EDC16 c31 Honda _ address search Limiters IQ various and eventuali_Lambda and AFR

[megamind]

Hello all,
as I suggested in the other section (https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?925-driver-wish&p=22844#post22844)
I opened this new thread. Not having a damos for the Civic 2.2 140 hp. DPF,
? a little bit of time that you are in search of the address map that relate to the IQ limiters and controls the flue gas.

What are they? How to find them? C'? a method of research?

Help me to find them?

Wanting to make a map just starting from the dw (c1402 DW z=Nm) torque demand, how to proceed step by step?
Not with the percentages, as many do, but calculating the right. On-board diagnosis and verification of the parameters set.
For example, I s? that on the map ori, at full load the dw at 2,000 rpm I d? 420 Nm (converted to a real result corrispodono to 357 Nm),
Now my TL (d13f6) I am limiting myself to 399Nm (which converted to a real result corrispodono at 340 Nm). The factory data declared by the house to come why? are 340Nm*2,000 rpm.
The map Nm on IQ (d3caa - d3eee - d4132) tells me that to have such a pair I have to use 70 mg/str. ok, but the diagnosis cannot exceed 60 mg/str:eek:
Surely it will be? limited by something. Now I have found a map d240A and d264E I do not know how you can call but the result on the Z-axis sounds to me like a deal? diesel...The last address (d240A and d264E) abassando the values I have as a result of a co-administered diesel, and as if it was a limiter...at 2,000 rpm full load I as the value 66,60 OEM. As the name of this map? Has as BP Y=rpm X=8192,0000 Z=mg/str
The value of X would make me think of %LOAD pedal as if it were directly connected to the dw request of the couple, it might be a dw request diesel v? in parallel with the request of a couple?



I would like to find the addresses of lim IQ and Lim Smoke and try starting from dw to release the torque limited by the TL.

Thanks

Here is my sw. ori
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?356-Civic&p=15288&viewfull=1#post15288

[magi1984]

found on the web, it goes very well with your ori file
you have everything there? you need to have fun!

[munro]

wing facc du c...z...with all those maps soi and duration seems to be a vag pd....if it were not for the values of press rail......

[megamind]

behh so not worth it...:)

What I am damn limiter fumes? How does it work? Who limits the IQ? ehhh you hope to ammutolirmi!:rolleyes:

The Dw are then 2 as I thought, one IQ, and the other Nm that v? in parallel, the demand on the pedal?

Dialogue on!!!!!

[E92_mpower]

I wonder when it will arrive? to understand these things?

[munro]

watch the map pack...the lim smoke in this car ? only one...but there are 3 that? the "lambda table"....then you have 7 torque limiter that will limit the iq... the more you have a TL-trottle a TL-rpm, and a TL-temperature hce logically have limiters so they also limit the iq....

[franco75]

wing facc du c...z...with all those maps soi and duration seems to be a vag pd....if it were not for the values of press rail......

Its simple just to get started is the map ? hell

[franco75]

EB702 and later are the maps for the vgt

EE866 and EE952 curves to determine when to use the maps to the turbo, or the direct management of the VGT position

in the meantime, spulcio the file if I find another I write

[megamind]

[munro]

franco75... but...the magi has posted the map pack with all the maps you need moddare to let go of this car....you need to still other maps??want to go crazy....the turbo maps,according to the map pack are 3 calls "boost table"....
in the map pack there are over 50 maps...the most important.... and you are looking for more maps??
mahhh I do not understand....

[megamind]

It seems to me that there is nothing in the function of the temp...who has kidnapped? Someone explain to me the lambda is how it goes' moddata? For example, a few weeks ago I closed the egr. By making this small change in diagnosis I values maf higher if I wanted to risitemare everything on the basis of this small change as I have to work?

[magi1984]

franco75... but...the magi has posted the map pack with all the maps you need moddare to let go of this car....you need to still other maps??want to go crazy....the turbo maps,according to the map pack are 3 calls "boost table"....
in the map pack there are over 50 maps...the most important.... and you are looking for more maps??
mahhh I do not understand....

[franco75]

Many I consider important, if the car has a set of limiters IQ very low might thwart increases.
The one on the vgt I posted to make it clear to the user that if the map turbo is not respected c'? a good reason and a solution.
In short, I try not to demoralize megamind and make him understand that with our help it is possible to do almost everything although it has a quite complex ECU

[megamind]

Many I consider important, if the car has a set of limiters IQ very low might thwart increases.
The one on the vgt I posted to make it clear to the user that if the map turbo is not respected c'? a good reason and a solution.
In short, I try not to demoralize megamind and make him understand that with our help it is possible to do almost everything although it has a quite complex ECU

I made several experiments, now, or I have a problem with scanxl, or ? absolutely true that the prex turbo v? on your own...
It seems that even if the map increase the prex 1.6 including the limit prex that value I can not reach, if not in an overboost.
The pressure gauge I scored 1.5 and v? 1.7 in an overboost for a few sec. It also has much lag.

The pressure I am under the impression that being cut off from something, maybe the lambda?

[magi1984]

you need to look for if c'? the SVBL and see to what value ? set
if that ? set of 2500, your pressure will not go? never over

[megamind]

you need to look for if c'? the SVBL and see to what value ? set
if that ? set of 2500, your pressure will not go? never over

SVBL? no one c'? and I have raised ? in ed890.
From 2.4 to 2.6 ? been moved, I s? I have to buy a nice analog pressure gauge of those old-fashioned...
Who's? tell me if based on the value that I d? the Map can I have a conversion in the prex turbo in the bar so I can see if The hds I d? of the different values from the scanxl.
Anyway. the map after the change to the prex turbo not v? in addition as the value to 37 PSI, which converted to a bar we are around 1,550.

[magi1984]

37 PSI are 2,6 bar precise

[megamind]

37 PSI are 2,6 bar precise

37 PSI=2.55106 - 1.000 = 1.55106 bar and then s me? the diagnosis are in agreement, but to the ear the crowd changed, you hear a lot.

Anyway. the map d? or not the value of the turbo?

I was interested to understand the solution of franco to enforce the values of the turbine. In that coinsiste?

[franco75]

I would understand if the SVBL serves to limit the pressure or to set the maximum limit to get into the recovery unit.
With regard to the values in the map, these are not respected, why? you're above the curve, which I posted, EE866 and EE952.
the most low-need to get in closedloop operation, or the management with the map with the values of pressure from "chase".
the most high-need to get out of this operation and go to the openloop operation, or are used VGT maps that are disconnected from the pressure
and should serve to provide an effect an overboost.
so if you want to reduce the turbo at the highest loads, you have 2 solutions:
1. Reduce the openings of the vgt to the maximum loads
2. Raise the final part of the curves EE866 and EE952, the value to be put should be in mm3 of fuel

the breakpoints of these curves are in rpm, the curve represents the IQ utmost to stay in closed loop and then use lemappe pressure.

[franco75]

maybe ? more clear this way?
I lifted the last 11 points (3500 rpm) 6800 points coming At 6900 and 7000
if you think you can overcome these iQ alzali well as

2348

[megamind]

maybe ? more clear this way?
I lifted the last 11 points (3500 rpm) 6800 points coming At 6900 and 7000
if you think you can overcome these iQ alzali well as

2348
For SVBL' flagship ' of the test as a result of limiting it to pi values? low map OEM.
OEM ? 2.4 (then 1.4 bar), the table of the turbo of the original map does not reach to more than 1,250 at 3000 rpm. WOT. (maximum load up to 3000)
Then by loading a sw oem and abassando SVBL to 2.1 or I find a limitation
or even a possible recovery if ? the correct operation.
Indaghero' pi? in l?...the log of these times with the one that costs the diesel are really prohibitive.

I believe there are two more maps related to consider EE8EC and EE820 also a pi? high and the other pi? low.
What happens if the last two are modified as screensoot attachment? (this ? a change that I found in a map already? made)

I explained better how they work the maps EE866 and EE952 to ****llo macroscopic and how they connect to the turbo pressure and a VNT?

What s? I ? that pi? ? high-torque, low-rpm, pi? the VNT (variable Nozzle turbo) terr? closed the palette,
instead, at high rpm the opposite happens and the palette rates apertua more.

I am not a "professional" but a simple "beginner"...:confused:

[E92_mpower]

found on the web, it goes very well with your ori file
you have everything there? you need to have fun!

the magi not ? that you can retrieve them for my own?

[megamind]

I have you forsaken me? :(

As indicated on the diagnosis, the tube-duty full load does not exceed 33% with the program stok (OEM) So varies from a minimum of 60% to a max of 33%)

[franco75]

In the meantime, decide when you want to and when you don't want an overboost, I would do it in the style of the Audi, which would put up the curves that I have told you before only to high rpm, say from 3500-4000.
I would hold the most closed VGT at low revs, since accuse a problem of turbolag.
I did not understand if you have the turbine original

[munro]

this car also has the dpf??if you..better not to overdo it with diesel, and especially with the turbo....otherwise you do damage....and also serious...

[megamind]

this car also has the dpf??if you..better not to overdo it with diesel, and especially with the turbo....otherwise you do damage....and also serious...

It has the DPF but the levo if I have to go to touch certain things.
For now I'm studying how to work this whole stage, small variations are allowed with DPF....but small.
The mod. I proposed Franco I am very interested, but the evidence to? with care, after you understand the operation, even why? must be linked definitely to another.

You tell me about these maps?



You can't? work directly on the vnt?

As I have already? written the I would like to understand the operation before operating.
From the tables vnt that should represent the % of opening and closing it seems to me that the operation stok go from 60% to 30% (in the post above c'? my screen of the values in the table vnt). Then also checking with the diagnosis 60 % should be the maximum value of the closing, and 32% of the opening. Pi? the load ? high pi? the geometry opens after a certain number of rpm.
Now on the basis of the change to do on EE866 and EE952, and raise the 3500 to 4000 rpm the values of mg/str I just can't reconcile the passage of the functioning of these 2 maps. Excuse me and be patient :p

[megamind]

In the meantime, decide when you want to and when you don't want an overboost, I would do it in the style of the Audi, which would put up the curves that I have told you before only to high rpm, say from 3500-4000.
I would hold the most closed VGT at low revs, since accuse a problem of turbolag.
I did not understand if you have the turbine original

The turbine ? the original

[franco75]

You can't? work directly on the vnt?

As I have already? written the I would like to understand the operation before operating.

Now on the basis of the change to do on EE866 and EE952, and raise the 3500 to 4000 rpm the values of mg/str I just can't reconcile the passage of the functioning of these 2 maps. Excuse me and be patient :p

I try to express it better, you need to work on the maps vnt if you want to close more of the geometry. These maps serve only if you are above the values of the curves EE866 and EE952. If you are under the ECU uses the map VNT, if you're above use maps turbo. If there is something that sets the limit of opening minimum and maximum of the geometry are not aware of it but for sure within that range you can use the map VNT

[megamind]

The red line
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2408&d=1358384247
? the original
in black the lift up to 75 mg/STR (EE866) (in the range of from 3500 to 4000 rpm)

The same for the other mod (EE952) (in the range of from 3500 to 4000 rpm)

[franco75]

remember to do the EE952 just the most high in the other corner, to maintain the hysteresis.
If you have made this change and now you have to raise the desired values of pressure (map turbo

[munro]

if I can have my say..I don't need to touch the maps of the hysteresis of the vnt...these maps are consulted by the ecu to control the PID(proportional integrated derivative) of the target boost or objective pressure given in on the main map turbo...? unless one does not change the vnt with a more coarse that works in a different way, in my opinion, not c'? reason of moddare these maps..that among other things, if you do not s? as moddare with congnizione cause they only bring headaches as the lights are on,the recovery and the various problems...so my advice ? to leave it alone for the moment, these maps and concentrate on other maps, and more? important....also you can't? "dressing on the contrary, with the shorts over the pants" in the sense that before you determine what is required in diesel fuel primarily then f? so that the request is not limited, and finally, it acts on the boost to "arrange" all....now you are the parties to the contrary, according to me, moddando these maps...in anticipation of a mod to the demand diesel what will you do?you're the new l? puzzling on how to go in a given manner turbo based on the new request for the diesel??

[franco75]

but I understand that the diesel has already? fact and fails to check the pressure, I got it wrong?????

[megamind]

You ? got to talk about this why? the turbo seems to not follow the request of the pedal, even on the original program.

As I said at the beginning the feeling of it ? that at full throttle the car drives less than parzializzando. Also the turbo lag ? remarkable, and not only on my car for me ? happened to prove the other, then I think it's a general problem.

I think there is a way to reduce this lack of response...

I wanted to understand if the solution could be in the moddare the hysteresis.

* franco I also have several maps already? moddate diesel etc... but not change the problem remains, the only one that v? ugly, and it loads immediately ? the one with the mod on the hysteresis ee8ec and ee820 of which I enclose a screen of the mod.

[munro]

from the diesel right, without limitations of any kind to the laps where laments the lag and see if the crowd is still sleeping....
according to me you run from under the seats if you do things right....
then if you want to lose sleep for smanettarecon these maps, you are perfectly free to do so.....
I merely stated how I feel...

[megamind]

from the diesel right, without limitations of any kind to the laps where laments the lag and see if the crowd is still sleeping....
according to me you run from under the seats if you do things right....
then if you want to lose sleep for smanettarecon these maps, you are perfectly free to do so.....
I merely stated how I feel...

Munro this machine ? bastard why? if we do too much diesel I f? vibrate the flywheel and the clutch on the higher gears do not hold it, and not only do I not keep it that second of lag before responding. I did some tests also only increasing the times but nothing v

[megamind]

Sorry I wanted to say that the lag remains with lots of diesel! but you can not edit the messages?

[munro]

the 2.2 honda ? a powerful engine built with a technology that is truly at the forefront and that, among other things, mounts already a turbine bearing gtb1749b by the response time very short...the problem according to me riesede elsewhere...this particular engine adopts a system of suction that is very particular...in practice, and is equipped with an intake manifold split which 2 parties "serve" each 4 intake valves..the nuances? the most obvious? ? that unlike the fiat engines or bmw or any other that have the swirl valves to close the valves..this engine has a single large swirl valve at the air inlet of the two intake manifolds...this means that unlike other engines with slats close to the valves,where you have the "plenum always under pressure in this engine only "half a plenum" ? the working pressure in the other half? of the plenum ? completely "cleaning" of air going into the engine "apnea"...I believe that before scervellarti on the troubles that I say ? bearings, and then get into the spool...you should check the valve swirl...and if the case delete it totally....over all it seems to me that you mounts a pressure gauge to the press turbo...then you can levarti doubt as to press the turbo simply by monitoring the press turbo in precisely those areas of the tachometer where laments the lag....if in these areas the laws of more than 0.1 bar press...does it mean that the turbo however is "loading" and the problem ? elsewhere....think it through...

[franco75]

we explain ste maps hysteresis in what way??

[megamind]

we explain ste maps hysteresis in what way??

[megamind]

Anyway. pi? whether or not the principle ? the same maps hysteresis egr...to request the pedal mg/str switcciano the reference map.
In the case erg values over 40mg/str mode off (upper), for values less than 38 mg/str mode ON. For? in the case of the egr needed to just leave it closed then ? enough only to put the references already? known. (or at least not this ? what I understood)

[megamind]

the 2.2 honda ? a powerful engine built with a technology that is truly at the forefront and that, among other things, mounts already a turbine bearing gtb1749b by the response time very short...the problem according to me riesede elsewhere...this particular engine adopts a system of suction that is very particular...in practice, and is equipped with an intake manifold split which 2 parties "serve" each 4 intake valves..the nuances? the most obvious? ? that unlike the fiat engines or bmw or any other that have the swirl valves to close the valves..this engine has a single large swirl valve at the air inlet of the two intake manifolds...this means that unlike other engines with slats close to the valves,where you have the "plenum always under pressure in this engine only "half a plenum" ? the working pressure in the other half? of the plenum ? completely "cleaning" of air going into the engine "apnea"...I believe that before scervellarti on the troubles that I say ? bearings, and then get into the spool...you should check the valve swirl...and if the case delete it totally....over all it seems to me that you mounts a pressure gauge to the press turbo...then you can levarti doubt as to press the turbo simply by monitoring the press turbo in precisely those areas of the tachometer where laments the lag....if in these areas the laws of more than 0.1 bar press...does it mean that the turbo however is "loading" and the problem ? elsewhere....think it through...
Hi munro, but what good would this valve swirl just met? of the manifold? Perhaps to reduce the noise? In short, what is the sense of close and check only met

[munro]

by closing the met? of the manifold in the other half you create a strong vacuum that draws very quickly, the flow of egr when open and also being away from the valves in the event of breakage of the valve of the swirl is not for the risk nothing also seen its large size, as opposed to the slats of the other engines a few inches from the valves when they break they make disasters imaginable...***** s, I've found a video very eloquent on the functioning of the honda engine i-cdti...
and in the English language, but watch carefully, "the flow blue" of the images to realize all....

[megamind]

Hello munro is a video that already I had seen years ago when they offered this beautiful motorone. But the part of the swirl had not happen if no I do not buy this machine! The first were writing to me of the lag ...but it has schemes where it is less, there is always it is as if the response to the command of the pedal there was always and at all speeds 1 sec. Of delay. What made me think of the turbine as the cause of this delay is that of the various sw mod the only one that touched on the hysteresis was the immediate response.

[E92_mpower]

Do you long!!

[munro]

on this engine, I have never had the opportunity to get their hands on it and I have to say that in my area it run several honda....this is for you to understand that they are of the engines are very reliable...
there are also civic type r with a k20 that are real shards....are motors,honda,I repeat,the facts really but really good...time f? I have had the opportunity to review the b16 vtec of the civic eg6 and I was impressed and fascinated by the quality? of the materials,machining tolerances, etc...seemed to see a race engine....*****s, going back to the 2.2 cdti or less specifically to a diesel with 4 valves per cylinder and problems of the delay in response...many times for es, the vw pd 140 and sometimes even on the fiat 1.3 multijet to find the same type problem ? solved by giving a good clean to the whole of the suction of the engine from the residues of the egr....
and also the swirl in the honda cdti you can? always remove mechanically.... you just have to physically remove the butterfly and leave in its place the axis of the same ? connected to a position sensor that returns a feedback signal in the ecu for the continued management of the same....

[munro]

and anyway, apart from all this....make sure you primarily that all the parameters are in accordance with...

[megamind]

For the parameters ? everything in the standard, the egr ? closed so should I try to remove the butterfly and see what happens, or act as a map and try to always leave it open to l

[panny200555]

For example, I s? that on the map ori, at full load the dw at 2,000 rpm I d? 420 Nm (converted to a real result corrispodono to 357 Nm)

sorry for the ignorance you tell me how does this conversion for Mn real?

thanks
hello

[megamind]

and a quick calculation assuming a volumetric efficiency of 85%.
I simply made 420Nm*85/100 = 357 Nm
My limiter of torque at 2000 rpm ? set to 399.6 Nm
reapplying the same calculation 399.6 Nm*85/100 = 339,66
The given factory of my car are 340*2000 rpm then I think that we are, even if this method ? to be taken with tongs.

I needed to have a reference...

[megamind]

and anyway, apart from all this....make sure you primarily that all the parameters are in accordance with...
The parameters are in accordance with...
I found out where are those values of hysteresis moddati...


and as ever, those who rehearse? that map has preferred to use them.
The maps of the turbo are absolutely identical to the comparison of the curves! Who knows? that was not a simple forgetfulness of a map ? then been adapted to for my mod.
(I strongly think that is an oversight...)

[munro]

are you referring to the istersi of the N75-wastegate?? and, anyway, for your info megamind the volumetric efficiency of a 4 valves per cylinder and abundantly more than 95%....I believe even more now that for the design of the inlet and exhaust ducts for the choice of the timing of the distribution you are using the most powerful sw simulaziuone 3d...85% of VE, and a typical value of an engine 2 valves per cylinder...

[panny200555]

are you referring to the istersi of the N75-wastegate?? and, anyway, for your info megamind the volumetric efficiency of a 4 valves per cylinder and abundantly more than 95%....I believe even more now that for the design of the inlet and exhaust ducts for the choice of the timing of the distribution you are using the most powerful sw simulaziuone 3d...85% of VE, and a typical value of an engine 2 valves per cylinder...

but then there is a % fixed efficiency, or ? variable depending on the engine?

[munro]

[megamind]

Hello to all after a periodaccio of the many problems I go back to the study of the localization maps in my ecu...:)
I leave aside the turbo vnt for now to focus on the other...

someone who has dimistichezza in recognizing the maps could help me with these addresses
and explain to me what is their purpose and how they work:

CA2C4 (Hysteresis??)
CA390 (Hysteresis??)
(shouldn't have to do with the management of the DPF)

and with these:



F4310 (9000x6000=<2479) (zone prex. rail)
F4E0A (7650x4400=12500) (zone prex. rail)

[megamind]

Hello to all after a periodaccio of the many problems I go back to the study of the localization maps in my ecu...:)
I leave aside the turbo vnt for now to focus on the other...

someone who has dimistichezza in recognizing the maps could help me with these addresses
and explain to me what is their purpose and how they work:

CA2C4 (Hysteresis??)
CA390 (Hysteresis??)
(shouldn't have to do with the management of the DPF)

and with these:



F4310 (9000x6000=<2479) (zone prex. rail)
F4E0A (7650x4400=12500) (zone prex. rail)
Anyone? some help?

[nando757]

[Marting]