of warranty, otherwise the last I see.

[gick]

even with the warranty you have to give the miles to the fiat therefore? are also marked them.

[cristianbomberos]

But as it says in ugoboss only if the car ? back in the dealership and then you have to also see how much value ? past since the last inspection no?

[gick]

not ? the said law with the law of the mountains, the guarantees do all the workshops, not ? said that if you buy a fiat or a ford you have to go in their respective dealerships.

[cristianbomberos]

Exact ? what I was saying myself that often goes in the other workshops and not in the dealership (luckily) I do not want anyone who has an official dealer

[ugoboss]

not ? the said law with the law of the mountains, the guarantees do all the workshops, not ? said that if you buy a fiat or a ford you have to go in their respective dealerships.

a moment here you are making confusion with the law of the mountains you can go to the dealer even in shops generic provided that use original spare parts or equivalent and follow the whole procedure particular well, in that case them, the parent must recognize the guarantee that in every case you have to go to make it at home mother is not in the workshop in general.

[cristianbomberos]

Exact ? so that works with this law

[spatullo]

I would say that ? a custom rather. Here there are elettrauti specialized and c'? going by the dealership that makes my skin crawl.

Sorry I did not quote, I was referring to the bad habit of retailers used to scale the Km.

[gick]

no no ? true. now I open a new discussion why? here we are going off topic and there I copy paste the directive mountains, cos? we can discuss it together and interpret it to the best.

discussion ? a technical manual or workshop, it's called the law of the mountains. For those who want to continue to talk about it, can you? do the.

[racanacci]

Very few are not, once ? enough to call to the dealership, opel of the area to know that a car coming from rome of 2007, I had the route in 2009 already? 60000km.
Last year (2012) it was on sale with 39000.

ditto from my parts... unfortunately the mileage change much in the rating of the car!

[giary74]

I read the whole discussion, and I would also want to add my comments.
I speak from personal experience since? some time ago I bought a car with 69.000 Miles at a dealership in turin, with the agreement that I would have delivered a booklet of coupons.
Stressed out by my constant requests even after the retraction of the machine, the seller I would be greatly appreciated? the coveted booklet, which, after a brief examination, rivel? fake, or not relevant to my car.
Cos? they took the surveys, during which I found myself in the presence of impassable walls of omert? raised by all workers in the industry (authorized and not, elettrauti etc..), but, nevertheless, succeeded?? to prove that the car had already? path of 175,000 miles.
Scatenai the Hell! Of course, a lawyer, power of attorney, but not to the court why? in the meantime, those who had the warp the scam took cognition of the real problem and cos? it was arranged out of court. Pulled the old drive to which I had added 25,000 Km, I brought back the whole amount that I had paid for as well as? paid for the expenses of my lawyer. The end of the story.
Conclusion: the used vehicles they have almost all undergone a facelift to kilometers, ? one thing I would say, "institutional"; they could be put into practice various tricks to avoid this practice, but no one acts this way in order to avoid depressing even more? the market of the used car, and all the led connected to it.
Moral of the story, even in this case, as in life, we want to****!!!!

[gick]

bravo giary you have done well, even I, am against these changes, why? this ? our industry and we don't intend it to be, but if I was being cheated in another field, why? they are ignorant of the matter or not I have jurisdiction, I would get highly annoyed, I think that no one can afford to take advantage of the ignorance of someone, and they believe that you have satisfied from the moment that those changes will be in the penalty.