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Hello guys I wanted to know what you think about the fact you can have more? power and optimize the energy consumption,diminuirei according to me ? a utopia.. I Hope to be proven wrong,in my case I speak of a motorhome, motorized, 2.3 Fiat 130 hp edc 16c 39.... The medium and very heavy,in addition to being great mind slow,driving very gently and not to exceed 110 no I can an do pi? of the 8 kl.. What do you think??????
SandroMarciano
27-04-2013, 00:00
the increase in power ? very simple, the part of the reduction in consumption ? well pi? difficult, requires a lot of trials and every means reacts in different ways. I'm getting good results on a 159 2.0 mjet reducing the pressure of the turbine at low revs and anticipating areas precise. However, to anticipate the injection requires a lot of evidence, and the damage can be present even after many miles...
legendaryslave
27-04-2013, 00:20
it always depends on the foot, but if you can lower the torque for the same request, then the user asks for less pedal to get to the goal I think so you will be able to get something
SandroMarciano
27-04-2013, 08:26
it always depends on the foot, but if you can lower the torque for the same request, then the user asks for less pedal to get to the goal I think so you will be able to get something
right, and this is done by improving the efficiency!
cicciogsr
27-04-2013, 11:08
but do not forget that the power in the diesel engine depends on the flow rate of the flammable liquid.... I on my old car the fuel consumption is able to lower them, trying to get a ****llo torque satisfactory only by tapping the pedal in a way that for a certain number of rounds you have the same pace that you would have at least 500 rpm more? ori...
..in fact, even on my car(bravo jtd 105) ..I managed to have some horse in the pi? and the fuel consumption are unchanged,with the difference that when you request. Now it should be.. But we are talking about do edc 15 with the turbine fixed.. Here ? much more? the whole speech, not absolutely wanting to risk doing damage.. The medium has 30000 km...
SandroMarciano
27-04-2013, 17:12
..in fact, even on my car(bravo jtd 105) ..I managed to have some horse in the pi? and the fuel consumption are unchanged,with the difference that when you request. Now it should be.. But we are talking about do edc 15 with the turbine fixed.. Here ? much more? the whole speech, not absolutely wanting to risk doing damage.. The medium has 30000 km...
if you go, try to give diesel in the map of the injection times are also a bit more? at the bottom (not too much otherwise you smoke), then judges, then the consumption, according to me to decline!
cicciogsr
27-04-2013, 17:31
..in fact, even on my car(bravo jtd 105) ..I managed to have some horse in the pi? and the fuel consumption are unchanged,with the difference that when you request. Now it should be.. But we are talking about do edc 15 with the turbine fixed.. Here ? much more? the whole speech, not absolutely wanting to risk doing damage.. The medium has 30000 km...
I have the same car mine with a full-suburban f? 960-980 km in the city? you give a damn about the climbs and the traffic, but it was less than when it was ori
Just the one.. ? I don't have to touch any of the other map? It pedal n? turbo?..
Dragonfly
27-04-2013, 17:57
I don't recommend you touch the turbine, the test with the instructions given..
Ok.I look at the map on the ecm,I locate the map time and I want to know..
Cristiano75
27-04-2013, 18:15
Touch only the injection time in the map grid without adjusting the break is only an illusion to decrease consumption, if the medium ? equipped with on-board computer why? the error between the calculated consumption and the actual will increase?. I chiuderei the egr, already? it improves the thermodynamic efficiency of the engine, I've seen the map, but if it has the variable geometry turbo, the mollerei of a few percentage points in order to have a p? less backpressure to the exhaust.
X advances would expect to touch them....
Touch only the injection time in the map grid without adjusting the break is only an illusion to decrease consumption, if the medium ? equipped with on-board computer why? the error between the calculated consumption and the actual will increase?. I chiuderei the egr, already? it improves the thermodynamic efficiency of the engine, I've seen the map, but if it has the variable geometry turbo, the mollerei of a few percentage points in order to have a p? less backpressure to the exhaust.
X advances would expect to touch them....
L. egr and the only thing that I have already? done.. Mollerei what does it mean ..? Increase or decrease? ? why? I would have less back pressure?
To have less back pressure you have to physically touch the geometry in such a way that the blades will hinder you pass through gsa exhaust
cicciogsr
27-04-2013, 21:24
Just the one.. ? I don't have to touch any of the other map? It pedal n? turbo?..
the turbo is not the commands from the map ? a turbo mechanic
the turbo is not the commands from the map ? a turbo mechanic
..we are talking about the same means? Ducato 2.3 130hp? Edc 16c39 .. he doesn't have variable geometry?
cicciogsr
27-04-2013, 21:52
no sorry I was wrong I thought that we were talking about jtd 105
Ahhhh , ! Ok ... ? for this instead, what do you advice..?
cicciogsr
27-04-2013, 22:40
I on that given the heaviness of the vehicle would try to give you diesel from the outset, so that you can bring it up now cos? then you can cammniare wire of gas and save a little, it works well on-demand and limitations of the various and well on the turbo not exaggerating, I think that 0.1 bar in pi? not to spoil anything ... the vehicle has a mass and a profile that allows you well to counteract the impact with the air, according to me, if you do a couple of tests hitting the right amount of diesel-something you can recuoerare
I attach the file fiat ducato 2.3130cvedc16c39
this file is still the original,the only change(thanks to fidodido)exclusion egr..,I was giving a look at the various maps,starting from the pedal, which should be enrichment in the acc(correct me if I'm wrong),is it possible that this has to intervene after the 30%?...
Cristiano75
27-04-2013, 23:21
? possible to have the file ORI, thanks x the courtesy. :)
? possible to have the file ORI, thanks x the courtesy. :)
..and of course..thanks in advance for the help,,
Looking at the map in the ecm I have noticed another thing for me to strange,to the entry rail pressure we have two maps are very different between them, the second with increases in well, I decided,you know what they are all two and under what circumstances a a and l.other. .?,and I confirmed that the map pedal on this unit is the one that the ecm calls enrichment and acceleration.?
dvdtuning
28-04-2013, 14:26
I have noticed that with a good map +30/35cv about I have reduced power consumption only at speed? constants, for the rest of the town drunk as the first at a normal pace and much more? if you push.
I have not touched for nothing that the ancient people. (147 jtd 115hp)
I have noticed that with a good map +30/35cv about I have reduced power consumption only at speed? constants, for the rest of the town drunk as the first at a normal pace and much more? if you push.
I have not touched for nothing that the ancient people. (147 jtd 115hp)
If I'm not mistaken you should also be mounted on your. Edc16c 39?
angelolsp
28-04-2013, 14:58
the 115 should be edc15 or am I wrong?
the 115 should be edc15 or am I wrong?
If I'm not mistaken the edc15 and the 105...
angelolsp
28-04-2013, 16:08
Edc 16 are 120 and 150...then I don't know if the 140 and 115 are edc16
the 140 should be edc16c8 while the 115 edc15c7
msport (exil77grande)
28-04-2013, 16:37
jtd 115hp bosch edc15 c7
jtd 105cv bosch edc15 c5
mjet 100cv - 140cv bosch edc16 c8
mjet 120 hp - 150cvbosch edc16 c39
angelolsp
28-04-2013, 16:41
We have the encyclopedia :)
explode82
28-04-2013, 17:06
and also a question of a lot of experience, which makes it very,you'll see that with time you will learn the many and also you
angelolsp
28-04-2013, 17:12
We are all here for this!!! :D
Cristiano75
28-04-2013, 22:29
..and of course..thanks in advance for the help,,
Looking at the map in the ecm I have noticed another thing for me to strange,to the entry rail pressure we have two maps are very different between them, the second with increases in well, I decided,you know what they are all two and under what circumstances a a and l.other. .?,and I confirmed that the map pedal on this unit is the one that the ecm calls enrichment and acceleration.?
The maps, which indicates the ecm maps accelerator from break like those, no, but I'd be just as safe as the next to 3, which is designated c'? a map 16x16 >> 1C209C that I d? the impression that the + indicated...., if we compare the torque limiter, it seems that the + trusted is that, for? I may be wrong...
To ****llo turbine I have seen the map of an overboost that x is a variable geometry, it seemed to me strange, I did a search on the internet and I see that ? a mitsubishi TF035 fixed geometry controlled pneumatically by the ecu...
In edc16, there must be the map Nm>>Iq, I can find it, usually ? shortly after the time of injection....
The maps fumes might be to these addresses?? all 16x16
190358
19059C
1907E0
And this 16x25 191B02 that the map could be? Conversion??
I see that often maps the breakpoint on the X-axis to arrive at 3200, what corresponds to these axes??? Diesel or Nm??
Expect some expert give certain information about it..with regard to the turbine,I was convinced it was a variable geometry on that engine, but I swear to you I never even opened the hood to see her physically.. Tomorrow I see it...what a shame... not that bad in the middle, and my...
Cristiano75
29-04-2013, 00:07
Expect some expert give certain information about it..with regard to the turbine,I was convinced it was a variable geometry on that engine, but I swear to you I never even opened the hood to see her physically.. Tomorrow I see it...what a shame... not that bad in the middle, and my...
Volume high "say," power mediocre and low rpm range to use low... already? I assumed a similar thing.
NN ? a problem...... we qu? to give you a hand.... up to what I can gladly....
Let's try to understand what is referred to as the X-axis of the breakpoint that shows 3200..... Diesel or Nm, or what else???
Have you tried to mvere maps with winols...??
Volume high "say," power mediocre and low rpm range to use low... already? I assumed a similar thing.
NN ? a problem...... we qu? to give you a hand.... up to what I can gladly....
Let's try to understand what is referred to as the X-axis of the breakpoint that shows 3200..... Diesel or Nm, or what else???
Have you tried to mvere maps with winols...??
I've never used winols, up until now I've only played with the ecm ,and then still would not have the damis for the ecu, from what I read Winols without damos and' pi? ecm complex.. If you already? with this I do not understand much...( your question marks I had them taken as uncertainty and not as a support for me to think... ) are now with the ipad, and aime can't I view the map.. Tomorrow I look at the axes, and if we can understand something..
Cristiano75
29-04-2013, 01:14
I've never used winols, up until now I've only played with the ecm ,and then still would not have the damis for the ecu, from what I read Winols without damos and' pi? ecm complex.. If you already? with this I do not understand much...( your question marks I had them taken as uncertainty and not as a support for me to think... ) are now with the ipad, and aime can't I view the map.. Tomorrow I look at the axes, and if we can understand something..
C'? the demo version, even I have the damos x this ecu.
I use both winols x the maps in the formula table that ecm x 2d... one next to the other.. helps You know...
Usually the x-axis should be diesel and not Nm? me is being the doubt for this ecu...
Volume high "say," power mediocre and low rpm range to use low... already? I assumed a similar thing.
NN ? a problem...... we qu? to give you a hand.... up to what I can gladly....
Let's try to understand what is referred to as the X-axis of the breakpoint that shows 3200..... Diesel or Nm, or what else???
Have you tried to mvere maps with winols...??
I was reflecting on the "3200".. I Think it is a torque value having the medium as a Max torque of 320 nm.. Could it be 3200/10...
SandroMarciano
29-04-2013, 08:39
Yes, and 16, the pair has a conversion factor of 0.1.
Cristiano75
29-04-2013, 15:39
Yes, and 16, the pair has a conversion factor of 0.1.
You're right, x is the conversion factor, but going from memory at the moment nn I have the map, it seems to me that the torque limiter is to share 3901.. this value corresponds to 320Nm declared and not those of the X axis and f? often refer...
? also true that often the maps do not need to be complete in the break up to 100% of the power....
GOKU, you are given 1 look at the engine x to see if I was wrong about the type of turbo ???
SandroMarciano
29-04-2013, 16:35
I don't know if the one you speak of or not, torque limiters, I have not even seen the map, but this unit has many pi? torque limiter of one car from the vag group, so you can easily find yourself a limiter at 390 and one at 320, commander? the pi? low, then 320...
You're right, x is the conversion factor, but going from memory at the moment nn I have the map, it seems to me that the torque limiter is to share 3901.. this value corresponds to 320Nm declared and not those of the X axis and f? often refer...
? also true that often the maps do not need to be complete in the break up to 100% of the power....
GOKU, you are given 1 look at the engine x to see if I was wrong about the type of turbo ???
..no today I had a little to do at work..the middle and in the garage and in the lunch break at turin diluviava.....as soon as I can I see..I'm trying to install winols to do what you advise me but I get errors..maybe I have a version that is not funzionane,,azzz
Sorry... Turbine part for now, I'm not interested in going back to the map the pedal,I find it increments ranging from 10 to 190 if I'm not mistaken,but I don't understand in that unit? measurement are expressed,nm ? can,deal? diesel fuel does not seems to be a consistent value...do you have any idea? Thanks..I didn't want to give increases so much to do,I wanted to know what tap and then log in order to actually see if the changes corresponded..
the increase in power ? very simple, the part of the reduction in consumption ? well pi? difficult, requires a lot of trials and every means reacts in different ways. I'm getting good results on a 159 2.0 mjet reducing the pressure of the turbine at low revs and anticipating areas precise. However, to anticipate the injection requires a lot of evidence, and the damage can be present even after many miles...
Exact c'? to be very careful in there? you change and as you change
SandroMarciano
01-05-2013, 09:06
Sorry... Turbine part for now, I'm not interested in going back to the map the pedal,I find it increments ranging from 10 to 190 if I'm not mistaken,but I don't understand in that unit? measurement are expressed,nm ? can,deal? diesel fuel does not seems to be a consistent value...do you have any idea? Thanks..I didn't want to give increases so much to do,I wanted to know what tap and then log in order to actually see if the changes corresponded..
on edc16, the pedal expresses the couple, but even though it has increments of 190 points, not take them? never, the torque limiters are rated for much more? low!
on edc16, the pedal expresses the couple, but even though it has increments of 190 points, not take them? never, the torque limiters are rated for much more? low!
and not only the torque limiters
SandroMarciano
01-05-2013, 12:42
and not only the torque limiters
obviously, we have at least 3 limiters diesel, but here we talked about a couple...
on edc16, the pedal expresses the couple, but even though it has increments of 190 points, not take them? never, the torque limiters are rated for much more? low!
I have used the word increments, but I didn't mean to increases in data I have..let's say the basic values golds that we are on the dw.. Ranging from 10 to 190.. For this I don't what to express,it had the torque to a maximum of 190 nm are few agendi the middle of 320 nm...
SandroMarciano
01-05-2013, 19:23
strange then! now I look at the map!
obviously, we have at least 3 limiters diesel, but here we talked about a couple...
C'? a map that shows the relation between the couple with the quantity of diesel injected. Then the limits in the diesel fuel, and limits as well the couple
SandroMarciano
01-05-2013, 19:35
C'? a map that shows the relation between the couple with the quantity of diesel injected. Then the limits in the diesel fuel, and limits as well the couple
yes, but the couple that we have in the ecu ? a number put l?, not ? a measured value, then the speech should be interpreted so?: the limits of the pair (control unit) or the diesel and you get less performance, i.e. less torque and therefore power.
yes, but the couple that we have in the ecu ? a number put l?, not ? a measured value, then the speech should be interpreted so?: the limits of the pair (control unit) or the diesel and you get less performance, i.e. less torque and therefore power.
Hello Sandro, you have to if given a look at the Map,? What about these values dw?
Let's see if I can explain what I have in the head.
Then! the edc16 work basing the maps on the values of the torque, expressed in Nm. C'? a map that tells us that if a certain number of revolutions, iniettiamo a tot of diesel engine svilupper? a certain couple ( the map that ecm calls "deal? fuel injected rpm\ torque). Then, turns, and reversals between the maps, such as torque limiters, drive wisch, etc... limits the torque, but indirectly go to the limit in the diesel fuel. That's why? according to me, if not touching certain maps over a certain limit will not v?.
Tell me if my reasoning ? wrong
Let's see if I can explain what I have in the head.
Then! the edc16 work basing the maps on the values of the torque, expressed in Nm. C'? a map that tells us that if a certain number of revolutions, iniettiamo a tot of diesel engine svilupper? a certain couple ( the map that ecm calls "deal? fuel injected rpm\ torque). Then, turns, and reversals between the maps, such as torque limiters, drive wisch, etc... limits the torque, but indirectly go to the limit in the diesel fuel. That's why? according to me, if not touching certain maps over a certain limit will not v?.
Tell me if my reasoning ? wrong
I don't think all of the edc 16 are the same, and I think that also the edc16c39 depending on hw and sw to differ between them,my in the ecm I
Ign prov
Ign corr
Pers rail
Ign partial map 1 bost
Ign partial map 2 bost
Will in the ACC. ( the one that should be dw but I am not ...)
Pres. Turbo
Time overbost
Im copp
Im cop 2
Lim cop 3
Lim pres rail
Lim rail 1
....? many similar....
Then you what are you talking about?
SandroMarciano
02-05-2013, 11:49
C'? a map that shows the relation between the couple with the quantity of diesel injected. Then the limits in the diesel fuel, and limits as well the couple
no, it works the other way,when it limits the torque limits for the diesel, ? the couple, who commands all!
no, it works the other way,when it limits the torque limits for the diesel, ? the couple, who commands all!
I have to say that I don't want to be grumpy, but I'm here to learn and understand.
Since we do not have a torque sensor, such as f? know how much torque it is producing the engine?
Someone has already? saw the map...??allira
These values of the
Map the pedal 10 in the 1850's, what are they? If they were nm in the middle, it would develop a maximum of 185 nm????
SandroMarciano
02-05-2013, 14:07
I have to say that I don't want to be grumpy, but I'm here to learn and understand.
Since we do not have a torque sensor, such as f? know how much torque it is producing the engine?
? an assumed value that is used from the ecu, and ? true there is a special map, but there? that controls everything ? the torque, then the ecu through that table turns it into diesel fuel.
SandroMarciano
02-05-2013, 14:11
Someone has already? saw the map...??allira
These values of the
Map the pedal 10 in the 1850's, what are they? If they were nm in the middle, it would develop a maximum of 185 nm????
no, ? a value that is decided in the ecu, doesn't it ? a given measured! and not ? absolutely said that should be realistic. In my 159 for example, I required a torque of 500Nm, I have unlocked all the torque limiters up to the value of 500, I went into the conversion table torque/IQ and I saw that for 500Nm, the ecu should inject 100mm^3 of fuel, I then unlocked the limiters of diesel up to that value, and I checked from the diagnosis that indeed there were 100mm^3 of fuel. In spite of this the machine ? far from 500Nm actual!
no, ? a value that is decided in the ecu, doesn't it ? a given measured! and not ? absolutely said that should be realistic. In my 159 for example, I required a torque of 500Nm, I have unlocked all the torque limiters up to the value of 500, I went into the conversion table torque/IQ and I saw that for 500Nm, the ecu should inject 100mm^3 of fuel, I then unlocked the limiters of diesel up to that value, and I checked from the diagnosis that indeed there were 100mm^3 of fuel. In spite of this the machine ? far from 500Nm actual!
Ok.. Understood.. Now the mod , then place it and discuss it..
SandroMarciano
02-05-2013, 16:21
Ok.. Understood.. Now the mod , then place it and discuss it..
What changes? the conversion table if you want my advice do not touch it!
In view of the strangeness of the half of me before I would do a few logs from the original, to understand what maps to use. For example, the fuel injected from the ori?
What changes? the conversion table if you want my advice do not touch it!
In view of the strangeness of the half of me before I would do a few logs from the original, to understand what maps to use. For example, the fuel injected from the ori?
.. At what address do you see this conversion table?for the rest you are right .. I Do the first few login in order to have a basis from which to work.. Will spend some days, the medium or not ? all of the moments under the hands being a camper..I hope not to bore you..
SandroMarciano
02-05-2013, 17:50
it may be *191B02 or even *1D5212
There is usually always after the map "lambda" but first torque limiters connected to the transmission unit.
Anyway, show values which are very strange both (I am referring to the QI dii diesel). The log ? appropriate to understand something.
But how many cylinders?
no, ? a value that is decided in the ecu, doesn't it ? a given measured! and not ? absolutely said that should be realistic. In my 159 for example, I required a torque of 500Nm, I have unlocked all the torque limiters up to the value of 500, I went into the conversion table torque/IQ and I saw that for 500Nm, the ecu should inject 100mm^3 of fuel, I then unlocked the limiters of diesel up to that value, and I checked from the diagnosis that indeed there were 100mm^3 of fuel. In spite of this the machine ? far from 500Nm actual!
I, too, am working on my map, following this logic, for? I stopped at 430Nm request. what results have you obtained? injects really 100mm3 of fuel?
x sandro: I looked at your file, but I can only find 2 "torque limiters", called so? from the ecm, changed, and nothing else. what did you want to do?
it may be *191B02 or even *1D5212
There is usually always after the map "lambda" but first torque limiters connected to the transmission unit.
Anyway, show values which are very strange both (I am referring to the QI dii diesel). The log ? appropriate to understand something.
But how many cylinders?
? a common Fiat 4 cylinders
? a common Fiat 4 cylinders
Attention! should be derived from IVECO. forget the 1.9 multijet :cool:
SandroMarciano
03-05-2013, 14:22
I, too, am working on my map, following this logic, for? I stopped at 430Nm request. what results have you obtained? injects really 100mm3 of fuel?
x sandro: I looked at your file, but I can only find 2 "torque limiters", called so? from the ecm, changed, and nothing else. what did you want to do?
I doubt you have seen my files since I have posted... but on the 159 I mentioned, you are able to inject 100mm^3/s but perhaps in part due to the dpf ? far from 500Nm...
I doubt you have seen my files since I have posted... but on the 159 I mentioned, you are able to inject 100mm^3/s but perhaps in part due to the dpf ? far from 500Nm...
I have not said that I copied your file, but I was making a map following that logic.What less now? that I'm not wasting my time. Smoke? Why? do not remove the dpf?
You did the bench test?
SandroMarciano
04-05-2013, 08:20
I have not said that I copied your file, but I was making a map following that logic.What less now? that I'm not wasting my time. Smoke? Why? do not remove the dpf?
You did the bench test?
no, smoke, of course not, the dpf does not remove why? the machine ? my father and he doesn't want problems in the absolute... The logic ? right, then if you look at the post of "tidius" find gi? a setting that is almost defined for edc16c39.
The test bench I have done and not do?, I do not care to know how many horses he has, so I would change nothing, at least if I have a day that I have nothing to do, I do a test with powerdyn.
as you said, that was far from the 500Nm of torque, I thought that you were safe... What? this post what is this?
SandroMarciano
04-05-2013, 19:03
the post was in the discussion on the 147!
the 500Nm trust me, not them, is barely behind my 156...
You I found it and I finished just now read it. very interesting.
I wanted to try and unlock only the limiters, without changing the other and see what happens. You have done this, or have "served well as the outline" ?
SandroMarciano
04-05-2013, 19:51
on the 159 ? enough to unlock only the limiter since the ecu was calibrated to deliver 100mm^3/s, then depends on how many horses miri...
on the 159 ? enough to unlock only the limiter since the ecu was calibrated to deliver 100mm^3/s, then depends on how many horses miri...
The hp as a number that don't interest me, I d? discomfort accelerate and not have the response that a 150hp should have. and especially after 3000 rpm you can accelerate as much as you want, but the thrust is always that
SandroMarciano
05-05-2013, 11:29
that ? the setting that is imprinted by the manufacturer for each diesel vehicle. From the map I assure you that you can fix easily this behavior, and if you know how to interact between the various maps you can create yourself an answer as you want.
Yesterday for example I changed a gt150, the owner first had a 147 2.0 ts and demanded a payment by turbobenzina in the GT, so? I set to deliver 80mm^3/s in the learning speed gains (by sacrificing a little bit of torque in the low), but the customer said that I renewed the car!
This is to say that if you know how to work the various maps, the change will be? exactly as one would expect.
Sorry for the OT, now back on topic.
Still a little patience... Here in Turin the time, and unworthy.. ? to make the log I wanted at least a day without rain..
Hi all..today I did some tests with a diagnosis inserted..autocom me how quantity? fuel injected "maximum" 61m3per the.... According to you what can I bring and where do I find this in the map?
SandroMarciano
07-05-2013, 08:01
parts from the conversion table torque/IQ and convert that brought in a pair, and then find yourself in the maps on the pedal and in the various torque limiters.
If you post the log, I think it may help
parts from the conversion table torque/IQ and convert that brought in a pair, and then find yourself in the maps on the pedal and in the various torque limiters.
If you post the log, I think it may help
The tables to the address that you gave me I did not find( with ecm).. You know where to save the log autocom when you click the button "photography"..????
SandroMarciano
07-05-2013, 11:18
no, I think that I had to click on the symbol of the aircraft, set the data to be stored, then find them in the micro sd card.
Conversion tables then I try to give you the correct address.
no, I think that I had to click on the symbol of the aircraft, set the data to be stored, then find them in the micro sd card.
Conversion tables then I try to give you the correct address.
SandroMarciano
07-05-2013, 23:18
no, that way if I remember correctly, you're only the acquisition of the frame in which awards the photo, and then only a moment.
no, that way if I remember correctly, you're only the acquisition of the frame in which awards the photo, and then only a moment.
...then tell me well how to do...what ?' the button plane?????
SandroMarciano
07-05-2013, 23:22
honestly I've never done it, I read the acquisition should be pressing that button, I have the sw delphi, and seeing the home first to connect I see the command, but I repeat that I speak for ideas, perhaps it would be better to ask in a specific area.
honestly I've never done it, I read the acquisition should be pressing that button, I have the sw delphi, and seeing the home first to connect I see the command, but I repeat that I speak for ideas, perhaps it would be better to ask in a specific area.
..being a person who is very curious..I have installed the delphi to see it make the log... But which one ?' the key plane????? Can you post a picture???
SandroMarciano
09-05-2013, 17:41
3985
Where ? the arrow, bottom right
3985
Where ? the arrow, bottom right
,,,!!!!!!!amazing... I have installed delphi for curiosity?..I copied the sect gigi of your screen..but to me, that button does not appear!!!...ps I have also enabled all the licenses...but your ?' ori? ? that update?
The maps, which indicates the ecm maps accelerator from break like those, no, but I'd be just as safe as the next to 3, which is designated c'? a map 16x16 >> 1C209C that I d? the impression that the + indicated...., if we compare the torque limiter, it seems that the + trusted is that, for? I may be wrong...
To ****llo turbine I have seen the map of an overboost that x is a variable geometry, it seemed to me strange, I did a search on the internet and I see that ? a mitsubishi TF035 fixed geometry controlled pneumatically by the ecu...
In edc16, there must be the map Nm>>Iq, I can find it, usually ? shortly after the time of injection....
The maps fumes might be to these addresses?? all 16x16
190358
19059C
1907E0
And this 16x25 191B02 that the map could be? Conversion??
I see that often maps the breakpoint on the X-axis to arrive at 3200, what corresponds to these axes??? Diesel or Nm??
...you are absolutely right.,I gave a look to the turbine! Not ? variable geometry..I wasn't expecting half the cos? recently..but then the maps overbost and turbo what command?
SandroMarciano
09-05-2013, 22:45
,,,!!!!!!!amazing... I have installed delphi for curiosity?..I copied the sect gigi of your screen..but to me, that button does not appear!!!...ps I have also enabled all the licenses...but your ?' ori? ? that update?
no, it's not ? ori even my version I have the '12 final
Cristiano75
10-05-2013, 14:39
...you are absolutely right.,I gave a look to the turbine! Not ? variable geometry..I wasn't expecting half the cos? recently..but then the maps overbost and turbo what command?
For me, the turbine though ? fixed geometry, the ecu controls the pressure via the wastegate, for which x me those values adjusts the aperture... it makes the engine less abrupt... 1 small turbine with wastegate pneumatic controlled by the ecu to me x the engine responds almost as if it had a variable geometry.... so the engine avr? a minimum at about 800 rpm and a max at 3500rpm.. for which the scissors ? short...... if they could in fact do without the variable.
here is the first change that which should be the dw and its limiters..of course corregetemi if I'm wrong,according to a calculation stupid having as a maximum injection 60m3 about to a torque of 320(value, 1850 in tabular not yet deciphered)now with the change I should be able to inject approximately 70m3...I look forward to feedback..
SandroMarciano
12-05-2013, 10:36
18E1A4 torque limiter
18e270 another torque limiter
18E4C0 likely limiter diesel
18EE7C limiter diesel
1CA93C I Think it's always related to the egr, I would leave ori
1ca9a2 see above
1d1870 more likely limiter diesel
1D222C limiter diesel
18E1A4 torque limiter
18e270 another torque limiter
18E4C0 likely limiter diesel
18EE7C limiter diesel
1CA93C I Think it's always related to the egr, I would leave ori
1ca9a2 see above
1d1870 more likely limiter diesel
1D222C limiter diesel
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the maps pedal I review but (enrichment in the acc from the ecm)3 maps..I think I have touched them all..or maybe not------'?but you have to use ecm?
SandroMarciano
12-05-2013, 16:04
SandroMarciano
14-05-2013, 14:50
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I modified the two maps of limiters diesel..the address that you gave me are the beginning of the curve, right?now I have changed in 2d ... but (I am not very handy..thanks for the great help..)how can I know the values that have?the first would be a 3200 that may be the couple\10..then 320nm..the second was 4000?ps in winols I am not able to enlarge the map..there is a lot of difference between the 1.5 and the 2.24?
SandroMarciano
14-05-2013, 16:27
Yes, sorry I was wrong to write... torque Limiters,those diesel for now, not the homtoccate..
SandroMarciano
14-05-2013, 16:34
I redid those two maps,I hope correct..moving on to the limiters diesel,16 curves to peak?the values you can tell me what show?..I prefer to do one at a time..
SandroMarciano
14-05-2013, 17:25
SandroMarciano
15-05-2013, 07:42
The peaks, however, limit the diesel, I think, measured in mg/icon conversion factor of 0.01
carmageddon
15-05-2013, 10:12
here it is according to changes sandromarciano..
SandroMarciano
15-05-2013, 13:54
I am attaching a screen, you practice, you need to modify the last column, the one that is highlighted, so as to obtain a normal operating condition (the column below the value of 1) the flow rate of the diesel maximum.
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/197/limitatoregasolio.png
SandroMarciano
15-05-2013, 13:57
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then, as I did I would have an increase only at 2350 rpm..right?..
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then, as I did I would have an increase only at 2350 rpm..right?..
I reinserted the image
SandroMarciano
15-05-2013, 15:01
exactly, changing only the altima column.
so it should be correct,I changed from 1500 rpm to 3700...what patience you have!!!!!!
SandroMarciano
15-05-2013, 15:51
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here we are..following your vital signs(a huge thanks to sandromarciano)..should be complete,who wanted to give us a look and judge...
SandroMarciano
16-05-2013, 17:22
For other things to correct you mean modified by me, and badly made or even gold? I didn't want to overdo it too much,these means bring it on back 40 tons... If I'm not mistaken, the couple should have brought it in theory from 320. 350...
SandroMarciano
16-05-2013, 17:35
For other things to correct you mean modified by me, and badly made or even gold? I didn't want to overdo it too much,these means bring it on back 40 tons... If I'm not mistaken, the couple should have brought it in theory from 320. 350...
350Nm are still a few, then it would be the very least to understand if the change hadn't worked, then you could also drop... however you see yourself, for the other possible fixes reread always the post in which you segnalavo the various addresses, especially those maps that to me, seem to be related to the egr
350Nm are still a few, then it would be the very least to understand if the change hadn't worked, then you could also drop... however you see yourself, for the other possible fixes reread always the post in which you segnalavo the various addresses, especially those maps that to me, seem to be related to the egr
..everything that I've reported him, I have changed,except for the two maps that you think are the egr even why?' the egr should be closed(or mistaken), ?however, as soon as possible to the load,I try also with the diagnosis and let you know, .. do you Think there are problems writing the control unit with a chicken 2 of the east?
SandroMarciano
16-05-2013, 17:50
absolutely no, I use it daily as a primary tool, to the limit if you're not sure you create a backup first in the bdm...
..mmmm.. never done it.. Now I read the procedure, special tools are required as a dime, etc?
SandroMarciano
16-05-2013, 18:19
are not critical, you can also solder the pinstrip that you have given in the box.
are not critical, you can also solder the pinstrip that you have given in the box.
Ps.. But l,the egr you have doubts is closed?
SandroMarciano
17-05-2013, 09:40
sincerely, but try this map, and from the diagnosis check. Of course also check if the diesel ? unlocked at least a little bit!
Today I feel in the obd, the intersection ledita , attack power supply and we feel..ps how long should I expect us to write? I hear conflicting opinions on the Edc 15 puts us in 2 minutes., other I don't try..
SandroMarciano
17-05-2013, 10:01
do not put the power supplies, richi, who give you tension changes, make sure that the battery will give you 12v and just, to write in the same genre edc16c39 takes about 2 minutes, on edc 15 less than 30s. however, don't be afraid, the 16c39 does not create problems!
You wondered why? when I did read, I pretended to have to the writing and me ? output written that it may take a pi? 30 minutes.. Thanks
here we are..today the day of testing.,I loaded the map with all the changes,I crossed my fingers and after 1 minute and 30 seconds it was all over..(this is the good part),I tried the camper with diagnosis enabled,confirm the correct closure of the egr is by the control of both the real percentage,but as a increases, I have to say that I have not found any improvement,I checked the amount? injected and siam went from a maximum of 61m3 to 65m3..in practice you do not notice,I stopped,I rimodificato maps pedal(only those), giving significant increases(12%),but once written and tested, I was still standing at 65m3..it depends all from that limiter that I mod only up to 350 or we have another that stops us?ps the medium does not smoke then do not actually inject more..
Dragonfly
17-05-2013, 18:42
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here we are..today the day of testing.,I loaded the map with all the changes,I crossed my fingers and after 1 minute and 30 seconds it was all over..(this is the good part),I tried the camper with diagnosis enabled,confirm the correct closure of the egr is by the control of both the real percentage,but as a increases, I have to say that I have not found any improvement,I checked the amount? injected and siam went from a maximum of 61m3 to 65m3..in practice you do not notice,I stopped,I rimodificato maps pedal(only those), giving significant increases(12%),but once written and tested, I was still standing at 65m3..it depends all from that limiter that I mod only up to 350 or we have another that stops us?ps the medium does not smoke then do not actually inject more..
Sorry, but the map golds you can see, putting it and vediammo !!
Sorry, but the map golds you can see, putting it and vediammo !!
? the post no. 22 of this discussion..
then..I saw him in the whole map,actually, as it says sandro I still had two torque limiters stuck at 345nm that account 320 ori maybe it was actually a little bit to be able to sentie something about a half of that tonnage,I rearranged them to 370nm(then limit them abbassero after)..riallego mod file and file gold..if you have any other ideas..thanks
SandroMarciano
19-05-2013, 09:17
damn, we lost a host of limiters scary, in a day I try to put them up I, cos? let's see if we can make it go...
damn, we lost a host of limiters scary, in a day I try to put them up I, cos? let's see if we can make it go...
thanks sandro,but I've lost myself from those that I have indicated or are there others?
SandroMarciano
19-05-2013, 10:29
thanks sandro,but I've lost myself from those that I have indicated or are there others?
I increased to 50Nm torque and 15mm^3/i (or mg/i haven't I understand) in the diesel fuel, the test cos? if ? increased. If it worked after the set better by lowering or raising what you want.
I increased to 50Nm torque and 15mm^3/i (or mg/i haven't I understand) in the diesel fuel, the test cos? if ? increased. If it worked after the set better by lowering or raising what you want.
hello,I was looking at the map.you basically changed everything I did,a flood of new addresses that I do not understand(one-to-case 1DEFAA)with a straight line, set to 6500 account 5000 gold..they are all lim diesel?I also saw that you changed the curves already made and remittances ori and changed only the last curve to the address(ID1870)..one thing that I don't understand(among many others)have put ori couple a3200 to the address 1CA93C..why?if I'm exaggerating with the questions tell me that I resizing..
a beautiful map! you never learn
loaded the map again last mod...you can be the judge..still 67m3..
SandroMarciano
19-05-2013, 18:24
hello,I was looking at the map.you basically changed everything I did,a flood of new addresses that I do not understand(one-to-case 1DEFAA)with a straight line, set to 6500 account 5000 gold..they are all lim diesel?I also saw that you changed the curves already made and remittances ori and changed only the last curve to the address(ID1870)..one thing that I don't understand(among many others)have put ori couple a3200 to the address 1CA93C..why?if I'm exaggerating with the questions tell me that I resizing..
Limiters straight line should be limiters for diesel in function of the speed? (many). The torque limiter, and I quote from memory, I think it is a control of the egr in regeneration or something of the sort, in fact the area ? that. Perhaps there are too many things, but you give it a try and report if this worked, then let's finish it and to speak in detail of every map that I have touched.
Limiters straight line should be limiters for diesel in function of the speed? (many). The torque limiter, and I quote from memory, I think it is a control of the egr in regeneration or something of the sort, in fact the area ? that. Perhaps there are too many things, but you give it a try and report if this worked, then let's finish it and to speak in detail of every map that I have touched.
..I tried it,it should be a little better, but a few things,I have posted a PDF Dell.injection..the most 67m3
sorry! ori as mm3 injected?
sorry! ori as mm3 injected?
Approximately 60m3.. But with the increases that were data had to go well beyond the 67...
Approximately 60m3.. But with the increases that were data had to go well beyond the 67...
but the limiters are set to 65mm3
SandroMarciano
20-05-2013, 13:23
it is, in fact, the what ? very strange you have to figure out which maps work and which don't, the door is fully ori met? the map and the met? it is a mod, and see if it gets worse with the first met? mod or with the second or with both, otherwise we don't really know even where "fishing".
SandroMarciano
20-05-2013, 13:25
the other thing, diagnostics, also the injection time over which the p.rail and the flow rate of the diesel fuel.
it is, in fact, the what ? very strange you have to figure out which maps work and which don't, the door is fully ori met? the map and the met? it is a mod, and see if it gets worse with the first met? mod or with the second or with both, otherwise we don't really know even where "fishing".
..help!.*****and it would be half the map? from where to where can I change it?..the strange in fact, that if the first were inpostati to 50m3 and injected about 60m3 ... and now with 65 I was expecting well over 75m3...anyway, a little while ago I went to try again,in fact there are some improvements,but semra only after 2000 rpm(still not exceptional), and after half throttle,the dw I know we will have to increase it before..what do you say?
SandroMarciano
20-05-2013, 18:10
..help!.*****and it would be half the map? from where to where can I change it?..the strange in fact, that if the first were inpostati to 50m3 and injected about 60m3 ... and now with 65 I was expecting well over 75m3...anyway, a little while ago I went to try again,in fact there are some improvements,but semra only after 2000 rpm(still not exceptional), and after half throttle,the dw I know we will have to increase it before..what do you say?
The pedal adjust the print alignment to your taste, I generally try to leave it original (except that in the last values) why? if you scombia you may lose the ability? to maintain the speed? constant. However, after requiring another map and a "map pack".
The pedal adjust the print alignment to your taste, I generally try to leave it original (except that in the last values) why? if you scombia you may lose the ability? to maintain the speed? constant. However, after requiring another map and a "map pack".
Thanks Sandro,the problem of the speed? not me, I place them in the middle of the cruis control.. ,for the speech of the met? map how should I act?
SandroMarciano
20-05-2013, 21:31
first test with gold from the beginning to 1bf614, then the other half?, if you have noticed many of the maps are repeated for? are not identical, but similar, we need to understand who actually uses the ecu...
tap the torque limiters have had a couple, and reduce a bit the consumption
SandroMarciano
20-05-2013, 21:37
tap the torque limiters have had a couple, and reduce a bit the consumption
yes, attualmenente I think I also set all the torque limiters, but the timing of fuel injection and all the maps related to diesel are strange, they seem to have a conversion factor of 0.02, then a value of 5000 reported to the diesel match 100mm3/the very plausible if you look at the time of injection, which in this way would be calibrated up to 150mm^3/s.
Find the map conversion IQ\Nm could help,according to me
yes, attualmenente I think I also set all the torque limiters, but the timing of fuel injection and all the maps related to diesel are strange, they seem to have a conversion factor of 0.02, then a value of 5000 reported to the diesel match 100mm3/the very plausible if you look at the time of injection, which in this way would be calibrated up to 150mm^3/s.
..did I miss something.. If 5000 ( original value) should correspond to 100m3/i..we, instead, ori a maximum of 60m3/the....moved to the 6500 should have 130m3/...and instead we have 67m3/the....where is l.catch?(ps now I change half the map and I try tomorrow)
SandroMarciano
20-05-2013, 22:25
..did I miss something.. If 5000 ( original value) should correspond to 100m3/i..we, instead, ori a maximum of 60m3/the....moved to the 6500 should have 130m3/...and instead we have 67m3/the....where is l.catch?(ps now I change half the map and I try tomorrow)
those are limiters, but you only need one limiter on the pi? the lower limit of the diesel...
However, the conversion tables torque/IQ I have... let's see if I can complete addresses... then place them
SandroMarciano
20-05-2013, 22:32
this is the file for those who don't know you load it into winols after you have loaded the appropriate files for that ? was created by men? project -> the Former & Import -> Import map pack. it presents you with a driver in the ecm created by me, I hope with the conversion factors right.
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this is the file for those who don't know you load it into winols after you have loaded the appropriate files for that ? was created by men? project -> the Former & Import -> Import map pack. it presents you with a driver in the ecm created by me, I hope with the conversion factors right.
4177
Basically, if I understand correctly, the conversion table, for example, if you wanted to 350nm of torque a200o rpm should I inject 54m3/i? ...now I sbizzarrisco one with winols
SandroMarciano
20-05-2013, 23:13
if the conversion factors that I have used are correct...
Today, a day of rain ... Nothing test.. let's Hope for tomorrow .night to all..
Update... I reloaded the map again with some increase in pi? on the dw ,I have given increments gi? from 1500 g and 30% of load up to 3500giri.. Now the medium is further improved as a progression,not to exceed the 67 m3 of injection, ps I tried as I asked Sandro to mod only half the map,well, with both the first half and with the second the camper will not be pi?..( or, better, back ori).. The times of injection autocom ne delphi not me, them, makes us see, the turbo pressure reaches the Max, 1370..(2370)..
SandroMarciano
23-05-2013, 22:55
ok, on the basis of these data we throw down? of the considerations.
ok, on the basis of these data we throw down? of the considerations.
..well, the first thing that I think that I stumbled upon an ECU bloccatissima, or there are missing out on something..
One other thing I wanted to ask,with this type of mapping risk a few mechanical failures.? In my opinion, no, not having touched even the advances (I think ) at the bottom and having obtained increases of 10% low..attend? the opinion of the experts..
I also think you gave too few increments to be able to do damage.
SandroMarciano
24-05-2013, 20:22
split split anything, however I were you, I would try to increase heavily the torque limiters.
split split anything, however I were you, I would try to increase heavily the torque limiters.
Thanks Sandro., now I'll try it for a few hundred miles to understand a bit well ****llo consumption what to change.. Then maybe modificher? still.. When you want to illuminate me on the whole us? that ? been done and not included, I'm all ears and eyes to read...
SandroMarciano
24-05-2013, 20:41
yes, try it well to see if it has an erratic behavior at times, or if it always goes smooth. As a reduction in consumption does not expect who knows? ch?... consider that to appreciate this reduction will need to try to stay with the speed pi? long laps pi? low and try to take advantage of pi? the higher torque.
When I have an hour, I explain my (current) opinion
yes, try it well to see if it has an erratic behavior at times, or if it always goes smooth. As a reduction in consumption does not expect who knows? ch?... consider that to appreciate this reduction will need to try to stay with the speed pi? long laps pi? low and try to take advantage of pi? the higher torque.
When I have an hour, I explain my (current) opinion
Adir the truth? it would be gi? a good goal to have maintained the current consumption with the increase of torque... Just l.italy bring us? gift of the sun( Turin, italy and Liguria) prover? the means and you upgrade everything ..
yes, try it well to see if it has an erratic behavior at times, or if it always goes smooth. As a reduction in consumption does not expect who knows? ch?... consider that to appreciate this reduction will need to try to stay with the speed pi? long laps pi? low and try to take advantage of pi? the higher torque.
When I have an hour, I explain my (current) opinion
Sandro when you want to and you want, I am always very interested in your conclusions..good evening..
Important update!!!!!!!!!
Torn? finally, today, from a week with the camper.. Route turin-saint tropez, andatae return for about 750 km from the..
The medium responds fairly up to about 3000 rpm,then nothing more? but the thing that amazed me and, in fact, what I was thinking I had problems of consumption..well, with this adjustment, having recovered a little power on the part of most use(2000/3000),consumption fell by about 1 litre, I went from 7.5 to almost 9!!!! the foot and' always be my, and of course, the machine must be driven very smoothly, but the path for those who know him not ? of the pi? suitable for low fuel consumption!!! That is to say,a result that is almost unexpected,and a great thanks to all and especially to sandromarciano!!!!
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