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antonio.o
28-01-2013, 23:34
Hello often on my car I have this problem on cold starts that sometimes you have to insist to 2/3 times to get it to start any advice?.
Thanks.
sportknight
28-01-2013, 23:37
the flywheel and dpf clogged,if you've got it :D
FidodidoTuning
28-01-2013, 23:42
There is a specific map for the start-up
It is after the rail
antonio.o
28-01-2013, 23:44
There is a specific map for the start-up
It is after the rail
hello maps are not so much practical help to the ecm for the address to be correct..
Thanks.
sportknight
28-01-2013, 23:45
but it seems to me that both pi? to regulate the minimum
the swirl I excluded why? the 8v doesn't have the swirl
antonio.o
28-01-2013, 23:46
the flywheel and dpf clogged,if you've got it :D
Is the dpf ? this diagnosis I d? no problem, or at least it seems to me.
antonio.o
28-01-2013, 23:46
but it seems to me that both pi? to regulate the minimum
the swirl I excluded why? the 8v doesn't have the swirl
yes, I know that on my are not present.
FidodidoTuning
28-01-2013, 23:49
Not c enters the swirl
Are with your cell and I can't say more
However, by touching that resolves..
A bit like on the vw hot
sportknight
28-01-2013, 23:49
excuse,it may also be the egr,try to clean it
the dpf that the percentage of blockage you from?
antonio.o
28-01-2013, 23:50
excuse,it may also be the egr,try to clean it
the dpf that the percentage of blockage you from?
Egr capped and escula in the map.
antonio.o
28-01-2013, 23:51
Egr capped and escula in the map.
sorry I did not read x % of the plugging I do not remember I had done a log, but st? to format the netbook to switch to windows xp and I lost it tomorrow I make the diagnosis and I will say it.
sportknight
28-01-2013, 23:57
antonio.o
29-01-2013, 00:03
ok for the battery tomorrow when I use it to go to work I try to put in parallel, a digital multimeter and see if there is a voltage drop.
msport (exil77grande)
29-01-2013, 00:58
As it is written by fidodido there is a specific map for the cold start.
antonio.o
29-01-2013, 01:02
As it is written by fidodido there is a specific map for the cold start.
Thanks, but can you? help.. I would be grateful to say that my gi? mapped I would only possibly understand which is the address correct, I can the file from the ecu read it and rewrite
hello.
magi1984
29-01-2013, 08:57
if you do not attach the original file as it is to give you the addresses? :D
antonio.o
29-01-2013, 09:06
[QUOTE=magi1984;26091]if you do not attach the original file as it is to give you the addresses? :D[
thanks now I'm at work, I have here the original we say not "mapped" you place what for? if you don't mind can you also attach a screen so I prepare myself.
antonio.o
29-01-2013, 09:08
[ATTACH]2562[QUOTE=magi1984;26091]if you do not attach the original file as it is to give you the addresses? :D[
thanks now I'm at work, I have here the original we say not "mapped" you place what for? if you don't mind can you also attach a screen so I prepare myself.
maybe I made some mess in the file boh let me know.
thanks.
magi1984
29-01-2013, 09:50
the map starts at the address 1E73AC and ends at 1E75B8
antonio.o
29-01-2013, 10:16
the map starts at the address 1E73AC and ends at 1E75B8
ok I found it, I ask you, perhaps, (st? exaggerating) I have to change with the ecm in % and in 2D, how do I proceed I click on the P that is currently there ? a number 5 on the first is outside 85 if I'm not mistaken, and this is the method..
Thanks.
franco75
29-01-2013, 10:18
the map starts at the address 1E73AC and ends at 1E75B8
I also confirm the start of the map, but it seems that the end is in 01E74EA and should be a 10x16
msport (exil77grande)
29-01-2013, 10:37
I also confirm the start of the map, but it seems that the end is in 01E74EA and should be a 10x16
that ends in 01e74ea says the driver of the titanium but according to me it says wizards ends at 1E75B6 but you should not change all over the map, but just do it in the zonma interested and a little, and you try it,I've done some in the past because usually the problem is on the 159 2.4 mjet.
antonio.o
29-01-2013, 10:38
I also confirm the start of the map, but it seems that the end is in 01E74EA and should be a 10x16
I find 1E73AC-1E75AA
franco75
29-01-2013, 11:02
that ends in 01e74ea says the driver of the titanium but according to me it says wizards ends at 1E75B6 but you should not change all over the map, but just do it in the zonma interested and a little, and you try it,I've done some in the past because usually the problem is on the 159 2.4 mjet.
I do not have the titanium, according to me ends at 01e74ea why? the BP are 10x16 and then you see graphically a slight difference
Guys I also had problems cold starting in the morning...alfa 159 1.9 16v 2005.
I have to say that I have a egr by-passed and removed the Dpf physically and electronically.
Also, cutting done 2000 km and new battery.
The address of the map to be edited with ECM titanium, in the end what is it?
And then how much to increase the values?
Thanks
Nobody can suggest me something? :-(
I hope someone can help me...
the machine in the morning part with difficulty..some have told me that it could be the circuit pressure of the diesel fuel and to solve that you should put in two fuel valves and non-return, on the flow of oil to the pump and the other also on the return circuit of the diesel..
can it be true?
check the sensor of turns that I had to deal with a alpha that is cold-started after 10 minutes of attempts and even more.
replacing that, he returned to normal.
diagnosis tells you something?
The sensor turns on the 159 where is it? Do you have a photo?
Diagnosis of what you mean?you talk about doing tests with the edf? I read anyway that to solve this problem you have to edit the map, "the couple in start-up" refers to ECM titanium... Is it right? If OK in terms of the percentage of how much to increase?
Thanks
I look forward to more news soon..
I have to leave for christmas and I want to be quiet.
Thanks
Help me please...
The map ECM titanium is the " start-up torque"?
If OK how to proceed with the increases?
Thanks
If I were you, and you say na novice that I am, I would start with:
opening the file ORI and the comparison with the MOD
See all the gains that you have loaded, and fire regimes, the maximum that you can adopt in the relationship with the maps.
The fact of this, you can increase something and try the difference.
Watch I today I uploaded my first map made with ecm titanium on edc16, and I tell you that I made 5 revisions of the file before loading it with about a week of testing only on the pc without loading anything.
By comparing with various templates that you find online arrivals to do something decent and a little risky.
With respect to the sensor of turns just consult the poccolo but useful maintenance manual (use as a "guide for the intergalactic hitchhiker's").
Good luck!
Help me please...
The map ECM titanium is the " start-up torque"?
If OK how to proceed with the increases?
Thanks
Before I touch the map, I would make a diagnosis as I have already recommended you to annotarti any errors in the memory that can indicate any components to be replaced. Because even if that were so, edit the map would be useless.
For tranky:
The map mod has been done already...
I only have the problem of cold starting and I would like to know if making changes with ECM titanium resolves the problem and I read somewhere that you have to adjust on the ECM "couple during the start-up" but I do not know how to intervene, if in percentage, and in that range..
For errecinque:
Errors in diagnosis are not
For errecinque:
Errors in diagnosis are not
Trivial question but sometimes......The glow plugs did you check?
Sure that the DTC is active? If I'm not mistaken if the dpf has been deleted with time the dtc you lose them all....try to unplug some plug and to make the diagnosis
The spark plugs I measured with a multimeter and they seem to work all.
Regarding the Dpf, I was taken out by an expert but honestly I don't know if you deleted the dtc.What I can say is that errors,when present,are reported!
PS.I read on a forum of the 159 that a guy had the same problem cold starting but that has been resolved only partially by changing pretty much everything...the glow plugs,sensor,sensor phase,put non-return valves to the diesel oil circuit, etc, etc then I'm not going to spend a lot of money in order to resolve the 70%..this is because at this point I would like to intervene from the map..at least I don't throw away pennies ;-)
However, even if it was a palliative,no one yet has told me if it is actually the map "couple during the start-up" ECM titanium would help to improve the cold starting. I ask, eventually, how to proceed with the increases.
Thanks
9969
Okay so as a percentage?
9969
Okay so as a percentage?
I hope someone notify me if this okay or not...
These cars , in my experience, do not have problems with cold start and it is likely that even by touching the map, not what I have is if there was a problem! That would be the case before magaridi check if everything is ok!
To tell you the truth, many of these cars have had problems in the cold..turning on the various forums is deduced.
In any case, and regardless no one still managed to give me a simple answer on the map....
Look, I work in a dealer's alpha and by us on 8 valves it has never happened on the 2.4 you for this I tell you so, with regard to the map at the moment, I can't help you with that I am still learning ancje I as soon as I can I will try to take a look anyway and see if we can do something together
Look, I work in a dealer's alpha and by us on 8 valves it has never happened on the 2.4 you for this I tell you so, with regard to the map at the moment, I can't help you with that I am still learning ancje I as soon as I can I will try to take a look anyway and see if we can do something together
Thanks.. Very Helpful.
However, mine is the 16v not the 8!
In the title in the ec written 8v.
However, it makes little difference, the problems on these cars that potrevvero have an impact on the start-up starter motor that runs slow,the battery is small and/or low starting torque,egr starts to get stuck slightly open,the flywheel broken and also the swirl on this car is off the palette could cause problems! Now I can't look at the map but if there is a problem on the car I doubt that will solve but you can always try,as far as I know all avviamentoa cold you should grease the mixture,information to be taken with tongs, because I've never tried, to limit fattening slightly lamappa cold start and try and see if it improves or worsens!
In the title in the ec written 8v.
However, it makes little difference, the problems on these cars that potrevvero have an impact on the start-up starter motor that runs slow,the battery is small and/or low starting torque,egr starts to get stuck slightly open,the flywheel broken and also the swirl on this car is off the palette could cause problems! Now I can't look at the map but if there is a problem on the car I doubt that will solve but you can always try,as far as I know all avviamentoa cold you should grease the mixture,information to be taken with tongs, because I've never tried, to limit fattening slightly lamappa cold start and try and see if it improves or worsens!
It is true..in the title it says 8v but I resumed to this discussion by specifying that the mine is 16v.
However, I loaded the map changed and improved the starter but what that has resulted in a clear improvement was the cleaning of the sensor rail pressure
hello maxgen, forgive me, I hadn't read who had opened the discussion :P
however, you've found dirt on the sensor?
hello maxgen, forgive me, I hadn't read who had opened the discussion :P
however, you've found dirt on the sensor?
I figured...
About the sensor..it was a bit blackened and there was a sort of slime that seemed to be the mucus of the nose..;-)
I think it is residue that leaves the diesel. I removed the sensor with a wrench 27. And I bathed in spray with a product for dry electric circuits. Now the car starts on the first hit and seems to go even better
you what is the diesel that makes the slime, the strange thing is how it ever got up them, you might be arrived safely to the injectors were in the you would check and change immediately the fuel filter.
you what is the diesel that makes the slime, the strange thing is how it ever got up them, you might be arrived safely to the injectors were in the you would check and change immediately the fuel filter.
regarding the fuel filter was already replaced a short time ago...I did the cutting complete (oil filter,oil,fuel filter,cabin filter)
pa.to check the injectors should I dismantle them? if ok how do you clean?
I would give at least a look at attack of the liner, where it enters the diesel fuel in the injector, to understand, and see if you have not submitted them to that slime! Then if the car goes well and does not smoke you can also avoid the machine.
I would give at least a look at attack of the liner, where it enters the diesel fuel in the injector, to understand, and see if you have not submitted them to that slime! Then if the car goes well and does not smoke you can also avoid the machine.
I invieresti a photo of the stick of which you speak? I do not understand...thanks
I have attached a photo of the injector,the fitting you see in the picture ce screwed to a steel pipe grey, if you take away the shelter, the engine you have right in front of the injectors and you can see these liners (which from the other hand, are attached to the rail, remove the liners (one at a time and see inside the attack of the injectors ,as in the picture, if you have the slime, if you don't hang up all around and affixed so otherwise remove the dirt that you find.
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