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paolo159
06-05-2013, 20:22
Hello all,
trying to follow the countless tips and analyzing the maps of the example found on the net I tried to make a map for my car, I'd like to get an opinion from the pi? experts here on the forum...
My intent in the implementation of the map ? to solve the famous problem of my panterona, dead at low revs to try to also give them a little bit more? of horses at rpm sustained.
I tried to keep the injection times are low enough so as to contain a little consumption (if I could reduce it further, I would not mind).
The changes to the map torque at start-up ? been suitably modified so as to prevent damage to the flywheel during start-up (I replaced the last month since? vibrated a lot and tore despite the clutch was not then so well? worn).
This latest change ? gi? been tested and I have to say that now the problem of vibration and strattonamenti in start-up ? resolved.
Regarding the map size limit of the fumes I have not touched anything since I don't really understand how they work..
I look forward to your comments, criticism and advice!!!!
I enclose ORI and MOD
legendaryslave
06-05-2013, 22:37
very soft like the map, but logic goes well you skipped a pressure turbo and a rail pressure for case, you have the dpf? the egr goes well, more could you ask for around here
paolo159
06-05-2013, 23:43
Hello legendaryslave,
thanks for your help!!! you ? true ? very soft, I didn't want to overdo it-at least initially since? being a beginner, I prefer to proceed in small steps, so initially I would like to understand the logic and then push a little more? with the increases.
The dpf I still have it even if I take it off short, for the turbo, and the rail revise and complete the missing map.
The values of the map turbo are designed as pressure goal? in that case, to find out what works the turbine should I remove about 1 bar right?
What other tips would you give to me to improve the map?
purchase
Any advice on how to change the map size limit smoke (threshold lambda upper and lower)? or advise me to leave them gold?
and as for the maps, the time of an overboost?
I can't find the maps of the rail and turbo that you told me...can you tell me where can I find it? quoteoftheday
SandroMarciano
07-05-2013, 11:02
the maps lamda if you have the dpf does not go under the 1130punti, for the rest you can be lowered up to that value. Consider that 1000 points is equivalent to 14.7/1 ratio afr, if you down the machine rigenerer? pi? frequently, but risulter? much more? ready!
mariodarkblue
07-05-2013, 11:45
SandroMarciano
07-05-2013, 12:11
From this dedic? you've found it! XD
However, he ? well that does not fall below 1130, otherwise he nailed the DPF.
mariodarkblue
07-05-2013, 12:33
PS: but six of Naples?
dvdtuning
07-05-2013, 13:18
Map rail address 1E6364
map turbo is just before those cha you moddato, view it in 2d.
Check the maps pedal, in particular the last curve.
legendaryslave
07-05-2013, 15:11
however quoto colleagues, but I do not recommend to close the egr and leave dpf-enabled with a map
tidus1985
07-05-2013, 21:02
map rail 1E6364 and map turbo 1E0EE8 are maps for the dpf, I don't think you should moddare, ammeno not want to performance even during regeneration :D
tidus, how do you recognize the different maps?
SandroMarciano
07-05-2013, 23:24
with the damos!
tidus1985
07-05-2013, 23:32
with the damos!
Quoto!!! And with the help of sandro, from whom I learned so very very much!!
but, only use winols true?
tidus1985
07-05-2013, 23:45
To map the use of the titanium, to read the damos winols and map3d
how do you find titanium? in 2d you the cables?
tidus1985
08-05-2013, 07:29
You are both the 2d tables, for some changes, I prefer the grid, for other 2d
dvdtuning
08-05-2013, 14:39
In the case of luca stanca serves moddarle or not? Welcome to the regenerations, however, nn occur the most??!
SandroMarciano
08-05-2013, 15:21
In the case of luca stanca serves moddarle or not? Welcome to the regenerations, however, nn occur the most??!
not ? essential, I recommend them above 1130, the value dpf why? otherwise you run the risk of having regenerations too frequently, but once removed you can? lower this value further (according to me to not have the smoke from the oil tanker ? good to keep around 1000. The machine gains a lot in readiness. I do it for? note that if you change the time of injection without any adaptation to the axes this the values will be inflated gi?, for what ? best if this is left original.
paolo159
08-05-2013, 20:28
thank you all guys for the valuable advice!!! will work? on the maps in order to decrease the values of lambda as suggested, and posters? the changes..
does anyone know how much it costs to labor, and who can I contact for the dpf removal in Turin? with straight-tube provided by me..
tidus1985
08-05-2013, 20:38
you would try gladly as I've already done but I still don't know defappare :D
paolo159
08-05-2013, 21:06
regarding the exclusion of the dpf from the map ? a problem, for the 159 ecusafe works well and not ? need to make other adjustments...
the problem ? the physical removal, if I had a place where to do it (even the garage) I could do by myself, I have already? several times, these kind of works, but unfortunately, here in Turin, I don't have a place where you can do that then I know I will have to? for strength to go to a mechanic unless someone of you does not want to give me a hand ;-)
regarding the exclusion of the dpf from the map ? a problem, for the 159 ecusafe works well and not ? need to make other adjustments...
the problem ? the physical removal, if I had a place where to do it (even the garage) I could do by myself, I have already? several times, these kind of works, but unfortunately, here in Turin, I don't have a place where you can do that then I know I will have to? for strength to go to a mechanic unless someone of you does not want to give me a hand ;-)
On that drive them to just put a straight pipe in and let us three holes
paolo159
09-05-2013, 20:57
of course...if I had a bridge or a place in which to do this operation, I would have already? made from time
Ask any mechanic don't think I ask for much
dvdtuning
09-05-2013, 21:25
not ? essential, I recommend them above 1130, the value dpf why? otherwise you run the risk of having regenerations too frequently, but once removed you can? lower this value further (according to me to not have the smoke from the oil tanker ? good to keep around 1000. The machine gains a lot in readiness. I do it for? note that if you change the time of injection without any adaptation to the axes this the values will be inflated gi?, for what ? best if this is left original.
I did not speak of the maps lambda, but the maps rail and turbo in the regeneration phase....
paolo159
09-05-2013, 21:55
carbo92 definitely make? cos? in fact... will try? a mechanic that I do not dissangui ;-)
dvdtuning thanks for the clarification...actually I had also realized the map lambda initially..
Just give yourself a little bit around and ask
SandroMarciano
09-05-2013, 22:41
I did not speak of the maps lambda, but the maps rail and turbo in the regeneration phase....
no, with luca stanca not serve as the machine does not use its own, but with the regenerations active I leave you deliberately ori after some experiences...
paolo159
10-05-2013, 09:47
of course, luca stanca the maps will never enter in the function...always that the luca stanca is done properly :-)
paolo159
11-05-2013, 11:21
Hi guys,
I am reviewing my map, but I still have some questions:
- the values of lambda at high rpm and loads are already? below the threshold of acceptability? that I have given, (1130 with dpf still active), I can decrease slightly the values between 1250 and 4000 rpm at low loads (between 250 and 550 nm) or the risk of smoking too much?
- what is the difference? between the two maps that the ecm indicates limiter fumosit? - threshold lambda upper and lower?
- what is it ? the maximum torque that can I apply security to the clutch/flywheel that fits the 159? (the flywheel and clutch replaced 2000 km ago)
- in what conditions come into play the two maps that ecm titanium indicates with the required torque to the functionality? sports A and B? my car does not have DNA so I don't know to what you refer exactly.
grazieeeeee
tidus1985
11-05-2013, 11:52
the maximum limit and the minimum limit, i.e. the range that can have a smoke; hence between the calculated minimum and maximum, of course
tidus1985
11-05-2013, 11:53
for the clutch and vlora goes consummation of the same according to me, a friend with 159 and mapa 170 hp the slide the clutch already, to me, with almost 170 non-slipping again, so you have to do the tests and see
mariodarkblue
11-05-2013, 12:06
for the clutch and vlora goes consummation of the same according to me, a friend with 159 and mapa 170 hp the slide the clutch already, to me, with almost 170 non-slipping again, so you have to do the tests and see
Guys..a lot is also the driving style...ALFA147 mjet 140hp with the flywheel and clutch original, 40kg of torque, 190cv not slide anything...
tidus1985
11-05-2013, 12:22
Guys..a lot is also the driving style...ALFA147 mjet 140hp with the flywheel and clutch original, 40kg of torque, 190cv not slide anything...
I hold dear the clutch helps, I have a friend that has problems with the cruise, the sled with the clutch when I set it to 140 and again from the 90's with 159, but c'? a map that adjusts the torque command from the cruise control?
paolo159
11-05-2013, 13:52
With regard to the maps lambda then croesus did it would be appropriate to decrease the minimum and increase the maximum so as to allow the motor greater excursion...so that will also have the opportunity to give more air and less fuel when the required torque has been reached... and correct my reasoning?
With the couple you should not try to exceed the maximum threshold of the range, and then to be made a gradual increase with a peak between 3000 and 3500 rpm after which? must decrease
paolo159
11-05-2013, 14:58
Carbo, I agree with you for the fact that the peak from the 3000/3500 rpm in doubt ensures a certain degree of reliability, and the fact of having to decrement after, they are not for the philosophy of those who say that they bring to the team once you have reached the max...so doing to riachia to kick some ass... if you ever were not able to exceed 5000 rpm, even with only the goal of max torque would be a disaster. ..poor valves
tidus1985
11-05-2013, 15:06
be a what ? limiter that is scuadra to lavoprare have the map with the pedal, for example, if the owner of the autro does not care to extend you do so, if the owner wants just to stretch more you need to auemtnare the pair to the high, there's nothing to do, working maps the pedal and limiters, if we work to the time of the inj will work on the timing relative to the pressures obtained with the maximum quanitta of fuel injection on those rides by interpolating the values of the times inj and map rail, then I see that at 4000 rpm to 80mm3 do 1600 ferment and then I go on the map timing inj to 80mm3, and 1600 bar, and do the most time injection, but I prefer to work traps, and maps the pedal, maybe moddando the break point, then ceeto if you want to climb so much but really so much then go change the time, then for a stretch you should also check the anticipia 4000-4500 rpm because they are often high affixed to brake the motor at those rpm's, the injections end up often before tdc, then you take away some of ancitipo as you ? increased time inj from the calculations as degrees
Carbo, I agree with you for the fact that the peak from the 3000/3500 rpm in doubt ensures a certain degree of reliability, and the fact of having to decrement after, they are not for the philosophy of those who say that they bring to the team once you have reached the max...so doing to riachia to kick some ass... if you ever were not able to exceed 5000 rpm, even with only the goal of max torque would be a disaster. ..poor valves
Gradual I do not intend to get off of the chiss? that
paolo159
11-05-2013, 15:19
Tidus in theory, your reasoning does not make a fold..but remain in the limits of the mechanics, if I made a map by calculating everything to perfection to give 35kg of torque at 5000 rpm, for example, surely I would be able to bring the engine over 6000 once thrown, if not appropriately limited... it is true that already the limit of the flow rate of the injectors is a brake but it would not be enough, and I could kick some ass.. that's why as you say you from house damage advances and high cutting torque limit and map the pedal.
Ps
Mine is not a criticism but only a reasoning...know that your suggestions are precious for me :-)
tidus1985
11-05-2013, 15:27
very hamper also cash advances, then you work those if you look at the map you have after the 5000 rpm, the torque request
paolo159
11-05-2013, 17:23
the exact advances are very high, and the torque request to zero are the limiter...? try to increase the torque in that range and to reduce the advances on show as it shoots away the valves from the bonnet :-)
tidus1985
11-05-2013, 19:26
certainly in this case, but of course I don't!! I always tend to give myself just a little to high, but if maps as map the the majority of people, which only increases the time it remains difficult to limit, you need to work to ensure that the rail and the map conversion, if you work to map the pedal and limiters you manage it as you want, unlock all limiters, torque limiting 500nma team and then you make the map the pedal how you want it, pairs up to 3500/4000 then descend a4000 and after until you get to 5200 gold, I personally I stop to 3500 because I'm not interested in the other?extension, 4000-4500-5000 do a 30 ina nm metro more right if I need to, with advances +1 to 4500 so by ever a brake in, even if the increase in the diesel fuel injected through a maps the pedal, and then injection timing, but in such a way that the ecu calculations
paolo159
11-05-2013, 20:35
Tidus you dont do it why? work in another logic, and I must say that your way of working I like, I also prefer to reason in the same way, many to? work backwards, and see that beautiful damage that they create :-)
guys here is my map with some additional fine-tuning on the basis of your advice...what do you think?
tidus1985
12-05-2013, 01:02
also post ori file
paolo159
12-05-2013, 01:28
c'? also in the first post tidus, anyway here it is
SandroMarciano
12-05-2013, 10:55
the machine is limited to the high mainly because? the turbine from 3000rpm onwards, must necessarily fall, and then you have the peak torque at 3000rpm, and the maximum power at 4500, the fact of giving more? diesel to the high is to try to gather a few horses more? in spite of the pressure of the air is decreasing.
to work around this problem, you could change the management of the turbo, maybe by changing the same to increase the flow rate of the air, touching the map that manages the variable geometry ? can enhance or reduce the decline after 3000 rpm?
tidus1985
12-05-2013, 11:07
guys here is my map with some additional fine-tuning on the basis of your advice...what do you think?
4008
view,
so let's start with maps from the pedal, are not consistent, you made one different from the other, remember that it uses only 1, ammeno you do not have a button type DNA, increases torque to 0 and 400 to 1000 rpm, not the year the sense, at the maximum at 1250 if you want to senitre a little more ready to low, but I would not give much to ensure the longevity of the clutch, it would begin to change from the 50% of the pedal in the on ammeno you do not want the effect of the sprint booster; Torque limiter, ask for little, you can raise even more ? only a limiter, there are better maps to restrict the type that smokes, try to start from 1500 rpm up before ? useless and harmful, but still ? a limiter therefore does not create problems at low speed; the first and second gear,first ok, second can you give a little more of the increase that you've given that I feel so com -'?, map smoke, you have increased the minimum measured air that low, just arriivare already less than the destination load pedal that already rises to 800mg of air, and ? better to lower it slightly to high and so low does not smoke, according to me, the Map conversion iq useless to touch for the type of mod that you did then you moddato the sexione 450-500nm, which even you get there because of the limiters of diesel fuel that did not touch, the bottom not even agree moddarla since you have already moddato maps the pedal; map times, if you want a little more performance by at least 7-8%, with 4% feel little difference, and the parts of the a20-30mm3, first I don't know what they need because you have already touched on the maps pedal for that quantity of diesel, you would increase 2-fold; turbo ok, limiters ok, I would take them to 2600 mbar; map rail can go increments low, but that's ok, I personally varrivo always at 1680 max but everyone does as he wants, limiters rail increases all values of the stssa quantity, are limiting so much. I would say that not c'? the other, however, the logic c'? you just have to understand how to intervene in the relationship between the map and the other, because every map goes to read the other
ok tidus excellent explanation as always :cool: great!
SandroMarciano
12-05-2013, 11:42
to work around this problem, you could change the management of the turbo, maybe by changing the same to increase the flow rate of the air, touching the map that manages the variable geometry ? can enhance or reduce the decline after 3000 rpm?
no, you can? solve, but what? doing we should decrease the life of the turbine, in order to have a shot at 4000rpm (good) you have to mount the turbine on the pi? big (especially on the discharge side) and have a system of injection is effective, of which this car? ? gi? with the series...
I have a friend who reviews the change and creates from the full-turbochargers and parts attached to them, there are certain parameters to be respected in order not to have problems, for a hypothetical change of the turbine to the original, he performs processing of the 2 nuts, intake and exhaust, replacing the original post with a titanium treated specially and sotituisce all components such as bearings and bushings, "cos? they are called" with other over-sized, in addition, the transfer of the oil that lubricates the spindle, is completely revised and optimized, in this way, for example on the drive in question you can? safely hold a pressure of 2.5 bar constant with a peak of up to 2.8, not bad I would say, logically, the system intake and exhaust system needs to be revised and optimized to the best to be able to exploit the full potential of the turbo
tidus1985
12-05-2013, 12:24
I have changed the map how would I do soft for the type of mod to be times that you want to do, see how I did it, let's say that ? generic more or less
SandroMarciano
12-05-2013, 16:14
I have a friend who reviews the change and creates from the full-turbochargers and parts attached to them, there are certain parameters to be respected in order not to have problems, for a hypothetical change of the turbine to the original, he performs processing of the 2 nuts, intake and exhaust, replacing the original post with a titanium treated specially and sotituisce all components such as bearings and bushings, "cos? they are called" with other over-sized, in addition, the transfer of the oil that lubricates the spindle, is completely revised and optimized, in this way, for example on the drive in question you can? safely hold a pressure of 2.5 bar constant with a peak of up to 2.8, not bad I would say, logically, the system intake and exhaust system needs to be revised and optimized to the best to be able to exploit the full potential of the turbo
that the basis used to arrive at (2.5 bar) constant? and before you ruin?
I are generally pessimistic about the processing of the turbines, are an organ pi? complex than it seems, it is not enough to widen a bit the pipes, put a impeller pi? big then maybe you get to the chock of the speaker...
has a its internet web site and is preparations also very high, the balancing ? made from a base of 300,000 rpm to 400,000 for those pi? pushed to the opposite of many is made 2 times, only the first post and then the entire core axes, I'll just tell him that he has a dobl? with 2.5 bar constants and 300,000 miles, never a problem ;-)
cicciogsr
12-05-2013, 20:22
very hamper also cash advances, then you work those if you look at the map that you have after 5000 rpm, the torque required ?0
with the criterion laid down that the original value of advances limits the power? for me ? a consideration not credible... the designer has imposed those values to inject at least 75 mm^3 in the useful range of combustion that can afford to turn on the flow injected without fumosit? without the production of unburned and according to a suitable motor? the noise... the accounts will not come back, and you seem to have a greater? high why? anyone who tells you that are not in p? high to continue to inject some degree after the tdc?.... now if we increase the flow rate within a determiato range is not c'? need to adapt them otherwise ? must ... play turbo pressure must also be good for? not always ? enough depends on what you want to get... the advance ? an ugly beast, if out of control you trvi von cylinder pressures and exhaust temperatures that long can cause damage... especially to the exhaust manifolds ... all accompanied by a nice foot f? a nice salad..
it also builds the impellers suction in a variety of materials including ergal, obtained from the full ;-) ask tidus, he saw some of his work, are works of art
tidus1985
12-05-2013, 20:40
and true, they work fine, also, change the oil pipes to adapt lubrication and cooling to the new effort, which turns the turbine, has a shop very well stocked and serious.
cicciogsr
12-05-2013, 21:33
next you are at it post a link cos? we can all see, no?
and true, they work fine, also, change the oil pipes to adapt lubrication and cooling to the new effort, which turns the turbine, has a shop very well stocked and serious.
even I was skeptical as sandro but after seeing person in a coma is working, I changed my mind in the heck ? a true artist in what he does
next you are at it post a link cos? we can all see, no?
you can't? for regulation, it would be advertising?
a few photos of his creations
paolo159
13-05-2013, 00:49
* Final fantasy x: very clear and helpful, as always! thank you so much for your advice and criticism on the map...unfortunately I can not still download the map with the changes I've made then it should? wait to your messages :-)
In the meantime, applicher? your advice to try to make a better map, I promise that as soon as the avr? way download your the try for sure :-P
Tidus as soon as you have a moment take a look at this, should be better
SandroMarciano
13-05-2013, 10:39
I think I know who you are referring, but I have opinions which are very contrasting, and I repeat, a turbine should not be beautiful, but functional, to design a turbine doesn't just go on feeling. Often produce assurdit? even the most prominent manufacturers, so when we talk about processing are always skeptical, even why? to make a good turbine is not just the balancing, but many of the tests in the laboratory...
SandroMarciano
13-05-2013, 10:51
1E73B8 what ?, or better what do you think?
the first map with the lambda ? changed in a positive way, I think you face a line of reasoning wrong, try to bring it to 1500punti, then you realize how it works...
The rail according to me ? useless as edit, 1 why? don't need it, 2 why? just in case you change especially in the last columns.
The times I leave them gold and I would try to look for the limiters. Then torque limiters bass and pedal down...
paolo159
13-05-2013, 15:46
Hello Sandro,
1e73b8 ? the torque during the power-on ? a change that is ? necessary since? my 159 ? one of those who had problems of difficult starting in cold.... after changing the setting in motion ? pi? adjust.. I took inspiration from the two maps, a 159 2.4, where the problem was much more? accented.. I found a gold with the problem, and a gold aggirnata alpha where they had changed those curves.
with regard to the map lambda I have thought so?: if you increase the map threshold to the max, and decrease the min threshold do with the machine pi? excursion with values of lambda in such a way that if the required torque ? been reached is expected to reduce the power consumption with the greater amount? of air in relation to fuel...
? a reasoning wrong? if it is how should I modify them?
ok time them put? ori, I see the rail... are you referring to the lim fuel?
lim torque and pedal low deliberately in this first map...so the map and understood well the operation will increase? yet :-)
thanks a lot for your help!
SandroMarciano
13-05-2013, 16:21
Hello Sandro,
1e73b8 ? the torque during the power-on ? a change that is ? necessary since? my 159 ? one of those who had problems of difficult starting in cold.... after changing the setting in motion ? pi? adjust.. I took inspiration from the two maps, a 159 2.4, where the problem was much more? accented.. I found a gold with the problem, and a gold aggirnata alpha where they had changed those curves.
with regard to the map lambda I have thought so?: if you increase the map threshold to the max, and decrease the min threshold do with the machine pi? excursion with values of lambda in such a way that if the required torque ? been reached is expected to reduce the power consumption with the greater amount? of air in relation to fuel...
? a reasoning wrong? if it is how should I modify them?
ok time them put? ori, I see the rail... are you referring to the lim fuel?
lim torque and pedal low deliberately in this first map...so the map and understood well the operation will increase? yet :-)
thanks a lot for your help!
I'm glad that the map of the ignition has been modified consciously, are often changed why? exchange for who knows? which map of the diesel...
The maps lambda, I did some further testing yesterday, why? also I believed that it worked as you said yourself, so I have set the map, "high lambda" in order to have 20/1 and the other I left the original result, the machine was a sewer, it went slowly, then all together eplodeva, so I looked better the damos, and I realized that the first one works with a given flow of fuel, the second with another, so I think the best thing to do is to modify both in the same way.
For the limiters I meant to say that you have to find the limiters of diesel, there are at least 2 active.
The couple right at the beginning you have to give more?, otherwise you will not make even the account if the change has worked or if it still lacks some limiter...
mariodarkblue
13-05-2013, 17:29
Hello, I try to give my humble contribution...I have the same engine, on bravo...
then, the pedal, you have asked for as little as nothing...? really almost ori...
lim torque pu? go, but you still margin...
maps lambda, as gi? from said sandro, are wrong
pressure turbo, I would some point...cos? I know that ? a p? altina
rail pressure, return it to the original up to 2500 rpm (the pump is the hp runs on the distribution, and ciuccia power...if you ask her more pressure, she will absorb? most power)
you have to find the two lim IQ...
PS this machine still has the swirl in the intake manifold?
I think I know who you are referring, but I have opinions which are very contrasting, and I repeat, a turbine should not be beautiful, but functional, to design a turbine doesn't just go on feeling. Often produce assurdit? even the most prominent manufacturers, so when we talk about processing are always skeptical, even why? to make a good turbine is not just the balancing, but many of the tests in the laboratory...
take a look at the messages, I do not think it is who you say, then if you do trade, and you're better than him ? another story, I have personally seen some of his work and talked with guys who have performed interventions with him, I don't like to talk about hear-say,I love to touch and see things in person
SandroMarciano
13-05-2013, 18:17
take a look at the messages, I do not think it is who you say, then if you do trade, and you're better than him ? another story, I have personally seen some of his work and talked with guys who have performed interventions with him, I don't like to talk about hear-say,I love to touch and see things in person
was what I thought!
I am not a competitor, of course I do not produce or modify the turbines, but I'm now following a course of turbomachines, and l? I realized the number of parameters that affect the operation of a turbine/compressor, well above what you can? to get a single craftsman, both for knowledge and for equipment for the experimentation and the calculation... For this I prefer to take a turbine official that I know exactly the operation that avr?, when andr? in the surge and in the chock, in short, I prefer to spend 200€ in the pi? but have a product that I know how it works and how to make it work...
Hello all,
trying to follow the countless tips and analyzing the maps of the example found on the net I tried to make a map for my car, I'd like to get an opinion from the pi? experts here on the forum...
My intent in the implementation of the map ? to solve the famous problem of my panterona, dead at low revs to try to also give them a little bit more? of horses at rpm sustained.
I tried to keep the injection times are low enough so as to contain a little consumption (if I could reduce it further, I would not mind).
The changes to the map torque at start-up ? been suitably modified so as to prevent damage to the flywheel during start-up (I replaced the last month since? vibrated a lot and tore despite the clutch was not then so well? worn).
This latest change ? gi? been tested and I have to say that now the problem of vibration and strattonamenti in start-up ? resolved.
Regarding the map size limit of the fumes I have not touched anything since I don't really understand how they work..
I look forward to your comments, criticism and advice!!!!
I enclose ORI and MOD
Hi Paul, I also 159_150CV she too suffers problems of drowsiness at the low end, what software do you use to map? give me some advice?
Greetings hyrosat
casserole dish! he then explains what kind of problems have you heard about his work, I up until now I've only heard positive opinions but I tend to think of every possible witness is supported by the facts, logically, to the speech of the turbine drivers, it depends on the manufacturer, just yesterday I spoke with a guy the owner of a bmw 320d that fits the kkk, it has changed 3 in 50,000 km after the change is made by him and has more? had no problems, maybe ? been lucky, but personally luck there I think just
Another thing, but the setting files of map3d and the ecm titanium drivers have the same function? which software ? pi? precise?
Thanks
paolo159
13-05-2013, 18:30
hello Mario
thanks for your contribution! will I still have the swirl in the manifold...I'm not sure I want to delete it, the 159 ? gi? quite sluggish at low revs because of its weight, I do not want that then you highlight the problem.. to be good, should I replace the manifold with a gi? without swirl, but not I can afford it at the moment ;-)
With regard to the fap instead it take? days
where can I find the two lim iq of whom you speak?
In the meantime, I have made the changes on the basis of your advice!
- correct map rail
- correct lambda
- lim torque increased slightly
- map turbo increments are taken to a max of 100 points
- increases in map pedal
- times gold for the time being...we work best trying to calcolarmi good times
SandroMarciano
13-05-2013, 18:32
the bmw have always had problems with turbines, in workshop c'? the x5 with mitsupishi fried perch? they had put little oil 10w40 and had made obstructions at the entrance... the negative opinions I have heard, but given that they are "reportedly" does not allow me to bring them back to...
Now we return IT, otherwise we throw out...
on re-reading I realize I have gone very off topic, I apologize to paul, heeheh I always drag from some of the arguments, or rather
SandroMarciano
13-05-2013, 18:37
...
now I don't have time to look at the map, but the timing ori will not use them all, and if you just need a map stock you can safely leave them gold, you need to? find the surge flow rate, is found right after the torque limiter, there are 2, one is a function of a factor, consider that an axis is presented as the pedal. the other ? in function of the water temperature.
the bmw have always had problems with turbines, in workshop c'? the x5 with mitsupishi fried perch? they had put little oil 10w40 and had made obstructions at the entrance... the negative opinions I have heard, but given that they are "reportedly" does not allow me to bring them back to...
Now we return IT, otherwise we throw out...
ok, sandro, I love to feel both of the bells, and I think it is right, thanks for the info end ot ;-)
paolo159
13-05-2013, 20:19
quiet garret is no problem for the OT ;-)
sandro, thanks for the tips, I see now if I can find the limiters that you say you..
Guys I made a tour with the diagnosis connected, it seems to me that the fix injectors is a bit high...maybe I should make him a nice cleaning...what do you think? I attach the log
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tidus1985
13-05-2013, 20:32
photos are resized nn reads nothing
paolo159
13-05-2013, 20:57
I have attached the file in a rar
tidus1985
13-05-2013, 21:09
provam to clean them with a product, most of the times it works, but to be proven cleaning ultrasonic or at the end of the recalibration is to tour, but in my opinion just a cleaning
paolo159
13-05-2013, 21:16
ok thanks tidus, I also think that it is enough to clean even why? to tell the truth do not give particular problems for the moment...often when you starano see it from the minimum.
which product do you recommend?
some time ago I tried on the 147 a product of bardhal it seems to me but was not very effective
paul try the diesel kleen in the powerservice I have found it very good
I like the product, recommend the ceramic powerliquid in my opinion the best :)
paolo159
13-05-2013, 22:55
ok guys, I see if I can find any of these on sale in the shops of the area, otherwise I order from ebay
SandroMarciano
14-05-2013, 09:06
yes, the injector 4 is not good, see if you solve with additives (but I doubt) in the case of turn review...
tidus1985
14-05-2013, 09:26
A little question ot, but if you are not tara a injector that also corrects to 3, which is the risk?
paolo159
14-05-2013, 09:41
ok, Sandro, I also had doubts on the 4...I hope to solve with additives ...
I'd be curious too, I like Tidus to know what happens if you are not tara a primer that corrects a +3/-3
SandroMarciano
14-05-2013, 10:48
splitting do not split anything, at least on the short term and finch? the corrections do not exceed 5mm^3/i, long go of the vibrations that are created by this imbalance can break it up to fatigue the shaft modote for example, but we talk about edge cases... and in any case affect the performance...
paolo159
14-05-2013, 13:44
in the afternoon I see if I can take the additive and in the meantime I have also a jump from my mechanic and I have an idea of what is required by cos? the maximum I'll do a nice cleaning on all 4, which doesn't hurt :-)
paolo159
14-05-2013, 21:57
guys a few posts ago I asked for a hand to find the 2 lim iq of which I had spoken, but surely my question ? lost :-)
who can help me?
purchase
tidus1985
14-05-2013, 22:09
Looking good, sonon3 in all , the first one that you find has the shape of a knife with so many teeth, all of after the lim torque, the second ? similar to the torque limiter and the third ? similar to the prjmo, the second and the third are side-by-side
paolo159
14-05-2013, 22:18
Final fantasy x, the first there are several maps that are similar but none seems to me to be a lim iq unless the conversion factor is different from 1...
for the second and third I don't see maps that are similar to the lim of a couple.
which one ? the conversion factor?
mariodarkblue
14-05-2013, 22:25
Not c and factor conv...are directly mm3 enters in the topicke I opened...so nn disperse information...
paolo159
14-05-2013, 22:46
ok mario..what topic? the one on edc16?
SandroMarciano
15-05-2013, 07:39
now I don't have time to look at the map, but the timing ori will not use them all, and if you just need a map stock you can safely leave them gold, you need to? find the surge flow rate, is found right after the torque limiter, there are 2, one is a function of a factor, consider that an axis is presented as the pedal. the other ? in function of the water temperature.
guys a few posts ago I asked for a hand to find the 2 lim iq of which I had spoken, but surely my question ? lost :-)
who can help me?
purchase
I few posts ago I said...
paolo159
15-05-2013, 10:41
following your suggestions, unfortunately, are not able to find anything expressed in values that may reflect the mm3...
in the meantime, by analyzing the map I found these two maps, at first sight, seem familiar:
the first one starts from 1c1f86
the second starts from 1c30e8
would you know what they stand for?
tidus1985
15-05-2013, 21:36
no need to do it, you are committing then I'll give you a clue, the first one ? 1cc014, then the other 2 you can find more forward after the torque limiters of the various gears, one ? 1x12 the other ? similar to what I have posted to the address, the help you have given, now you have to find them alone, well I have a floor plan so, if you look at my topic of 147 sandro had given me many useful info, give us a eye, maybe the addresses will be some access on split-level, but if you look at the 2d limiters are really identical
SandroMarciano
15-05-2013, 22:08
no need to do it, you are committing then I'll give you a clue, the first one ? 1cc014, then the other 2 you can find more forward after the torque limiters of the various gears, one ? 1x12 the other ? similar to what I have posted to the address, the help you have given, now you have to find them alone, well I have a floor plan so, if you look at my topic of 147 sandro had given me many useful info, give us a eye, maybe the addresses will be some access on split-level, but if you look at the 2d limiters are really identical
in fact, then you just need a little bit of elasticity?, if you know what to expect, the geometry of curves and roughly where they can be...
paolo159
15-05-2013, 23:54
thanks Tudis! tonight seemed a bit absent from the forum, but I assure you that I'm working on the map :-P
paolo159
16-05-2013, 02:08
guys but if I wanted to start working on tinj climbing the breakpoint to get a 100mm^3 from what I understand the values of 80 pass in the curve of the current 60, 60 in the 40 etc... recalculating the last curve for the 100.
I have to climb all the curves up to 0.20, or I will stop first?
SandroMarciano
16-05-2013, 10:39
In theory, just take only the last 100, then if you feel that strattona also change some intermediate value
mariodarkblue
16-05-2013, 10:50
I was on my own I did like x 2.4 mjet...I 40 70 100...
paolo159
16-05-2013, 17:54
ok, thanks guys!
ricalcoler? for good times later, for the moment, I have again changed my map following all of your suggestions, including the limiters..
what do you think?
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tidus1985
16-05-2013, 18:14
limiters ok you found them all, tell me why increases in the map the pedal to 0-400-1000, what benefits it brings you if you don't let out before the clutch, then I would increase by at least 40-50% of the pedal in the on ammeno, as I said in predendenza you want the effect of the acceleration to a minimum of gas, but consumera even more, times not to touch them because you sbloccatori limiters, works only limiters and maps the pedal not to cheat the ecu, the map conversion iq not to touch it 100mm3 are more than enough, of course you can ask more if you want but if the map ? well-made enough and they advance, the advances they've barely touched, limiter, turbo, require pressures that do not arrive to 1.5 bar and then put the limiter at 1.7? I will be able to dodge a 1.6 to be on the safe side, a rail so you kept very low this can go, but know that if when you change the breakponit does not change the bp of the rail increases, pressure to give you the fuel that you have, before bringing it to 100mm3 had asked me even 1800bar pressure, once moddati the bp of this, and its limiters based on the diesel I have had most of these problems.
pens are all more or less on my part
tidus1985
16-05-2013, 18:15
p.s. the second limiter to bring it all up to 11000 as the other ;)
paolo159
16-05-2013, 18:42
Grazietidus of the advice..will work to fix it.. the map torque in acceleration I touched so down simply to a matter of personal taste :-) I like that it is responsive to low...? actually, you are right with regard to the 0-1000 better to bring it to the ori..otherwise goodbye clutch..
I just tried the map and I like it very much, unlocked those lim has changed a lot pero now I have a problem.. error p168 in diagnosis.. duel temperatures too high.. he did it shortly after I reached the 90 degree of the time and engine at about 2500 rpm.. unfortunately I did not have a diagnosis connected to the test then I don't know what happened. Any idea?
mariodarkblue
16-05-2013, 19:10
*tidus...you know that what you say is not ? can?also by not updating the bp of the rail, the ecu could not? go beyond the prex set in the map...
tidus1985
16-05-2013, 19:10
is the limiter of diesel fuel based on temp, modda limiter to 11000 up to 1CC0B2 including, 1CF404 c'? an error MUST be ori, system these two things, you see that the error will go away
tidus1985
16-05-2013, 19:11
*tidus...you know that what you say is not ? can?also by not updating the bp of the rail, the ecu could not? go beyond the prex set in the map...
in fact, strange mario, but to me he has done this work, you remember I was talking on the other thread, when I climbed the map rail, sara was maybe a peak or an error of fes, but so was riposrtato on the log
mariodarkblue
16-05-2013, 19:25
paolo159
16-05-2013, 19:52
ok Tidus, correct 1cf404 and 1cc0b2.
How ? that limiter genres that error? even after I have written around 2700 rpm has had a failure, as if cut cleanly the fuel...
pi? later, I try again to upload it with the fixes, in the meantime, if I can apply the other tips you gave me :-)
tidus1985
16-05-2013, 20:15
be in effect for 100mm3 of diesel fuel, he interpolates, has no value, then there could be arrived for interpolation
ok Tidus, correct 1cf404 and 1cc0b2.
How ? that limiter genres that error? even after I have written around 2700 rpm has had a failure, as if cut cleanly the fuel...
pi? later, I try again to upload it with the fixes, in the meantime, if I can apply the other tips you gave me :-)
because those maps are for the wing temperature, and then ? normal, the test with the correct maps
mariodarkblue
16-05-2013, 20:54
*tidus...but what to interpolate?that she knows that the max pressure that can? give ? 1600...
paolo159
16-05-2013, 23:51
Tidus map tested, and the error disappeared...now not from pi? no problem!
the disbursement ? very clearly, keeping in mind that this is a map and soft, the ear? cos? at least finch? I do not remove the dpf then we can optimize it even more :-)
paolo159
16-05-2013, 23:51
and now I pass to the other 3d! let's see if I can give my own contribution to discover more maps on the edc16 :-)
SandroMarciano
17-05-2013, 09:24
I I were you I would make an eye at the average distance each regeneration, cos? you dimezzer? in a short time, then I sincerely straight lines above the limiters don't like it, if the engine is to be outside the optimal temperature range, there must be a limiter in a diesel, otherwise you risk to break everything...
paolo159
17-05-2013, 15:58
Sandro even I like very much...even though the car is going good I do not good night's sleep, not have those limiters...I generally am opposed also to pull the line straight on the lim couple figured those of diesel fuel.
Increments I advice to give on those limiters? a 15/16% do you think that will be a good increase?
paolo159
17-05-2013, 17:22
Sandro I tried to correct the lim IQ by making increments of about 15%..
do you think that may work in this way?
here are the changes
mariodarkblue
17-05-2013, 18:49
I'll answer you...
Then...the pedal I don't like...go too low and have too little where you should ask for more?...
egr ok
lim couple...for me more could you ask for
first IQ in ftemp...wrong...you have increased %...you can see that you have not understood the function: it limits the IQ depending on the temperature, it makes no sense to change it cos?, edit it only where you need it the cio? where before it was at the highest value, we insert the new values! cmq I, we draw a straight line...schools of thought...
lambda can go
map conversion NM/IQ-why? have you modified?not needed...? already climbing to 100mm3 and 50kg of torque
the speech of the other two lim diesel...see above...
advances: you gave half the maximum degree, and from 1000giri. and gi? with iq 35mm3....change only the last column, and the parts to be 3000 rpm...
the injection times..there we are...increases only the last column...that of the 80mm3...and calcolali to 100mm3
prez turbo, ok...
lim turbo, alzalo a hair
prex rail is not to be...increases to be revving higher (absorbs power pump hp) and iq can be higher...let's say 60mm3
lim rail: alzali a hair
blocks the swirl open the map...I explained how to do this...
paolo159
17-05-2013, 20:45
Mario, thanks for your advice!!!
to map the pedal to speak of torque in standard conditions or acceleration? what you don't like, or both?
Mario for the times I can do as I told someone a long time ago? do I copy the times 40/70/100 and related advances of the 2.4 ?
mariodarkblue
17-05-2013, 21:01
The maps pedal you'll need to increase to be higher as a percentage..and do all the same...x times do as I have already explained...advances by a degree and a half in the column of the 80mm3 ..
paolo159
17-05-2013, 21:10
Ok Mario work and place the changes...
what are the risks of which he spoke, Sandro in the IQ team ?
mariodarkblue
17-05-2013, 21:18
Look..I I keep them in my team...let's say ke if t salt t engine and you do not notice, the ecu t put in the recovery...and alimite you turn off the car...a team ovviame you no...but personally I think ke before getting to much..the engine and good ke roasted...and I make them a team...
paolo159
17-05-2013, 21:21
so let's say that the risks are there if you go beyond the canonical 90's? so to speak..right? if the risk ? only one of them carry all the team
mariodarkblue
17-05-2013, 22:42
Go quiet to the team...
paolo159
18-05-2013, 01:31
Guys I have made all of the fixes suggested by Mario, give it a look?
the only thing that I have not yet touched are the swirl, the make? then why? I would like to understand what changes to ****s decline in performance at the low so far? the evidence when the avr? a little bit of time ******.
Today I received the tube luca stanca then to days remove? the dpf :-)
mariodarkblue
18-05-2013, 11:37
Guys I have made all of the fixes suggested by Mario, give it a look?
the only thing that I have not yet touched are the swirl, the make? then why? I would like to understand what changes to ****s decline in performance at the low so far? the evidence when the avr? a little bit of time ******.
Today I received the tube luca stanca then to days remove? the dpf :-)
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then...continue...
maps pedal...do not change the values of the low percentage of throttle ...change from 30% onwards, otherwise the car will be? very ready, but nervous, and will consume more?...
lim first and second, you can easily make the same to others
advances ok
the injection times ok, but parts prex rail high
ok prail, raises the limiters...also here you can make a team...
paolo159
18-05-2013, 16:43
Ok Mario, thanks again for the advice and the time you're devoting to it ;-)
- maps the pedal to the correct increases by 30%, I also correct in some points of the irregularity? in the provision...then as the correct? on what I see in the guide
- the times of injection pressures, I advice you to leave?
- limiters rail increased
You're probably asking yourself why? I do very small adjustments from time to time instead of going directly to the acceptable values? well let's just say that for me ? a way to learn more about the operation, why? cos? every time I touch a little thing I'm going to refit all the maps related
paolo159
18-05-2013, 17:53
I also increased the time of the penultimate column from 60 to 70 mm^3 so now I have 40-70-100
mariodarkblue
18-05-2013, 17:57
Ok Mario, thanks again for the advice and the time you're devoting to it ;-)
- maps the pedal to the correct increases by 30%, I also correct in some points of the irregularity? in the provision...then as the correct? on what I see in the guide
- the times of injection pressures, I advice you to leave?
- limiters rail increased
You're probably asking yourself why? I do very small adjustments from time to time instead of going directly to the acceptable values? well let's just say that for me ? a way to learn more about the operation, why? cos? every time I touch a little thing I'm going to refit all the maps related
Hello...for the time parts from at least 600bar,... for the rest go;)
SandroMarciano
19-05-2013, 09:31
Hello...for the time parts from at least 600bar,... for the rest go;)
in my absence, Mario has responded perfectly to everything, precisely, only that according to me, the limiter is of no use the line is fried, why? the performance remain those, even lifting the correct values.
Then do not agree even on the lambda, according to me, are too low in some places and high in others, then it lacks a limiter, diesel...
paolo159
20-05-2013, 01:48
thanks Sandro, prover? to fix the maps lambda... which limiter diesel is missing?
paolo159
20-05-2013, 20:24
Sandro I tried to touch up the map, lambda, for now I only done labda top guisto to understand if ? well done, if you give me confirmation that accommodates even the lower
look at your opinion! also to anyone else who wants to, I think I shall, of course ;-)
SandroMarciano
20-05-2013, 22:01
paolo159
20-05-2013, 23:25
but if you notice in my map are below lambda=1 in the bottom right and in fact I have forgiven ori...
what do you mean by adjust the axis?
SandroMarciano
21-05-2013, 13:34
your lambda know that they are in the source above the unit?, but count that ori, you'll never have so much fuel to get a afr so? low, perhaps only for a brief moment. Instead, when when you remap a increases, especially diesel fuel, and much less than the flow rate of the air ? easy to turn fat and then clog soon the dpf.
paolo159
21-05-2013, 14:21
in source to a high rpm also come to 0,840 in a few spots but in fact, when you made me notice that the maps lambda was not going well at that point I left ori.
what I don't understand ? why? in the map, the lambda that you've attached you have incremented the points that originally were under 1.
SandroMarciano
21-05-2013, 14:49
I have increased why? originally, the ecu does not get to those ****lli, as, however, the air blown ? much higher, however, when when you remap a much higher diesel fuel and little air, so to avoid that the drive is fat in the shortest possible time, it also increases those cells (basically, we have this problem for the dpf...
For the axis I advise you to change it why? for example by giving 10% at the time of injection, the value 80mm^3 is not will match? pi? that value, but much more?...
paolo159
21-05-2013, 19:53
Ok now ? all pi? clear Sandro :-)
the dpf on the take? to days so I can gi? prepare the map, lambda, considering the fact not to have more?..in this case one can? to go well as I modified it?
which limiter IQ is missing? I have changed 3...do you know someone else?
SandroMarciano
21-05-2013, 22:28
for the lambda after removed the dpf regulated to smoke, consider that go far below the stoichiometric ratio is not needed...
the limiter that is missing ? *1cc0f8
paolo159
21-05-2013, 23:20
ok, Sandro, then for the moment I leave open the map lambda sinche not remove the dpf...
that limiter I have increased now...? IQ as a function of the pedal? take a look if done in that way can? be good...cos? maybe riadatto the others had done to the team
SandroMarciano
22-05-2013, 09:15
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8510/limitatoregasolioffacto.png
change in the area highlighted ? the one that the machine uses when ? in the optimal conditions of operation, for the explanation see in the post from mario "edc16c impariamola!".
paolo159
22-05-2013, 21:24
ok thanks Sandro!
paolo159
02-06-2013, 23:40
hi guys,
sorry for my absence lately but I've been out and away from the pc :-)
I have not yet had the opportunity to remove the dpf then I was stationary with respect to maps lambda.... in the meantime, I decided to make a step further and make the map a little less soft :-)
what do you think? trying it out on a road ba quite well and does not smoke, absolutely...I would like to? review a bit better advances why? from the first feeling of driving the delivery ? good but lacks high fluidity?
tips and suggestions??? :-)
SandroMarciano
03-06-2013, 09:29
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Let's see if you get there alone...
paolo159
03-06-2013, 09:42
Hello Sandro,
you say that I should climb more bp on the times?
SandroMarciano
03-06-2013, 10:19
Hello Sandro,
you say that I should climb more bp on the times?
right, or when you think you inject 80mm^3 inject of ir?, which is not ? nothing wrong with the car without the dpf, you have a sbuffata black and it all ends there. with a car with a dpf instead not known to smoke, why? it absorbs all the dpf, but then the regeneration will happen either? much more? frequently!
paolo159
03-06-2013, 10:39
Thanks Sandro for the advice.. really know what you are saying, in making the map I always thought the dpf is of little importance why? anyway the remove a days...I have the map on the var by about a week and I traveled between the city and suburban about 1200 km with 2 sun regenerations, then, that for now can still be good... let's say that a view of removing the short does not bother me to also rebuild every 300 miles :-)
paolo159
03-06-2013, 11:05
I proceed, however, to climb even a bp Sandro, just to give a bit of linearity? in the pi? the delivery...what you say?
SandroMarciano
03-06-2013, 11:12
I them I would climb properly both...
paolo159
03-06-2013, 11:29
What you mean to scale properly?
SandroMarciano
03-06-2013, 12:08
the times in the last column for diesel fuel have increased? Insert the QI alleged, the penultimate column as well!
paolo159
03-06-2013, 13:41
The times of the last two columns I calculated for 70 and 100 without taking into account the pero of the opening times of the injectors, so it could be about 72/73 and 104/105 comparing other calculations altee maps
SandroMarciano
03-06-2013, 14:55
well, then those will be the values to insert into the board! it still counts that you you abbasser? the IQ real injected, so if you want to again get back the performance you will have to increase the pedal and limiters torque of up to 500Nm... see you...
paolo159
03-06-2013, 21:07
Sandro forgive me but I don't understand what you mean when you tell me to insert the values in the axis...
SandroMarciano
03-06-2013, 21:22
Look at the image I posted, in the axis of the table (top left, where ? the arrow of the mouse, instead of 80 you will have to insert 104 and instead of 60, 72.
paolo159
03-06-2013, 21:57
Sandro but are you referring to the image on the lim. IQ?
SandroMarciano
03-06-2013, 22:06
the one at post #146
paolo159
03-06-2013, 22:22
Sandro " I would never have arrived....with the ecm how do I adjust them? I have to manually search for?
SandroMarciano
03-06-2013, 22:31
I don't use ecm for this... to conform with ecm you can do it in 2d, the 2 curves before the map, the first ? the y-axis, then the rail pressure, the second the QI (x-axis). You are interested in the second, you are searching for the value of 6000 and 8000 and transform them into 7200 10400.
paolo159
03-06-2013, 22:46
that's why? I didn't understand...in fact, already? from the time that I had spoken to adjust the axes I had watched and covered but I didn't understand how to edit them saw that on the ecm are fixed values...
what is the difference? between adjust the axes, and then increasing the torque required to compensate instead of leaving the axes cos? and deluding the ecu is giving 100 mm instead of 80 required?
SandroMarciano
03-06-2013, 22:53
the difference is in the transient essentially with regard to everyday use, then if the non-compliance of the axis also leads to imbalances in the fuel oil in power, limiters, turbo, etc, etc.
For the transients, I mean that when you press the pedal as soon as the ecu detects that c'? air for 80mm^3/s (according to lambda, or any other limiter) them injected, but is not actually 80mm^3/s, but many more?, then on a machine without dpf this creates the cloud behind, on a car with a dpf do not see the cloud but the filter you ago to serve at the next regeneration (presenter? very first).
paolo159
03-06-2013, 23:14
good explanation, Sandro! thanks a lot!!! now work a bit on the map, and put into action your advice...including the ones that I had previously given with respect to the lim IQ
paolo159
04-06-2013, 00:32
Sandro I adjusted the axes, I hope I did well... I also increased a little, the values of the required torque to compensate for...
I also made a slight advance low IQ to assess if it can bring benefits in the city?...value? from diagnosis..what do you think about that?
I enclose a map, I would be grateful if I wanted to give it one more look, and of course, your advice will be very welcome :-)
paolo159
04-06-2013, 01:43
I had forgotten to insert the attachment :-)
SandroMarciano
04-06-2013, 11:13
the limiter to 1CC0F8 up to 3500rpm, after that ? the original...
anyway, I think that don't we need? the power compared to what you had before, so if that's not enough counts is that you can still increase performance by increasing the pedal and torque limiter up to 500Nm.
The advances you have them increased to 5mm^3/the moments, the engine uses ir? to keep the minimum, then you won't notice the differences, advances to the maximum instead focus increases speed a lot more? bass, in particular, you can notice one of the step by step...
paolo159
04-06-2013, 11:29
thanks Sandro, faro a diagnosis to figure out how many mm^3 ? need to give a bit of advance, give them to 5mm I believe that I can help start you say? maybe I'm just saying that hogwash
paolo159
04-06-2013, 13:45
a question... the lim of maximum torque limit the torque request from the pedal, or is that really developed to the tree?
SandroMarciano
04-06-2013, 14:25
there are no means to detect the torque at the shaft ? all of the alleged...
the advance to the minimum IQ of diesel of the two ? well to reduce it, given that the combustion chamber has no problems of heat to disperse with high IQ and, above all, a high rpm.
However, the test, I on the 2.0jtdm I tried to increase it and the result was the machine noisy and slow to take turns even with the clutch pulled in...
paolo159
04-06-2013, 15:18
Sandro and I have completed the lim 1cc0f8, not can I edit it from grid why? the ecm will not allow me...take a look as soon as you have a bit of time to see if ? done in the right way...the last time for a bit, forgot I cut the fuel :-)
I have slightly changed the IQ of the previous one and mod. maps pedal up to 500nm...
the correct time
paolo159
04-06-2013, 15:20
ok Sandro, in fact, I tried and well-known motor? higher...also why? it seems that nullify the effect of the pre-injection.. do? a test, thus reducing the time to see if it improves compared to the times ori.
paolo159
04-06-2013, 19:27
Sandro I loaded the map step13c, supply much more? linear thanks to the axes appropriate, as you told me, despite having increased still maps the pedal seems to be that it delivers less power...
another thing that I realized ? I had adjusted the lim couple to get to 500 nm required in the map I have loaded...
Other tips???
paolo159
04-06-2013, 20:18
here is the latest update...
made more small tweaks and lim correct torque.
Appearance opinions ;-)
tidus1985
04-06-2013, 22:31
then, I give you my opinion,
maps pedal - holes are all the same including break point
torque limiter - useless to request maps from the pedal more than 500 mm3 of diesel oil, according to lim torque ? next to first slow you down more than 500nm
maps lambda - I don't know what criteria you have changed you could explain it to me?
limiters diesel - they can go,but there are others around that block to 100mm3, do a search with the ecm for the values set to 10000 points, and with a little intuition to find them
Advances - you did the opposite of what you said sandro, act more on the range 1500-3500 rpm and less on the other, where the injections finoscono already before tdc
Rail - you have a dpf then you can get maybe up to 1650-1680 to have the injection times smaller
paolo159
05-06-2013, 00:33
hi Tidus first of all thanks for the great advice!
for maps of the pedal I noticed that changing the bp, we have, for example 400 rpm as in the other does not c'?.*****and do I make them all the same? with regard to the exceed 500nm you're right but not me I was worried about ir? of much seen that, in principle, not the excess (only in a couple of spots I know that I have given 514)
with regard to the maps lambda I have not taken any logic, for the moment I had put in the second floor waiting to remove the dpf, then saw that, however, due to lack of time I have not been able to do it if you give me an advice on the logic to be taken in the presence of the dpf I don't mind :-)
lim diesel, I've searched, I've read from your 3d that there are others around but I thought I would leave cos? at the moment since I have not gone beyond the 100mm^3 with the times...and you say that I should of improving them even if I don't pass the 100mm^3?
for the rail you say that is not the risk, up to 1650-1680?
thank you so much for the precious help!!!
SandroMarciano
05-06-2013, 18:51
for the pedal to do so, at least, have in the last 4 columns have the same value (each line) and make sure that the value of pi? high go above 500Nm, otherwise you'll use it all.
The machine anyway ? likely to go less than before, why? you now have the lambda to the limit, instead before you did not have anything (practically).
For down payments follow what you said tidus.
The limiters let them well as a 100mm^3/s, on a machine with dpf for sure I would not go above (among others not ? said that uses them to the discourse lambda) and by the way, I would not go above if I wanted a mod without smoke reliable...
The rail you see yourself, I usually leave it gold, even why? the post injections having the dpf are not a cos? negative... 1700bar (only when you can serve) not break anything...
paolo159
05-06-2013, 20:56
Thanks Sandro!
I've corrected the down-payment and with regard to the rail I gave light increases also in mm^3 on the lower, I would like to do a trial to see if it increments the data in that way I can give them a little bit more? readiness
paolo159
05-06-2013, 20:57
here are the changes
SandroMarciano
05-06-2013, 23:42
Thanks Sandro!
I've corrected the down-payment and with regard to the rail I gave light increases also in mm^3 on the lower, I would like to do a trial to see if it increments the data in that way I can give them a little bit more? readiness
readiness maybe, consumption low no speech... old... still testing...
paolo159
06-06-2013, 00:45
I read some of the 3d on the fact that we optimize or not the injection of diesel fuel by increasing the prex rail and actually I sensed that any gains of the best combustion are offset by the greater number? fuel injected
SandroMarciano
06-06-2013, 13:13
I read some of the 3d on the fact that we optimize or not the injection of diesel fuel by increasing the prex rail and actually I sensed that any gains of the best combustion are offset by the greater number? fuel injected
according to me you're making confusion, by increasing the pressure of fuel does not increase the QI, why? the maps of the time of injection if you are in a function of p.rail, so when you increase the latter makes cala consequently, the time of the injection, in order to have the usual q.the.
The "better atomization" linked to the p.rail pi? high (to be seen), is balanced by the fact that the pump hp to obtain a pressure pi? high absorbing power in ir?, so any advantage the riperderesti, also down also its useful life (since that would work with a higher load)
paolo159
10-06-2013, 19:50
you're absolutely right... I had not considered the p.rail...I said just hogwash
tonyteam
13-07-2013, 14:33
but paul with the dpf you put in off the egr?
SandroMarciano
14-07-2013, 16:37
but paul with the dpf you put in off the egr?
why? what's wrong?
cicciogsr
14-07-2013, 17:14
according to me you're making confusion, by increasing the pressure of fuel does not increase the QI, why? the maps of the time of injection if you are in a function of p.rail, so when you increase the latter makes cala consequently, the time of the injection, in order to have the usual q.the.
The "better atomization" linked to the p.rail pi? high (to be seen), is balanced by the fact that the pump hp to obtain a pressure pi? high absorbing power in ir?, so any advantage the riperderesti, also down also its useful life (since that would work with a higher load)
I absolutely don't agree if increases of 50-60 bar help to improve the penetration of the spray and speed up the spread of the diesel, I can only agree with you if you tell me to increase to mistake the pressure, then you lose power to ruin the injectors and warm well as the diesel when the inept... But you forget that the injection pressure technologically has marked the evolution of the diesel engine
SandroMarciano
14-07-2013, 17:24
I absolutely don't agree if increases of 50-60 bar help to improve the penetration of the spray and speed up the spread of the diesel, I can only agree with you if you tell me to increase to mistake the pressure, then you lose power to ruin the injectors and warm well as the diesel when the inept... But you forget that the injection pressure technologically has marked the evolution of the diesel engine
I don't agree, I also changed to 150bar pressure of the fuel on edc16c39 and I have not had tangible benefits than than to have it original. On edc15, however, where I had the injection times are very long increase of 150bar has done is to decline significantly in the fumosit
cicciogsr
14-07-2013, 18:08
I have always noticed an improvement of response the associate at a faster filling dell injector I know that I come out of the cv with the increase of the pressure, but for me it helps in certain conditions..
tonyteam
14-07-2013, 19:55
I don't agree, I also changed to 150bar pressure of the fuel on edc16c39 and I have not had tangible benefits than than to have it original. On edc15, however, where I had the injection times are very long increase of 150bar has done is to decline significantly in the fumosit?.
test personal stay 20% and 1600bar and stand at 20% and use 1630bar I found no difference.
paolo159
16-07-2013, 05:16
tonyteam you I still have the dpf fitted, due to lack of time I have not yet removed...why? did you ask me?
currently I have the latest version of the map loaded and I have covered about 3000 km, regeneration, each about 400 km (mileage predominantly urban).
Only drawback ? that's about 3000 miles a couple of times ? turned on the malfunction indicator light engine problem to the dpf, which, however, after a few minutes ? disappearance.
From diagnosis, the dpf clogging ? in the standard, ? a breakdown, which I was expecting since the maps lambda as you can see are not made for nothing good in the prediction set and once you have removed the dpf
tonyteam
16-07-2013, 06:31
I purtruppo with the fiat group incappo much earlier than the other groups in these issues...****s dpf I am not ok... and I see that often on original cars there are already? these problems
But why? do not completely remove the dpf??? Both manually and elettronicamnete if you have any problems??
paolo159
18-07-2013, 15:34
zaga1 certain that the take off ? an operation that was already? in the program for a long time but I have unfortunately not yet had the time to do so....
? at least two months round with the straight tube in the trunk :-)
zaga1 certain that the take off ? an operation that was already? in the program for a long time but I have unfortunately not yet had the time to do so....
? at least two months round with the straight tube in the trunk :-)
Vabb? but this why? you want to put them up by welding a straight tube, but you could also remove it by digging the inside with a vella drill bit large so that you do not lose the time to solder and disassemble
paolo159
18-07-2013, 15:53
I do not lose time, I have the straight tube special for my car, 3 bolts and I fixed it...you lose a lot of ir? time as you say you to empty the?the original...also do in that way doesn't it ? its a smart choice.
If tomorrow I want to replace it? do you spend 600 euros to buy it back? not to mention all the crap that you breathe in doing this task
I do not lose time, I have the straight tube special for my car, 3 bolts and I fixed it...you lose a lot of ir? time as you say you to empty the?the original...also do in that way doesn't it ? its a smart choice.
If tomorrow I want to replace it? do you spend 600 euros to buy it back? not to mention all the crap that you breathe in doing this task
Listen you this ? true? in the way as I say on the outside do not see anything why? the fap you see it the same, while as you say the fap inspection you see him with the tube that you go change then, and rightly, each with its own taste and then I will hi said an opinion on the court order to make no that you have to do it for as I say ;-)
paolo159
18-07-2013, 16:14
certainly everyone has their own opinion but for me the method that I have suggested has too many disadvantages, if you want there are also the copies of the fap in trade, also consider that your method may generate turbulence in the exhaust because of the non-regularity? of the inner surface after the milled material in the dpf.
certainly everyone has their own opinion but for me the method that I have suggested has too many disadvantages, if you want there are also the copies of the fap in trade, also consider that your method may generate turbulence in the exhaust because of the non-regularity? of the inner surface after the milled material in the dpf.
Up to now performed to perfection, no problem, but if done well will not generate turbulence quiet, then do as you want in the end we are in a forum and advice and an opinion leads to another :-)
paolo159
29-09-2013, 12:11
Hi guys,
I finally found the time to remove the dpf!!! in the afternoon caricher? the map attached in this post and then continue with the setup.
I still made a few tweaks here and compared to the previous one, in addition of course to luca stanca.
I pulled a straight line on the lambda-1, we see how it goes..
In the meantime if some expert wants to give it a look and give me some advice of course ? always welcome !
paolo159
30-09-2013, 15:24
map tested! from diagnosis not find the problem 1000% on the dpf, I had brought to zero also the disable bit fap in addition to proceed with the deactivation with time, now we just hope you do not start regenerations ;-)
The car has a delivery much more? fluid, unfortunately it was raining a lot yesterday and have not yet been able to verify the presence of smoke so you can arrange the maps lambda.
paolo159
01-10-2013, 16:26
Drive tested with lambda-team 1, no smoke at a steady pace, slight smoked in the case of the sunk of the accelerator (in the norm I'd say).
Correct further maps lambda, light smoke on a cold and accelerated, the car is warm, light smoked in the case of sunk as with the lambda team.
By analyzing the graphs of the prex turbo you want, and the real well-known discrepancies that seem to me to be too discordant, now I am old log made with the map ori or prior to removing the dpf to make a comparison.
Some of you pi? expert could kindly give it a look and give me some suggestion about it? ? the case is wary of the vgt or not?
Grazieeeeeee55445545
paolo159
01-10-2013, 16:28
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Updated map
paolo159
20-10-2013, 09:56
guys any suggestion ???
guys any suggestion ???
For me the tip that I can give ? to change the mapping logic if you want to test the file that I'm posting I made by myself and see how it goes and how it seems to you also, by comparing it with the one your
paolo159
20-10-2013, 21:12
Hello zagat1,
I would not want to seem rude, but I am of the opinion that the exchange of views should be constructive for all.
Then you tell me to change the logic why? according to you, it's not correct, I had a look at your map, which in my opinion (maybe wrong, I hope that msport, tidus, sandromarciano, and all other users of the pi? experts should take action to give their valuable advice) does not follow any logic.
I noticed that the maps pedal request 510 nm of torque, but the lim torque not ? appropriate, you have increased the time of inj without adapting the advances, have increased the prex rail speed is very low when in fact? not ? necessary, indeed ? completely counter-productive in view of the energy required to reach such a prex is at low rpm.
How can you tell me that your map has a correct logic and should be better than my?
Also I do not have the fap,no? the maps lambda the original should be just fine....
paolo159
20-10-2013, 21:14
PS: my request for an opinion was in reference to something else, I asked first for an opinion on the lambda and, in the second place, a council on the analysis of the graphs made from the diagnosis to understand if ? necessary to operate on the VGT.
;-)
PS: my request for an opinion was in reference to something else, I asked first for an opinion on the lambda and, in the second place, a council on the analysis of the graphs made from the diagnosis to understand if ? necessary to operate on the VGT.
;-)
Dear paul, I advise you to try the map I made for you and then maybe you see the difference between your and my I logic I can definitely give you a map that you buy with the money, and not in a map which I posted as an example only, and then think of it as you want
paolo159
20-10-2013, 23:26
Dear paul, I advise you to try the map I made for you and then maybe you see the difference between your and my I logic I can definitely give you a map that you buy with the money, and not in a map which I posted as an example only, and then think of it as you want
I don't think that goes quite agree with the ethics of this forum to post a map with no logic justifying it with the fact that the maps series pay.
If you do not want to share knowledge would be pi? should not post any map rather than send maps without logic.
Watch the right to take away the satisfaction prover? the map tomorrow and then I say to you, if you look closely at my map you will find that ? just a base map then ? its out of place to propose a base map and without logic...then if you want to detract from the guru of this forum that guided me step-by-step since the first day I put the hands on the control units do as well, my current map ? the result of so much experience and evidence, not mine since I'm not an expert but who has studied and invested time and money to improve.
I don't think that goes quite agree with the ethics of this forum to post a map with no logic justifying it with the fact that the maps series pay.
If you do not want to share knowledge would be pi? should not post any map rather than send maps without logic.
Watch the right to take away the satisfaction prover? the map tomorrow and then I say to you, if you look closely at my map you will find that ? just a base map then ? its out of place to propose a base map and without logic...then if you want to detract from the guru of this forum that guided me step-by-step since the first day I put the hands on the control units do as well, my current map ? the result of so much experience and evidence, not mine since I'm not an expert but who has studied and invested time and money to improve.
I have not demeaned anyone I'm just speaking in a discussion comparing a map made by me and I asked to try it then here you are talking of no other thing, and anyway I have made an example only in the sense of the map, in payment why? and rightly, a mapping is made for work that is paid requires more? loss of time in building it and so many things that maybe someone like others do not know that they are put................In short, I'm only trying to help you then think of it as you want and if not you should not to try to force.............
paolo159
21-10-2013, 00:19
look I don't like to make controversy, but if you give me to load a map without any logic in which the increments are given to you in the wrong way, instead of my made with a certain criterion, and a logic stratestata this means belittle the work of all those who have helped to make it happen.
Then the address of the pay-or-less does not hold his own, if I had posted a "base map", but with correct logic then I would have given a reason, I understand that you can't? some work and get to make calculations for a free week, but by your map I do understand that you have not the slightest idea what the logic.
I'm sorry if I'll attack you but I just want you to understand that it makes no sense what you're telling me, I really appreciate your good will? in the help me but will send me a map of the genre don't do that...there are 200 posts and 2 months of reasoning, calculations, and adjustments on this map in which many users have given their contribution to get to the point where I have arrived, now you come and say that the logic does not ? correct? and for pi? they send me a not c'? your own logic?
In addition, as a gi? that said, I made them specific questions on my map, I needed to have an opinion on the diagnosis and on the maps of lambda is not a new map.
On the fact of to give it a try to? surely in order to be able to say how it goes.
look I don't like to make controversy, but if you give me to load a map without any logic in which the increments are given to you in the wrong way, instead of my made with a certain criterion, and a logic stratestata this means belittle the work of all those who have helped to make it happen.
Then the address of the pay-or-less does not hold his own, if I had posted a "base map", but with correct logic then I would have given a reason, I understand that you can't? some work and get to make calculations for a free week, but by your map I do understand that you have not the slightest idea what the logic.
I'm sorry if I'll attack you but I just want you to understand that it makes no sense what you're telling me, I really appreciate your good will? in the help me but will send me a map of the genre don't do that...there are 200 posts and 2 months of reasoning, calculations, and adjustments on this map in which many users have given their contribution to get to the point where I have arrived, now you come and say that the logic does not ? correct? and for pi? they send me a not c'? your own logic?
In addition, as a gi? that said, I made them specific questions on my map, I needed to have an opinion on the diagnosis and on the maps of lambda is not a new map.
On the fact of to give it a try to? surely in order to be able to say how it goes.
Ok give it a try and let me know
I intervene in this discussion as it seems to me you're going off-topic,then the user zaga1 say that paolo159 has reason first because your map does not follow any logic why will smoke at high rpm, and the third because the speech of the map, in payment it is absolutely out of place so if you post something or you do it for the good or nothing apart from this here nobody sells anything and you don't need the jelly is ready, but for the advice,I hope I was clear.
I intervene in this discussion as it seems to me you're going off-topic,then the user zaga1 say that paolo159 has reason first because your map does not follow any logic why will smoke at high rpm, and the third because the speech of the map, in payment it is absolutely out of place so if you post something or you do it for the good or nothing apart from this here nobody sells anything and you don't need the jelly is ready, but for the advice,I hope I was clear.
Thanks to the intervention according to me, there have been misunderstandings on the part of all but the most important, and that you have successfully resolved the discussion, and for me, and as if nothing had happened
paolo159
29-10-2013, 09:18
Hi all, following the small OT my last question to your post #201 you ? a little lost, someone of you can give me an opinion on this?
thanks a lot to all
jacktheripper2
10-11-2013, 02:59
And I can confirm that you can go under 1 " and the machine injects of pi?.
paolo159
08-11-2014, 13:14
Hi guys,
until today, the car ? always went well with the map gas team and the values = 1, hour? I have to pass the revision at the revision I did do a smoke detection and the values are 2.5 / 2.6 so ? impossible that in this way exceed the test.
I would like to ask for your help to ensure that it can remain within the values set to 0.5 without having to replace the DPF.
Even with the map ORI eventually.
Who can help me????
thanks in advance to all :-)
I enclose ori (defappata) and mod, with which I made the measurement of the flue gas.
8795
jacktheripper2
08-11-2014, 13:28
Hi guys,
until today, the car ? always went well with the map gas team and the values = 1, hour? I have to pass the revision at the revision I did do a smoke detection and the values are 2.5 / 2.6 so ? impossible that in this way exceed the test.
I would like to ask for your help to ensure that it can remain within the values set to 0.5 without having to replace the DPF.
Even with the map ORI eventually.
Who can help me????
thanks in advance to all :-)
I enclose ori (defappata) and mod, with which I made the measurement of the flue gas.
8795
Test with lambda 1.15 or 1.2.
paolo159
08-11-2014, 13:36
I can't do too much attempts, every trial makes me pay :-(
I'm going to play it safe this time not to spend too much €€€
If rimettessi map and lambda ORI 2-do you think it can be good?
jacktheripper2
08-11-2014, 14:05
I can't do too much attempts, every trial makes me pay :-(
I'm going to play it safe this time not to spend too much €€€
If rimettessi map and lambda ORI 2-do you think it can be good?
Lambda-2??? Put the lambda 1.2 should be enough.
paolo159
08-11-2014, 14:30
with lambda 2 say that would give you problems? in any case, I'd leave the map only for review, then I'd work on new maps fumes ad hoc
dpf and egr should be okay, the limiter should be 0.5, and not 1 of the lambda, however, goes well 1,113 that corresponds to a 16.5 a lambda around for the dpf, it will be a little lean at least not regenerate every 2 days
paolo159
08-11-2014, 20:51
Hello jovandj,
the dpf ? been physically removed and disabled from the map, the egr is closed so nothing is clogging it-regenerations.... my question was in reference to how to set the values of lim fumes to remain within the limits for the review of the vehicle...with the current map, the value of K by measuring opacity? ? 2.6 about while it should remain at 0.5 max.
dpf and egr should be okay, the limiter should be 0.5, and not 1 of the lambda, however, goes well 1,113 that corresponds to a 16.5 a lambda around for the dpf, it will be a little lean at least not regenerate every 2 days
paolo159
08-11-2014, 21:00
lambda ori map and the ori? I went this morning, and the value at the center review with my map was 2.6
Map gold watch the lambda I don't remember precisely...my past but I had put on a little....and, in the past and has done well 0.26 map ori lambda ori, you should switch I recommend times ori
paolo159
08-11-2014, 21:07
ok thanks a lot...will try? with the map ori and lambda ori...see what comes out :-)
To the maximum if it is not too the tour review, put on the dpf do the test and the rismonti
paolo159
08-11-2014, 21:10
unfortunately, the DPF don't have it here with me but at 400km away so I wanted to avoid ship it and mount it
unfortunately, the DPF don't have it here with me but at 400km away so I wanted to avoid ship it and mount it
And instead make a map ad-hoc to review? :) By lowering the values in the table nm>qi, could that work?
jacktheripper2
11-11-2014, 10:55
And instead make a map ad-hoc to review? :) By lowering the values in the table nm>qi, could that work?
You are doing too saws mental to me. Such a thing does not make sense anyway. What to do I said earlier, and with lambda 1.2 I don't think there are problems. To 1.3 with a little air.
dpf and egr should be okay, the limiter should be 0.5, and not 1 of the lambda, however, goes well 1,113 that corresponds to a 16.5 a lambda around for the dpf, it will be a little lean but at least not regenerate every 2 days
What the center now the limit lambda? 1.113 ? equal to 16.3 of afr. In any case, not ? lean but goes more than well, perhaps it is even a tad bit of smoke, almost invisible.
Usually do not have any fumosit? it must be kept in an afr above 17, especially at high rpm.
On the diesel ? how about a gasoline that you have to keep an afr a little fat, indeed..
Suffice it to say that at idle with egr closed the afr ? of over 100:1.
You are doing too saws mental to me. Such a thing does not make sense anyway. What to do I said earlier, and with lambda 1.2 I don't think there are problems. To 1.3 with a little air.
What the center now the limit lambda? 1.113 ? equal to 16.3 of afr. In any case, not ? lean but goes more than well, perhaps it is even a tad bit of smoke, almost invisible.
Usually do not have any fumosit? it must be kept in an afr above 17, especially at high rpm.
On the diesel ? how about a gasoline that you have to keep an afr a little fat, indeed..
Suffice it to say that at idle with egr closed the afr ? of over 100:1.
The limiter lambda was referring to an old message where it was said that it was 1 i.e. 14.5 ma and 0.5 in effects....my mistake. ..according to me, the good paul with lambda ori goes quiet
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