Best car for young people..

[angelolsp]

Guys I wanted to ask you this survey which, according to you ? the car to entertain more u guy??

Alfa 147 jtdM
Bmw 120D
wolswagen Golf 1.9 or 2.0
Audi 3
Seat Ibiza Fr or Cupra
Seat Leon
Fiat Stilo
Fiat punto 1.9 jtd

[Alfa159 q4]

In parit? of performance, the bmw with rear wheel drive ? it is probably the most? funny...

[sighline]

The cars that you listed are the usual that captain of every second car that passes , seat. Take the daihatsu charade GTti (993cc turbo) or the toyota starlet, which are the machines of hilarious ( what you need) :)
But if you keep your criteria, I think that the best is cupra/bmw
hello

[Tinturia]

Golf VI 2.0 TDI 170cv and you have fun for sure... having the money to buy it!!! =)

[sportknight]

mmm,I would say 120d for performance and the fact that ? back but ? also a car that does have a lot of fun mechanics hahah

among the ones you said anyway, or the 147 and it is aesthetically very valid, but ? very secure seal and the engine ? reliable and able to get a lot of squeezing it

the ibiza I don't like aesthetically...

the stylus and the point does not appeal to me aesthetically...

the audi a3 ? quite expensive..

the golf ? trivial...

the seat leon first series version of the sport-cupra instead ? very interesting, especially if it is integral and has the same interior of the audi a3 before the series..

[Cristiano75]

I'd take an aventador underground racing... 1200hp and 0-60mph in 2.2 sec.. I think that we could have fun..;)
If you have the liver to take down? to tablet the throttle you will see it exceed 400km/h.....
Think about that adrenaline rush......:cool:

If you want to enjoy a little I'd go for a cupra 163cv ibiza.. with a few targeted interventions will have a plus of the power of the whole than comparable machines between the + performance of similar cubic capacity currently on the market....
Senn? I would opt x a 120d ? always nice to see the machine, just that nn has the normal headlights and the rims on the base..... with a wheel 17, trim and xenon the car in a few years the avr? its charm..... and then ? always bmw....
X the Italian would opt x 147 or 159 sportwagon.. great beautiful car.. also the giulietta 1600 jtm 120 hp model + is equipped with the basic dates of the tips that nn f? regret 1 German quality? higher on the card....

[r6raven2010]

those that you listed are the cars that people buy now for fashion, I am referring to bmw audi... not to mention juliet (I personally hate it)... see some guys that have the money, and I even know what year your hands... but if you really want to have fun get a nice car turbo petrol... kind of the point of the gt were you... but then you see dolve leave the bmw and the audi...

[msport (exil77grande)]

those that you listed are the cars that people buy now for fashion, I am referring to bmw audi... not to mention juliet (I personally hate it)... see some guys that have the money, and I even know what year your hands... but if you really want to have fun get a nice car turbo petrol... kind of the point of the gt were you... but then you see dolve leave the bmw and the audi...

punto gt?
mah and this is a car for young people ? well then get the subscription from the gas station,however, I always return to my speech if you take a diesel serious with some targeted intervention are the numbers.

[r6raven2010]

punto gt?
mah and this is a car for young people ? well then get the subscription from the gas station,however, I always return to my speech if you take a diesel serious with some targeted intervention are the numbers.

he spoke of the " car to have fun, not cheap car... I have the seat leon 2.0 tdi pd 140... and for the moments of "the fusion pure" esco t gt...

[Fedex]

I have an A3, which is very safe and always talking about mine, I can do curves in oversteer in safety even why?, speaking of mia, the esp takes with a moment of delay. As the engine, well, those 140cv you feel a lot and says Msport with some tweaking you should be even better, but if you have the cash c'? always 170CV and maybe with the convertible with panoramic roof *_*

[angelolsp]

Because the 120 are happy that the mechanics? I tt this defect is not there, I see them...which turbo petrol only td :)

[Cristiano75]

diesel or petrol, money permitting are 2 types of style different to drive.
Do you like pull downs, autonomy, and a plus of torque... you choose the diesel
You like the extension of the engine.. hear him spin the top, no matter the autonomy :confused:..... choose gasoline... better if turbo....

I personally have been taken by diesel engines of the vw group, not why? I think the best... (has flaws like all of the engines in circulation, I have a 130hp golf mk4), why? my driving style is the bride fully with the characteristics of the engine....
I am always under 2000 rpm and an average 1500gg, I go down to 1000 rpm in 6? and I do go... the turbo comes almost instantly, pulls well to high.. no ? of course, as a bmw... I rarely go there, I have a range of over 1200km....x in between which stops the distributor and the delivery of the engine I'm happy, I'm not saying that I consider it a tractor :)... the pd ? a tractor labelled x go over 40km/h.... was + silent one with the rotary pump if the nn was x the 6? gear.... Son 15 years old that I drive these tractors..... Sorry x l' O. T.

[angelolsp]

it is, in fact, I love the diesel x the torque output from now on!

[angelolsp]

[QUOTE=sportknight;41195]mmm,I would say 120d for performance and the fact that ? back but ? also a car that does have a lot of fun mechanics hahahQUOTE]
I wanted to know why the 120d are diverrtire mechanics...you had 1 ke has given you problems??

[Tinturia]

I don't have a bike but some time ago, I tried an Mv Agusta Brutale and would not do anything bad...even the sound was good! cmq ? true...the Ducati sounds good!!!

[the dark service]

surely the 120d even better if it's 123d.

[Fedex]

I don't have a bike but some time ago, I tried an Mv Agusta Brutale and would not do anything bad...even the sound was good! cmq ? true...the Ducati sounds good!!!
But one thing beautiful ducati ? also the dry clutch that has that typical sound from ducati. :D

[giarras]

a beautiful juliet, how do you see it?

[Fedex]

a beautiful juliet, how do you see it?
A friend of mine has the 170cv but not ? so + strong with my A3 140cv, but ...
While aesthetically ? a lady car, and I like it :)

[angelolsp]

the giulietta and a show, but it seems like a car, the most seria.non for 18-20 years... the 123 much of the 120 speaking of 163 ke to me and very best d aesthetic ke performance cost around 6000-7000

[Cristiano75]

the giulietta and a show, but it seems like a car, the most seria.non for 18-20 years... the 123 much of the 120 speaking of 163 ke to me and very best d aesthetic ke performance cost around 6000-7000

10,000/to 12,000 euros a 123d you take...... nn and many miles.... 100,000 km .. I have many.. perhaps you ? just melted....:cool:
The one s? that you have fun.... x perhaps the first few days the ecu, you can leave ori... :confused:

[angelolsp]

In fact, with the same price, take 2 120 xD ke, however, are no less

[angelolsp]

a couple of weeks ago a friend of mine with a 120 map and catalyst is raised to the km and arrived almost a machine behind the 123 map and defappato...already you part with 40 hp difference..

[Cristiano75]

a couple of weeks ago a friend of mine with a 120 map and catalyst is raised to the km and arrived almost a machine behind the 123 map and defappato...already you part with 40 hp difference..

The first 204cv you might get to share 265cv..... hard to keep up with a 120d which originally would have 163cv.. depends on who he puts his hands to the point that squeezes them the tsi engines....
Sin not to have one.. I'm happy with my tractor.. the golf 130 mules...;)

[angelolsp]

indeed...it depends on who he puts his hands :D also your "tractor" and a show is all about the soundo when you put a sports exhaust...and unlike golf 5 flywheel...golf 4 ecu and exhaust you know how much the machine gave to a golf 5 map and turbine...made by the same mechanic

[Fedex]

Instead, I find it very nice hyundai coup?, as among other things, my dream would have been the FORD MUNSTANG, I have seen 2 for sale in CT to 10Keuro, but it would have been a whim cannot be maintained....

[guidotacco]

Instead, I find it very nice hyundai coup?, as among other things, my dream would have been the FORD MUNSTANG, I have seen 2 for sale in CT to 10Keuro, but it would have been a whim cannot be maintained....
let it be sti pieces of iron,I would call them even drive,personal opinion!:)

[Fedex]

let it be sti pieces of iron,I would call them even drive,personal opinion!:)
Why?? I have driven one, and I honestly was not bad.

[msport (exil77grande)]

speaking of the 120d concorde that the 163cv you can pump a lot better and responds better to the changes,for the 120d arrived near the 123d speaks of the 163cv right?
surely you and I will tell you as well because,in practice many bmw edc17 (not all) and let's talk about the 143cv-177cv and 204cv have a problem and that means that as soon as the maps and exceed a certain threshold, and we talk about a few hp of the type on some 10cv on the other, even up to 20cv, the machine goes into protection and then you must try the limte before the recovery if you do not know the solution that is currently for what I know, both in italy and abroad on the basis of all my knowledge no one and able to resolve what the staff can do, and then as I see the 123d is very soft unlike the 163cv which it is pumped.

[angelolsp]

that guy I was talking to his 123 that only a prerparatore and managed to get it going without any additional increase prssione of the turbo ke and the original 2 bar..but I don't know if this is true about the pressure... and still c and another 120d 177 hp that I've heard of a problem of all these new bmw engine, but you know what it is?

[carlo abarth]

ke blend!!! and the chain is noisy due to lubrication failure!!!!

[msport (exil77grande)]

that guy I was talking to his 123 that only a prerparatore and managed to get it going without any additional increase prssione of the turbo ke and the original 2 bar..but I don't know if this is true about the pressure... and still c and another 120d 177 hp that I've heard of a problem of all these new bmw engine, but you know what it is?


we are able to solve the problem, but only in the workshop.

[angelolsp]

And yet I turn a lot of it seems to ke them have all the 163 hp

[Fedex]

And yet I turn a lot of it seems to ke them have all the 163 hp
Still a engine "modern" that has no problems I do not know. Thinks I have an A3 with the engine BKD.


Still a engine "modern" that has no problems I do not know. Thinks I have an A3 with the engine BKD.

To add, I recently saw a 320 new and gorgeous completely burnt out... (they say it's been a short circuit),
The Ferrari that you set fire to spontaneous combustion.
While the tide 1.6 petrol 100cv of my father with almost 200.000km has all of the problems except the engine.

[angelolsp]

And normal every car has problems, my dad has a primera with 300,000 km and has only seen the countryside and olive oil very cheap still walking? :)

[guidotacco]

[QUOTE=Fedex;41477]Why?? I have driven one, and I honestly was not bad.[/QUOTE
hyundai or ford?

[Fedex]

[QUOTE=Fedex;41477]Why?? I have driven one, and I honestly was not bad.[/QUOTE
hyundai or ford?

hyundai... ford MUSTANG magariiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii *_*

[guidotacco]

[QUOTE=guidotacco;41605]

hyundai... ford MUSTANG magariiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii *_*
I've tried it in canada,you will not lose nothing,always personal opinion!

[angelolsp]

a friend of mine american has a 135 with the exhaust and a half the map test that!!!xD

[Fedex]

a friend of mine american has a 135 with the exhaust and a half the map test that!!!xD
When and where??? XD

[Dragonfly]

Guys I wanted to ask you this survey which, according to you ? the car to entertain more u guy??

Alfa 147 jtdM
Bmw 120D
wolswagen Golf 1.9 or 2.0
Audi 3
Seat Ibiza Fr or Cupra
Seat Leon
Fiat Stilo
Fiat punto 1.9 jtd

Listing between fun and safety to 1000x1000 BMW 120d !!!

[angelolsp]

When and where??? XD

Ahhahhahah no one can figure out of 4? you can still feel the tires scream

[Fedex]

Ahhahhahah no one can figure out of 4? you can still feel the tires scream
I repeat, when and where???? I see one of my old render
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think that I had done well as the animation, and I tell you that there was so much smoke XD

[guidotacco]

a friend of mine american has a 135 with the exhaust and a half the map test that!!!xD

it ends up that the americans know how to do well as car engines or car!but........

[angelolsp]

he works as a military sigonella and care all the electronics...not a foo-ball

[igor]

if we talk about fun and sealing between these cars is the best ? the 147 has a frame of the fantastic (3-door version), the best of the list, in my opinion, costa "little" and with the money saved in the purchase you are going to buy a nice trim koni with springs of kn (I have one, and in the curves or in the round moves of a comma)
the only flaw ? the engine has less performance of the bmw or 2.0 of the house, wv, but we you can? work well and with great reliability

[Fedex]

he works as a military sigonella and care all the electronics...not a foo-ball
Interesting... But it works as an external company, or ? the military, therefore, the the american american. I would be interested to know.

[Dragonfly]

if we talk about fun and sealing between these cars is the best ? the 147 has a frame of the fantastic (3-door version), the best of the list, in my opinion, costa "little" and with the money saved in the purchase you are going to buy a nice trim koni with springs of kn (I have one, and in the curves or in the round moves of a comma)
the only flaw ? the engine has less performance of the bmw or 2.0 of the house, wv, but we you can? work well and with great reliability?

Test the 120d and we can talk about it, careful all golds except for the map !!!

[angelolsp]

And american!!! however, I don't think ke the jtd are less performing!! lavorali all and 2 fly jtd...

[Albertolnd]

diesel or petrol, money permitting are 2 types of style different to drive.
Do you like pull downs, autonomy, and a plus of torque... you choose the diesel
You like the extension of the engine.. hear him spin the top, no matter the autonomy :confused:..... choose gasoline... better if turbo....

I personally have been taken by diesel engines of the vw group, not why? I think the best... (has flaws like all of the engines in circulation, I have a 130hp golf mk4), why? my driving style is the bride fully with the characteristics of the engine....
I am always under 2000 rpm and an average 1500gg, I go down to 1000 rpm in 6? and I do go... the turbo comes almost instantly, pulls well to high.. no ? of course, as a bmw... I rarely go there, I have a range of over 1200km....x in between which stops the distributor and the delivery of the engine I'm happy, I'm not saying that I consider it a tractor :)... the pd ? a tractor labelled x go over 40km/h.... was + silent one with the rotary pump if the nn was x the 6? gear.... Son 15 years old that I drive these tractors..... Sorry x l' O. T.

[Albertolnd]

Anyway, among the list of all the cars listed I prefer the golf 1.9 TDI or the leon 1.9 TDI.. I know machines mastine.. sports.. and powerful.. but as finishes I prefer the 147.. but anke the bmw 120D are not bad.. my mechanic nne h? a too beautiful.. I say let the numbers k f?!! :P

[danny677]

Guys I wanted to ask you this survey which, according to you ? the car to entertain more u guy??

Alfa 147 jtdM
Bmw 120D
wolswagen Golf 1.9 or 2.0
Audi 3
Seat Ibiza Fr or Cupra
Seat Leon
Fiat Stilo
Fiat punto 1.9 jtd

who is it for ? it is accustomed to rear-wheel drive the 120d ? the top, also with a thousand of eur between the turbine 330d, exhaust, and the map pulls out a ton of hp and torque. Who wants to stay on the front-wheel-drive definitely Alfa JtdM

[angelolsp]

I don't think ke they want to a thousand euros x have fun xD...sq km the best then were alfa and bmw but prestazionalmente ki and the better of the 2?? I am convinced ke engines jtd volanoooo!!!

[danny677]

No Angel, the speech performance is reached must be compared based on the budget available.. I I pi? experience 120d and + occasions
with about 550 eur a turbine of the 330d on the baya I remedied, with 300 I did make a flange and downpipe, and are advanced also eur to make a couple of straight pipe for the exhaust.
But gi? in the original configuration if you want to go to luca stanca/dekat, and the map is a 120d that alfa do still have to go to the beast.
The 120 and the alpha are 2 cars in the antipodes, from the original the 120d ? + strong but when you're tuning the superiority? between the one and the other ? all to see, and the variables in the game are almost? 3 :
1) the one that you map , 2) a framework that you fatto3, ) the neck of the pilot ;)

? really a discourse of the infinite for which, according to me, needs to be addressed - as I believe it is - with a lot of subjectivity? emotional and amount? of money to spend to make your top choice.

[Albertolnd]

No Angel, the speech performance is reached must be compared based on the budget available.. I I pi? experience 120d and + occasions
with about 550 eur a turbine of the 330d on the baya I remedied, with 300 I did make a flange and downpipe, and are advanced also eur to make a couple of straight pipe for the exhaust.
But gi? in the original configuration if you want to go to luca stanca/dekat, and the map is a 120d that alfa do still have to go to the beast.
The 120 and the alpha are 2 cars in the antipodes, from the original the 120d ? + strong but when you're tuning the superiority? between the one and the other ? all to see, and the variables in the game are almost? 3 :
1) the one that you map , 2) a framework that you fatto3, ) the neck of the pilot ;)

? really a discourse of the infinite for which, according to me, needs to be addressed - as I believe it is - with a lot of subjectivity? emotional and amount? of money to spend to make your top choice.

So you mean k original 120d have more performance of the alfa..?! And change the alpha to become higher??

[Fedex]

I don't think ke they want to a thousand euros x have fun xD...sq km the best then were alfa and bmw but prestazionalmente ki and the better of the 2?? I am convinced ke engines jtd volanoooo!!!
Maa.... I with the A3, I do not feel inferior to the Alpha, in fact, a friend of mine with the juliet claims that my A3 ? pi? gritty compared to his juliet.

[Albertolnd]

Invigorating! Xk your and a igniettore pump.. And cm you know sn ir? aggressive.. But by changing it well a history the results I think are more..

[danny677]

Maa.... I with the A3, I do not feel inferior to the Alpha, in fact, a friend of mine with the juliet claims that my A3 ? pi? gritty compared to his juliet.



Great machine, I have a family and mapped to soft ? nice. Only thing if you want to get us out of the many hp and make it compete in standard? with a 120d or a jtm alpha mapped, you have to change the turbine, its original ? all undersized and breaks in a short time.. ( on my gi? the third turbine, and I had consequently calmarne to the pressure )
From the original after 3500 rpm for it to break the house has set about 0.8 bar.

[Fedex]

Invigorating! Xk your and a igniettore pump.. And cm you know sn ir? aggressive.. But by changing it well a history the results I think are more..
I climbed machines "original".
X Danny
you've heard of turbines weak.
But instead tell me, ( OT) but in my turbine there goes the engine oil? I ask you there? why? a friend of mine with a 320 has shredded the turbine at 150K Miles with a beautiful white smoke and his pap? f? done.

[danny677]

All the turbos are oil lubricated, it would be enough to not have to, for 10 seconds, and hello, turbine..
I forbear to say how many can be the causes of break-why? gi? now I am ot

[msport (exil77grande)]

Maa.... I with the A3, I do not feel inferior to the Alpha, in fact, a friend of mine with the juliet claims that my A3 ? pi? gritty compared to his juliet.

do not compare your injector pump with the old jtd which, however, have to say about their changed for good, but in your case, put yourself on a par with the mjet and then see what is the most aggressive since the tdi, belonging to spunot initial then they lose a lot.

[msport (exil77grande)]

So you mean k original 120d have more performance of the alfa..?! And change the alpha to become higher??

don't forget that the 120d has 163cv while I don't know what alpha talk, but the old jtd stops 115hp the old mjet to 140cv while the new mtjet have 120-150 and very few ducati corse 170cv then when you put them in the comparison of the machines, the eye also to the cv of departure.

[Albertolnd]

This no doubt..!! But, see, I wanted to say.. that.. often some cars, with horses under other.. Change is good.. they make better machines with more horses anke they changed.. :)

[danny677]

do not compare your injector pump with the old jtd which, however, have to say about their changed for good, but in your case, put yourself on a par with the mjet and then see what is the most aggressive since the tdi, belonging to spunot initial then they lose a lot.


Paradoxically, if we take the injectors, pump 8valvole ( tdi tdi 130 and 150 ) with the touches right to go over much better than the 16v 2.0 are far + reliable. I saw 130 and 150 turn over the bar with 2 cavalry unspeakable without ever break if you are not in the occasional opportunity to deform the exhaust manifolds ( having the owners very nice this item )

However, I think we agree that if one does not establish a budget lens, you can draw conclusions performance ( whoever wins, we have to spend with policy +money )..
If the comparison were to start from the original then the 120d or a tdi 170 of the vag group, or a history of ducati corse - as you say - are in the hall of the candidate to the podium..

Of course the survey ? small but if we had been able to include any 5-cylinder, 2.0 volvo 163cv, gi? from the original does not ? nothing bad, and was struggling well I think it may reserve many surprises and overturns many clichés..

[angelolsp]

I speak of the 120 163 hp because for me, the better instead x the jtd I am speaking of the 16v 150 hp... then, however, the alpha and the bmw is superior to the injector pump from the outset with only the map??

[Fedex]

do not compare your injector pump with the old jtd which, however, have to say about their changed for good, but in your case, put yourself on a par with the mjet and then see what is the most aggressive since the tdi belonging to the starting point then they lose a lot.

[angelolsp]

in held then not talk about it the alpha are by far the best!!

[crteam]

but audi have you ever driven?

[angelolsp]

Audi a 4...the 156 I find it much better

[crteam]

And staj nguaiat no offense :-)

[angelolsp]

and it is precisely the strength of the alpha seal... me x and best

[eartip]

Guys I wanted to ask you this survey which, according to you ? the car to entertain more u guy??

Alfa 147 jtdM
Bmw 120D
wolswagen Golf 1.9 or 2.0
Audi 3
Seat Ibiza Fr or Cupra
Seat Leon
Fiat Stilo
Fiat punto 1.9 jtd
You have listed all of the possible first car strictly second-hand...nice post...
For me, the two pi? fun are :
Bmw 120D
wolswagen Golf 1.9 or 2.0
hello

[enzopezzano]

if you are new patented a beautiful people.

[sportknight]

Vw up! Uahauhauah

To parye the jokes for a novice driver cmq I think a b-segment type, point, pole, etc.....

[angelolsp]

only 1.9 up xD

[tecnoecu]

well if I would have the chance I'd go for the audi a1 would certainly elegance, style, and performance for nn to talk about quality.hello

[sportknight]

Bruttaaaaaaa

[LL205gti]

RENAULT CLIO III RS: 1998 cc, 16v, 194 hp, 0-100 km/h in 6.9 sec.

[eartip]

if you are new patented a beautiful people.

the new generations are next to luck ...the people in the lead up to 10 years :-)


RENAULT CLIO III RS: 1998 cc, 16v, 194 hp, 0-100 km/h in 6.9 sec.
this I see good even for the old licensed :-)

[LL205gti]

the new generations are next to luck ...the people in the lead up to 10 years :-)


this I see good even for the old licensed :-)

sure, for all true lovers of the power-on-front-wheel-drive!

[MarcoG3092]

[fuorigiri12000]

Without a doubt A3.

[Roberto_Bmw]

I frequently found myself forced to use cars to hire and of course, I've always avoided the category pi? low (panda/ka/Y etc) and therefore I have always found with the cars here already? mentioned. As a personal opinion I would go on a 3 series coup? or the new 4 series, the two-liter consumes nothing and inside the car ? a unique world in comparison with the competition (mb and audi). If, instead, the budget ? limited then I would focus on a bravo that me ? seemed to be the best among the myth/point/delta/astra

[cicciogsr]

gi? by a p? time are looking for a car to replace my old jtd for? reading here and l? I realize that the choice is dictated ? very hard, of the fiat group, I like the engines for? sin of the suspension and the interior.. the bmw I have always liked but if I try to work on the designs of the 2008 c'? the risk of incurring in the problems of the engine n47 chain turbo and clutch... maybe the best compromise ? the vag group by selecting the year with less problems...mercedes friends who have are having problems with the injection system with the system in delphi... when will stay? walk to sar? forced to take the first that I find because I can't decide n? to find something really appealing in my area..

[GPoint]

Perhaps the 147 ? a p? dated compared to the other, then israel's sixth largest city romeo and Juliet. For? also the new Golf or the new Leon, according to me, deserve. Also depends on budget, but maybe as a first car find the pi? expensive.

[carlo abarth]

there are cars that are perfect for the series!!!!
gi? by a p? time are looking for a car to replace my old jtd for? reading here and l? I realize that the choice is dictated ? very hard, of the fiat group, I like the engines for? sin of the suspension and the interior.. the bmw I have always liked but if I try to work on the designs of the 2008 c'? the risk of incurring in the problems of the engine n47 chain turbo and clutch... maybe the best compromise ? the vag group by selecting the year with less problems...mercedes friends who have are having problems with the injection system with the system in delphi... when will stay? walk to sar? forced to take the first that I find because I can't decide n? to find something really appealing in my area..

[cicciogsr]

there are cars that are perfect for the series!!!!


I agree with you...

[Mr.Flash]

sorry if I'm a tagliagambe, but for me, this survey has not sense ....... there are no "drive perfect" in the absolute , for the young but not young ........... always depends on what one is looking for.....

[eartip]

sorry if I'm a tagliagambe, but for me, this survey has not sense ....... there are no "drive perfect" in the absolute , for the young but not young ........... always depends on what one is looking for.....

I try Fiat Barchetta red guard jealously.....oppsss mica are young I am :-)

[Mr.Flash]

that I think you can find it easily ....

[eartip]

The most beautiful fiat...and spins fast...just a shame the engine is not very suitable to the tuning

[alfajtd]

a beautiful elise...
;)

[LL205gti]

sorry if I'm a tagliagambe, but for me, this survey has not sense ....... there are no "drive perfect" in the absolute , for the young but not young ........... always depends on what one is looking for.....

I do not agree with you; each machine has its own style that can be more or less due to the age range. I cite the example of the citroen DS3 racing: in my opinion ? the emblem of the car for young people and for the style (see the aesthetics see the colors) both for performance and offer a fun driving experience.
according to me a "not-young" (let me go through the term) would have different preferences regarding the car with which to have fun.

[Mr.Flash]

but I did not say this..... I said that there isn't the perfect car for young people .
as there is the perfect car for the not so young.

someone take some? convertible, someone coup?, someone all-wheel drive........ it simply does not exist the perfect car regardless of the age group? ! :)

[eartip]

a beautiful elise...
;)

Boat a work of art...Elise pi? ;-) the price of the used prezzo_barchetta : prezzo_elise= 1 : 10

[Riccardo#28]

compare a car built on the platform of the point (with the pattern of suspensions that derives from it) with aluminum frame and four quadrilaterals treble adjustable as the suspension, perhaps ? a bit far-fetched :D

[Mr.Flash]

maybe A LITTLE.... hahahaha

[eartip]

Boat a work of art...Elise pi? ;-) the price of the used prezzo_barchetta : prezzo_elise= 1 : 10


compare a car built on the platform of the point (with the pattern of suspensions that derives from it) with aluminum frame and four quadrilaterals treble adjustable as the suspension, perhaps ? a bit far-fetched :D


maybe A LITTLE.... hahahaha
in fact it was not a comparison are to one another as for the price of 1:10 :-)

[Danyit84]

Excuse me, also if ? a discussion of old, I would like to see a p? you as you think...
I say to you, my, I, as a fun car reject a priori all the new cars...
I have the impression that in new cars you need to crank out the number as high as sought after by the young people... the HP...
C'? a race to produce the car with the pi? the high number of horses...

But then trim/chassis/weight/brakes/performance on the track seem to me to have regressed...

[Cristiano75]

The race to power and to the torque increase (though less so) ? x a need for marketing and the fact that the machines compared to 10years ago, weigh + as they have to withstand the crash test, an optional extra which have, unsprung mass is true of x as the wheels...
example, perhaps the absurd:
1990 hardening 2000 benza 1200kg about tires 185/60 14 (115hp)
2005 Kia Rio 1500 crd 110cv (diesel) 185/65 14 (machine of a lower category and wheel + great even though the app seems to be that a bike)
2014 Fiat Grande punto 1.3 d (86cv) 185/65 15 (car of the same category to the one above, but with the wheels still + large).

X this the powers grow, but often we see that the max speed no, for the limiters in the ecu (rare in some cases) let x contain consumption tends to have a change long enough with the last report, and the accelerations often in the course of years, don't you ? seen a increase significant in the machines say to everyone due to the increase of the overall mass of the car... except the extreme stuff, life and work....

[Danyit84]

But I can report my experience sedan 1994 sedan 2008...
I had a car that only name I was teased and softtuto... we've done everything, never any problems, even on the track I went and I enjoyed it... The brakes always perfect, with original trim and wheels firestone (165/70/13) made laugh, but with a structure that is retrieved from a diesel, and more? fresh and with other small modificeh always to the department, the trim, and replaced the tires with other top brand, and the car ? transformed... really good things, too, of course in relation to the car...
In the forums, I was teased, saying that the car was crap, it was cheap was done by pointing to the savings and how many more? bad things you can say have been said. We took the family a new car back in 2008, I chose for the deal? of basic electronics and why? had 5 stars...
Now I was expecting to have a bomb in the car... I have a Opel, cabbage, other than the car that I had before... discs internally vented, abs tcndsj dafdshjgs of everything...
About 20,000 km I decide that ? the time to pull them a p? the ears... cos? I enjoy a p?... The day after I realize that I have oval disks... :-O
Just taken a lament to the concessionaire a minimum very irregular and abnormal vibrations. The damage is not resolved and I are torn away 50€. The problem is solved when a year ago it will ruin the mythical seal-side distribution. We discover that it was in advance electronically. Phase as it should, goes in motion a beauty and has a minimum waaay more? regular basis, and the vibration disappeared.
For? remained the problem of the misfire, given that we have always had the doubt about the correct operation of the coils, as soon as I have one to hand I try... the car is a beauty... and then also defective reels...
This ? only part of the problems... so I ask you, my car is 1994 1300 gasoline, which was 12 per litre has never given me problems. This new car brand name blazoned, 1.2 ecotec with 100000 systems antiinquinamento technology that is 20 years more? new is the same as 12 per liter (mounts engine ecotec, please note). Not only that, but if my car is 1994, it was built to cost very little, this is how, and with what ? built...??? My mother is working to keep the car another p?...
I swear I can not enjoy it for a p? working that something breaks... also nonsense, but hell to me is annoying...

[dariuccio]

I sincerely would take a mini john cooper workscon the pulley of the compressor is smaller and a aquamist,
a map serious I'd be in heaven

[sardoecu]

Yes, but consume beast D:

[angelolsp]

From where, and output the point 1.9 150?

[matteo23]

According to me, a beautiful golf 5, With the turbine, IC and map serious... little expense and a lot of made..


An avalanche of torque, safe and 240 Hp.

[Polabarth]

A mini or an Abarth

[cronoprima]

it is, in fact, I love the diesel x the torque output from now on!

[angelolsp]

anyways no, of course not compare a turbo petrol engine, with a turbo diesel...spoke only of diesel because now a petrol serious not everyone can keep it...

[Mikigor]

when I was 18 I had a lancia delta integrale evo1 no kat replica martini. ce lho still but I don't think my son I'll grow with such a machine

[cronoprima]

But I can report my experience sedan 1994 sedan 2008...
I had a car that only name I was teased and softtuto... we've done everything, never any problems, even on the track I went and I enjoyed it... The brakes always perfect, with original trim and wheels firestone (165/70/13) made laugh, but with a structure that is retrieved from a diesel, and more? fresh and with other small modificeh always to the department, the trim, and replaced the tires with other top brand, and the car ? transformed... really good things, too, of course in relation to the car...
In the forums, I was teased, saying that the car was crap, it was cheap was done by pointing to the savings and how many more? bad things you can say have been said. We took the family a new car back in 2008, I chose for the deal? of basic electronics and why? had 5 stars...
Now I was expecting to have a bomb in the car... I have a Opel, cabbage, other than the car that I had before... discs internally vented, abs tcndsj dafdshjgs of everything...
About 20,000 km I decide that ? the time to pull them a p? the ears... cos? I enjoy a p?... The day after I realize that I have oval disks... :-O
Just taken a lament to the concessionaire a minimum very irregular and abnormal vibrations. The damage is not resolved and I are torn away 50€. The problem is solved when a year ago it will ruin the mythical seal-side distribution. We discover that it was in advance electronically. Phase as it should, goes in motion a beauty and has a minimum waaay more? regular basis, and the vibration disappeared.
For? remained the problem of the misfire, given that we have always had the doubt about the correct operation of the coils, as soon as I have one to hand I try... the car is a beauty... and then also defective reels...
This ? only part of the problems... so I ask you, my car is 1994 1300 gasoline, which was 12 per litre has never given me problems. This new car brand name blazoned, 1.2 ecotec with 100000 systems antiinquinamento technology that is 20 years more? new is the same as 12 per liter (mounts engine ecotec, please note). Not only that, but if my car is 1994, it was built to cost very little, this is how, and with what ? built...??? My mother is working to keep the car another p?...
I swear I can not enjoy it for a p? working that something breaks... also nonsense, but hell to me is annoying...
now I'm curious to know what car were you in 1994. also a turbo once, making a tube. valla to buy now... :-/


when I was 18 I had a lancia delta integrale evo1 no kat replica martini. ce lho still but I don't think my son I'll grow with such a machine

why?? I would pay to get back to my impreza STI and a tomorrow to give it to my son. certain cars are dangerous if one does not have the head. I have had to sell to the desperate. pay 1100€ stamp duty ? madness, and I stayed behind to pay the other two. the state of m...a!!!

[Mikigor]

mine is the historic car for 4 years now.

[SanJoe]

These days a good multijet low power consumption :)

[Polabarth]

If you make a few km to the diesel does not make, and the particulate filter becomes clogged

[SanJoe]

[Sirius83]

Skoda roomster 1.6 very interesting car for young guys.