Golf V 2.0 TDI DPF opinions on mapping

[cawadany]

Hello to all. I read the file of a Golf V GTI 2.0 TFSI 200 hp DSG. The car ? definitely mapped. I share files ori and mod so that you can talk about having opinions, advice and criticism from the pi? experts, and maybe can? be the opportunity to take a cue and learn something for beginners like me.

[magi1984]

I'm not a big expert of petrol cars, but surely an error that you jump me in the eye c'?...
the map that ecm called the throttle Valve - operating angle why? leave it original?
the butterfly opens up to 70% as a maximum, if you change the map, making it open up to 99% is surely ONLY a good

on some cars, like the mini one 1.6 90hp (same engine as the mini cooper 115hp) only with the release of the butterfly you get 25cv

[cawadany]

I'm not a big expert of petrol cars, but surely an error that you jump me in the eye c'?...
the map that ecm called the throttle Valve - operating angle why? leave it original?
the butterfly opens up to 70% as a maximum, if you change the map, making it open up to 99% is surely ONLY a good

on some cars, like the mini one 1.6 90hp (same engine as the mini cooper 115hp) only with the release of the butterfly you get 25cv

I would say s?, if the ecm mix up with that map, I would say that ? good to make it open the whole!

[magi1984]

I suppose you have driven the car, according to you, how's it going?

[minijuri]

I'm not a big expert of petrol cars, but surely an error that you jump me in the eye c'?...
the map that ecm called the throttle Valve - operating angle why? leave it original?
the butterfly opens up to 70% as a maximum, if you change the map, making it open up to 99% is surely ONLY a good

on some cars, like the mini one 1.6 90hp (same engine as the mini cooper 115hp) only with the release of the butterfly you get 25cv

[cawadany]

I suppose you have driven the car, according to you, how's it going?

The car is fine, but to me, on these engines you can? to obtain better.

[gorimotors]

You need to also work on the DSG to get a pair of decent this engine...

[cawadany]

You need to also work on the DSG to get a pair of decent this engine...

Well, the DSG holds up to 350 nm from the original. And I would say that ? gi? decent as a couple.....

[gorimotors]

For a 2.0 tfsi honestly there are not so many.. With a decent map on a manual transmission, you are far beyond!

[cawadany]

For a 2.0 tfsi honestly there are not so many.. With a decent map on a manual transmission, you are far beyond!

Look what we are talking about 200 hp from 280 nm from the original, and is mounted on a K03. The 230/240/265/270/272 cv mounts K04, and then l? the discourse ? different.

[gorimotors]

then, just to dirtene a:

Golf 5 TDI with DSG 200cv with the map well done: travel to and strong
Audi TT TFSI with MANUAL 200cv with the map the same: it travels three times!

[cawadany]

then, just to dirtene a:

Golf 5 TDI with DSG 200cv with the map well done: travel to and strong
Audi TT TFSI with MANUAL 200cv with the map the same: it travels three times!

The TT weighs in as a minimum 150 kg less, if not 200, and has a areodinamica much better.
In addition, the manual more the impression to be strong, the DSG does not impress cos? but is the road.....

[gorimotors]

The TT weighs in as a minimum 150 kg less, if not 200, and has a areodinamica much better.
In addition, the manual more the impression to be strong, the DSG does not impress cos? but is the road.....

Same thing on the scirocco, in parit? engine with dsg and manual, the story changes completely! and not ? as a matter of sensations, I assure you!

Scirocco 210cv manual , only the map + skat I pulled out 84Nm of torque. I figured if the mountains k04 , and friz reinforced.. On a DSG if you don't act on the ecu that runs it we do not make granch?!

However, the DSG ? limited as a couple as I repeat.. Not as power. Then ? normal stretching.. Like a manual transmission. Of course, if there are horses!

[cawadany]

Same thing on the scirocco, in parit? engine with dsg and manual, the story changes completely! and not ? as a matter of sensations, I assure you!

Also in this case the comparison ? inpari. What is the meaning of compare a Scirocco with a Golf? The comparison should be made between Golf and Golf, and trusted that, if the map ? done right, the DSG does not have all these problems, on the contrary..... even why? if you push a good map begins to have problems even with the manual.....


Scirocco 210cv manual , only the map + skat I pulled out 84Nm of torque. I figured if the mountains k04 , and friz reinforced.. On a DSG if you don't act on the ecu that runs it we do not make granch?!

However, the DSG ? limited as a couple as I repeat.. Not as power. Then ? normal stretching.. Like a manual transmission. Of course, if there are horses!

I'm talking about K03. And starting from 280 nm you've come to 364 nm. As you can see, we are at about 350 nm that I spoke of at the beginning. With K03 are not able to go much further.....

[gorimotors]

Perhaps I expressed myself badly: The comparison ? been between 2 scirocco.

However you perhaps you are confusing the physical limit of 350Nm with the electronic one.

[cawadany]

Perhaps I expressed myself badly: The comparison ? been between 2 scirocco.

However you perhaps you are confusing the physical limit of 350Nm with the electronic one.

Then, I know that the DSG has a set limit in the ecu that manages the system, which is the limit to 350 nm.
The discourse ? that with a K03 not make sense to spend 600 euros and the mapping of the DSG, as with a mapping engine reaches values close to 350 nm, and then of the big problems there are.

[gorimotors]

Soon I will do a drum roll on the various auto dsg and not. Why? still I have not seen one attesting to this fact.. And since I don't think I be crazy to see "IN PARIT? MAP" A TT that sgomma of 3rza with the 19-inch and a Golf V with DSG not to give a nod of the marks even in the second... Ok, the weight, Ok the progressivit? of the exchange rate, but the difference, again, in parit? of the map ? too much!

[cawadany]

Soon I will do a drum roll on the various auto dsg and not. Why? still I have not seen one attesting to this fact.. And since I don't think I be crazy to see "IN PARIT? MAP" A TT that sgomma of 3rza with the 19-inch and a Golf V with DSG not to give a nod of the marks even in the second... Ok, the weight, Ok the progressivit? of the exchange rate, but the difference, again, in parit? of the map ? too much!

Well, the gear ratio for the manual transmission and dsg are different, and the TT front has a lot of aluminum, so much more? light of a Golf. And this pu? make all the difference. Regardless of the fact that it's not ? normal for a Golf V DSG does not give even a nod of the marks in the 2nd, with the map of course.....

[cawadany]

But the 13 users who have downloaded files where are they? They walked off with some and just? :confused:

[cinqueturbo]

I think that you should also modare limiting the throttle angle in my opinion from the profane!

Limiter lambada mountain-valley

Lambda desired

The rev limiter threshold upper
the ind 1DE706 for not having sharp cuts

X the DSG desired torque to the wheel?1E0046-1E0536
Limiter maximum torque?1E054A-1E0558

[cawadany]

I think that you should also modare limiting the throttle angle in my opinion from the profane!

Limiter lambada mountain-valley

Lambda desired

The rev limiter threshold upper
the ind 1DE706 for not having sharp cuts

X the DSG desired torque to the wheel?1E0046-1E0536
Limiter maximum torque?1E054A-1E0558

The limiter rpm sense of touch, given that in any case is never reached because the transmission automatically switches to the higher ratio. So I honestly do not understand why they have touched in the map I posted.

[cawadany]

Guys, I doubt that the file is encrypted. C'? the way to check if ? "locked" in some way?

[carmageddon]

mamma mia!

there has figured out a benedict nothing who made that edit is completely wrong!

CRIMINALS!

[cawadany]

In fact, I do not like at all how it goes this car.

[ion]

The will study...quietly !
:D

[giannimini]

com'? over? news? on this engine, and the map?

[cawadany]

com'? over? news? on this engine, and the map?

It's over, that I have written a file that is done as it should, and the car ? changed from day to night!

[matech]

can I quote the last intervention of carmageddon, before it was banned? :-D

[Exelion1986]

hi guys, someone know tell which tools are used to intervene on the mapping of the dsg?

[cawadany]

Cmd and kess v2 do

[Exelion1986]

there are also clones of these?

[voglioimparare]

there are also clones of these?

there is the clone of the kess v2, but to do the reflash of the dsg you need a specific cable....

[cawadany]

there is the clone of the kess v2, but to do the reflash of the dsg you need a specific cable....

Pi? the latest release of kess.

[Exelion1986]

thank you for the answers
there disorder still for a moment...
I imagine that this cable don't you give it normally with the clone right? and what? the latest version that in case of need? I see kill me?

[ugoboss]

thank you for the answers
there disorder still for a moment...
I imagine that this cable don't you give it normally with the clone right? and what? the latest version that in case of need? I see kill me?

the latest release of the kess only works on the interface ori, if you have a clone goes with the sw that give you with that, can't upgrade.

[Exelion1986]

very kind, thanks
wanting to learn this craft for a hobby (at least for now) not talked about absolutely tool the original, so I put it? the soul in peace
luckily my gi? the change is mapped and if tomorrow give? a ritoccatina to the ecu not the avr? problems

[matech]

what is the meaning of map those changes?!

[Exelion1986]

unfortunately, they have a torque limiter, so even if you squeeze in the engine ? useless
moreover, they also have a rpm limiter, so if you want to increase the rotation speed, it is necessary to intervene also?
then I heard that you can? reduce the time changed, inhibit the gear shift below a certain speed? (for example, to prevent the grafts the sixth too soon), inhibit shifting automatic limiter mode? manual etc

[matech]

you can do the same, depends on how it maps to the ECU

[Exelion1986]

what you mean when you say that you can do the same?

[matech]

also the 3.0 TDI of the last generation, if the maps in a "wrong" the electronic engine, have the change that makes the tantrums for a couple issues.

but the problem with that ? avoidable even without having to map the electronic exchange...

[Exelion1986]

ok good to know
for the rest of the functions for? it is necessary to intervene to force on the exchange right?

[matech]

yeah, those are the functions that are inherent in the exchange.

[ion]

also the 3.0 TDI of the last generation, if the maps in a "wrong" the electronic engine, have the change that makes the tantrums for a couple issues.

but the problem with that ? avoidable even without having to map the electronic exchange...
I can confirm this by direct experience.
Avoiding maps "absurd" you have anyway good performance, raising too much torque or the like, the exchange goes literally crazy....

[Exelion1986]

ah, but then the pi? nor less, and if you do not intervene on the foreign exchange does not can you? to reach the maximum torque achievable, one must be a p? back

[matech]

I don't think: mappers as ABT or MTM to provide maps with large increases torque and power without having to remap the DSG

[Exelion1986]

at least according to the data reported by them, do not reach couples cos? high compared to what you could do
speaking of the audi TTS and taking as an example the step 350-hp MTM, it is declared to be a maximum torque of 420 nm, although normally, with a power like that, you can also reach the 500 nm
my is around 325-330 hp and I has already? marked around 440 nm, so I know who to avoid to intervene on the foreign exchange are back to the maximum value
it would be interesting to see the power curves

[cawadany]

what is the meaning of map those changes?!

It makes sense it makes sense..... have you ever tried a DSG mapped?

[ion]

at least according to the data reported by them, do not reach couples cos? high compared to what you could do
speaking of the audi TTS and taking as an example the step 350-hp MTM, it is declared to be a maximum torque of 420 nm, although normally, with a power like that, you can also reach the 500 nm
my is around 325-330 hp and I has already? marked around 440 nm, so I know who to avoid to intervene on the foreign exchange are back to the maximum value
it would be interesting to see the power curves

Exactly...
I had asked for and to climb the Krukki working on the exchange : no you can? invent miracles, the trick to not intervene, and up to certain values torque (the power ? relatively less important...) ? to avoid "the barrel" torque to medium-low, going up there are less problems then the HP can be the same to have a power curve more? quiet under...

[Exelion1986]

so the problem really is? not ? resolvable only through the ecu, let's say that is bypassed
c'? also from the figure that the people usually stop at the value of maximum power, then pi? ce n? better ?, but really? not ? just cos?
and for my tastes ? just when it enters the maximum torque, giving me the beating that I enjoy it more?, d? the sense of rabbiosit

[ion]

so the problem really is? not ? resolvable only through the ecu, let's say that is bypassed
c'? also from the figure that the people usually stop at the value of maximum power, then pi? ce n? better ?, but really? not ? just cos?
and for my tastes ? just when it enters the maximum torque, giving me the beating that I enjoy it more?, d? the sense of rabbiosit?
Sense of rabbiosit? useless and suck, clutch and gearbox...in fact, even in F1 the winner who "spread" the power...
Anyway, tastes are tastes...
;)

[Exelion1986]

but not ? going to continuously open... and then beating the if crush under torque

[matech]

the 3.0 TDI come to 290cv about without having to touch the exchange

the TTS comes to 420cv to start to slip the clutch DSG

the S3 goes quiet little over 300 and you don't need to do anything to change.


These three examples that I can think of on the fly.


I would add two things:

1 - I have seen the DSG cos? like other dual-clutch mapped, but I have seen them on race cars, not road. and not for the problems of the limitation of the maximum torque that can be disbursed. Of course, go very well and are fast, but I don't know if on a road vehicle's worth to make the life of the synchronizers on an exchange that goes down? very good!

2 - That we're talking about the Delta Integrale or an engine TFSI last generation, everyone admires the elusive shot. I am not of the same opinion for various reasons. First of all, any mapping all of them are able to pull out the "blow" of a couple, maybe even a mistake, but what ? well the most difficult to make ? find and tap correctly the maps that handle the full load on the engine. In the second place, true horses are out only adjusting well to the high rpm at full load, and not using the "peaks" of the pair. In the third place, you travel more with an engine that extends well to all schemes, compared with the engine "blow" that can? impress only the friend who climbs into the car the first time...

It would be enough to consider a edc16c39 to see that in 95% of cases the maps that are touched will not affect the full load conditions. This only means that going to pump up the partial loads, when you go to act strongly on gasi you avr? a transient "pumped" that give? the peak torque, but as soon as the ecu will use? the maps of the full load, all our beloved "pompamento" will be? strongly limited.



sorry for the dilungamento, but this urban legend of a blow in the low exists from the years '80 and in 2014 has even less reason for it to exist in view of the complexity? the management electronic of which we are speaking.

[cawadany]

Only one thing: you have spoken of HP when the limit of the DSG with the sw stock are the NM....

[matech]

And for what I believe it's important to spread a good couple. If a TTS you get those powers, what else can you? ask to do the exchange?!?

[cawadany]

Tts and s3 have the same engine. Tts with a stock engine 420 hp are pure utopia.

[Exelion1986]

whereas, my I have mapped I actually in some ways I doubt that it is not made very well
however, for botta I am referring to the situation to sink the accelerator under torque, say, 1500 rpm
floor plan, higher revs, the turbine begins to enter the pressure and the car begins to go a p? pi? finch? suddenly enter a couple of all in a manner fast enough to push well and constantly until almost to the limiter
you say that this behavior in the enter in the pair are not ? normal?

[matech]

I'm sorry, TTRS!

[matech]

Oh, you should try it together (all of the forum :-D) to be able to understand!

In any case, I've noticed that as far as the engines turbocharged petrol, electronics have evolved a lot with regard to the adjustment of the load and of the turbocharger, bringing into play of the strategies are very complex.

Then, as you well know, it's not you can? talk about pi? only the boost pressure, but also how it handles the response of the pedal, the throttle opening (what ? different from the response of the pedal...), the Bypass valve, the advance and the PID management of the wastegate.
What I've noticed ? everything works in symbiosis to create a rise of pressure is much more controlled than once, even if c'? to say then that the system controls much better of a time with the pressure constant!

For example, the map they use on the trophy mini cooper turbo has no pressure peaks in the range in which the turbo could give, bens? has a climb pressure sweet up to 1.2 bar between 4000 and 5500 rpm. The engine ? very drivable and effective pi? one that is maybe the peak at 1.3 and then decreases progressively at higher rpm...

[eugene]

I have mapped a few days ago the 2.0 TFSI with DSG k03, on a chassis dynamometer gave 248CV to 4688 rpm

[Exelion1986]

in the car I have a tool obd, the peak, I saw him get a little more than 1.8 but the constant I have not yet watched
as soon as I have the opportunity take a look at it, even why? I can? make the chart as if it were a rolled

[Four]

Then com'? over?