View The Full Version : Move lim turbo Punto 1.3 mjet 70 HP more than 1.5 bar
Hail, for you to know c'? the way to move from the map to the maximum value of the pressure of the turbo beyond which the car goes into recovery? The Cio? 1.5 bar...
Now I work with a wire recovery but sometimes you just have a peak at 1.5 and the ecu goes into recovery.
This problem if you want you can? delete by putting a resistance on the sensor... so as to deceive the reading... but made by the ecu would be a solution much more? professional.
I don't think it's a problem of the map, but of sensor absolute pressure that has its limits
It is equipped with a sensor to 2500 mBar, I had thought, in fact, in the alternative, to put one 3000 mBar, but from the research that I have done a sensor, 3-pin, with that form does not exist.
I took then a generic sensor from 3000 mBar with a hose connection male... I'm at the point I should make a connector to put in the place of the map sensor original but made out with a male hose connector which then attack through a tube this map sensor to 3000 mbar. Not to cut any wires for? I would like a male connector com the original map but can't find it...
That's why? I was wondering if the map could be in some way distort the reading of the map and get the result cos
but take a sensor 4-wire mjtd, type alfa 159, balances the three wires in the sensor at the end of the wire put a socket and you're done, you only need the schema to see the order of the wires ? different from that to three
bobracing
05-01-2013, 14:32
Hail, for you to know c'? the way to move from the map to the maximum value of the pressure of the turbo beyond which the car goes into recovery? The Cio? 1.5 bar...
Now I work with a wire recovery but sometimes you just have a peak at 1.5 and the ecu goes into recovery.
This problem if you want you can? delete by putting a resistance on the sensor... so as to deceive the reading... but made by the ecu would be a solution much more? professional.
you can delete conveniently via the soft
however, I believe that in addition to the sensor by 3bar we also want the mod via sw....
because if you mount the map from 3bar but in the map you always have the cut-to-2,5bar the same as the car goes into protection....
msport (exil77grande)
05-01-2013, 15:23
you can delete conveniently via the soft
bob if you enlighten us it would be useful to many,I personally I have made a turbine plus etc but I could not do a lot of tests and I had to put a meulatore but if you locate the address of the cut would be comfortable.
bobracing
05-01-2013, 15:24
the beauty of 70cv ? having mapped the pressure objective, they put in the ecu the only control for cutting more than 1.5 bar, and then moving that without making other changes HD solves the problem of cutting turbo
ideal and alzzare the threshold that will surely ec.
bobracing
05-01-2013, 15:38
ideal and alzzare the threshold that will surely ec.
exact, ? what I mean I :)
msport (exil77grande)
05-01-2013, 16:00
can you post an example?
so no need to replace the mapin this car??confirm bobracing??
bobracing
05-01-2013, 16:12
so no need to replace the mapin this car??confirm bobracing??
yeah , I confirm ;)
both the question "pedal" but above all to the question of the conversion factor turbo...
Thanks again so much in advance for everything...;)
the beauty of 70cv ? having mapped the pressure objective, they put in the ecu the only control for cutting more than 1.5 bar, and then moving that without making other changes HD solves the problem of cutting turbo
These are years that ask to the right and left but no one there had ever managed... the Other thing that I never found answers ? to go with the rail over 1480 bar...
msport (exil77grande)
05-01-2013, 17:57
if you have a good sw,a machine where you do the tests, and a bit of pasienza this we arrive at the result, but if you lack these things is difficult.
you can delete conveniently via the soft
As asked more times by msport post an example here
usa so if you say you know how to do one thing you also have to prove it
If you are not, we move to off topic
bobracing
05-01-2013, 21:34
I do not sell on the forums and not even a gift, if I can say my experiences ok, if I have to prove , what I do not want to do, then it means that constructive discussions can take, and then I correct myself, I was wrong, on the 1.3 70 hp is not c? or you can not? or better, I don't know how you can work around this problem turbo pressure of more than 1.5 bar
msport (exil77grande)
05-01-2013, 23:26
I do not sell on the forums and not even a gift, if I can say my experiences ok, if I have to prove , what I do not want to do, then it means that constructive discussions can take, and then I correct myself, I was wrong, on the 1.3 70 hp is not c? or you can not? or better, I don't know how you can work around this problem turbo pressure of more than 1.5 bar
sincerely your answer I have to disappoint a lot,don't sell but you make your advertising the' indirect writing that you can easily make from the map,the post was constructive, if we could to help the user who opened it to resolve the problem that you say you know the solution.
bobracing
06-01-2013, 02:32
sincerely your answer I have to disappoint a lot,don't sell but you make your advertising the' indirect writing that you can easily make from the map,the post was constructive, if we could to help the user who opened it to resolve the problem that you say you know the solution.
Advertising? !!!! and what ? I say that I have a chance? to get a soft , given that I spent a lot of time on the development and I found how to do it, in this where is the " advertising" my contribution is to say that for sure it is way soft, so if one has the desire and time puts it on and finds it, and not waste time trying something that may or may not be, not for this, I give my work. If my thoughts don't marry the thought of the forum I'm sorry, take? to say that terr? for me my experiences.
P.S.
For my advertising? I have my own website that I mention in the forum
so guys.... my raga has a opel corsa 1.3 90hp.... when I had the crowd is the original I turned to 1.8 bar and confirm without any recovery... I have not touched anything in addition to those 4 curves of the pressure turbo.... throw it... if it's superimposed on the map of the race to map the 70cv.... will be infinitemente different??? p.s. the file ori I know is in the database of the original files....
FidodidoTuning
06-01-2013, 09:34
The 70cv mounts 6jf,instead of the 90hp 6f3
Anke the size of the files and so much in the content are different...
Are not sovraponobili for what you say ke you to find...
bobracing
06-01-2013, 09:59
Don'T ask me via PM information, or sales information, I do NOT sell on_line
Well I'm at the point we hope to find some other expert that we could enlighten you on how to do is mod... and maybe even how to climb with the rail over 1480 bar...
Advertising? !!!! and what ? I say that I have a chance? to get a soft , given that I spent a lot of time on the development and I found how to do it, in this where is the " advertising" my contribution is to say that for sure it is way soft, so if one has the desire and time puts it on and finds it, and not waste time trying something that may or may not be, not for this, I give my work. If my thoughts don't marry the thought of the forum I'm sorry, take? to say that terr? for me my experiences.
P.S.
For my advertising? I have my own website that I mention in the forum
The info found on this forum, and made available to all users are very difficult to find around,fortunately not all think like you, otherwise this forum will not exist,if you want to receive something, you have to also give,and this is the opposite of how you think you
I do not think that to give an address on a map, you would have made it go bankrupt,but obviously since you are from a famous forum
where all of you are dicks to them and do not give the least help, if not to sell you something for you this kind of reasoning, and normal.
PS the address of your site, l have placed on the home page of our forum so it is not true what you say,however, this was removed for correctness
I wanted to point out these two things in public because we like to be clear,with this I close it here and I would like to ask dora forward if you let go of the condiividere something, do it with the facts without saying I can't do it and that's it.
but welcome to all the users that come from the puttanaio behave in the same way???
our friend I think I have the wrong forum,this forum proved to all users who a bit of + those a bit - in their possibility, they shared experiences and continue to share this ? the spirit of the forum, personally of his theory, but I can't import anything,even if I have heard around that ? feasible, invite users,given that he nn gives nothing,and the room he shares with none of his work not to ask in private..I can guarantee you that nn ? its exclusive and soon in this forum sara posted the solution.ahh of course, the time to obtain the information needed.
msport (exil77grande)
06-01-2013, 18:16
advertising? !!!! And what ? I say that I have a chance? to get a soft , given that I spent a lot of time on the development and I found how to do it, in this where is the " advertising" my contribution is to say that for sure it is way soft, so if one has the desire and time puts it on and finds it, and not waste time trying something that may or may not be, not for this, I give my work. If my thoughts don't marry the thought of the forum I'm sorry, take? to say that terr? for me my experiences.
P.s.
For my advertising? I have my own website that I mention in the forum
ps not to mention in the forum but you included in your home page as regularly it is forbidden that I have to delete so I suggest you take a look at the regulation in order to avoid other mistakes seen that in the forums usually writes to grow together, and not to write certain that you can do because at that point it's useless to write it,I hope I was clear.
msport (exil77grande)
06-01-2013, 18:20
our friend I think I have the wrong forum,this forum proved to all users who a bit of + those a bit - in their possibility, they shared experiences and continue to share this ? the spirit of the forum, personally of his theory, but I can't import anything,even if I have heard around that ? feasible, invite users,given that he nn gives nothing,and the room he shares with none of his work not to ask in private..I can guarantee you that nn ? its exclusive and soon in this forum sara posted the solution.ahh of course, the time to obtain the information needed.
the fact is that here, apart from the beginners who are trying to help to the extent possible, we would like to also accommodate professionals like us, and then not only give information but also to receive them and then when people are enrolled in the forum at the bottom of what we are to do??
bobracing you you stepped into a hornet's nest...other users who have done as you have said that one thing you can do, but then not a year, wanted to disclose have been banned for this.....to me sincerely feel sorry for these measures, people in the leg to be expelled for this, but on the other hand, the spirit of the forum is to be respected from the moment you join it..otherwise, as they say, our admin's best not to write you can? do this or that, and then create tensions because they did not want to share it, even if rightfully one will spit blood on that fact and you do not feel like doing it? first to throw the stone and hide the hand it would be better that one of us thought better of....but perhaps you were unaware of this sharing in the forum??(which I among others I think is right)
msport (exil77grande)
06-01-2013, 18:31
munro we always regret when we ban someone, especially if it is a professonista that could contribute to the growth of all but the fact is, as I have already written if one is a professional and then not share anything that we're doing in the forum?
in addition, the regulation was recently updated and it is also clear on this thing.
no..no Msport I fully share everything I do not dispute that must be my small regret, if so, can you? say, and which, rightly, as did you also notice you of the professionals in the leg in the most on a forum make a lot convenient to all, because it grows all together...then I'm sorry that these things happen....that's all.
nuovaecu
27-01-2013, 15:33
Please excuse a question from a beginner but in the 75 hp turbo pressure you can? increase? Always Grandepunto
Mechanically acting on the wastegate as it is precisely to the point 70CV
magi1984
28-01-2013, 12:32
honestly, I think I've found the pressure limiter turbo, I took as an example a file of a 500 75hp, in the driver you can find turbo pressure, as the maximum value we are at 205, which, when multiplied by the conversion factor of that? 14 at about 2800mbar
the limiter pressure turbo is located just before the 2 maps of turbo pressure, search for it in 2d 8bit, are a series of gobbette with maximum value 179, which, when multiplied by 14 is 2506mbar, i.e. the limit of the turbo pressure.
but the question springs to mind...those 2 maps in the drivers of the ecm are called pressure turbo, what kind of maps ARE?????
may not be pressure turbo
blackwolf76
28-01-2013, 13:50
honestly, I think I've found the pressure limiter turbo, I took as an example a file of a 500 75hp, in the driver you can find turbo pressure, as the maximum value we are at 205, which, when multiplied by the conversion factor of that? 14 at about 2800mbar
the limiter pressure turbo is located just before the 2 maps of turbo pressure, search for it in 2d 8bit, are a series of gobbette with maximum value 179, which, when multiplied by 14 is 2506mbar, i.e. the limit of the turbo pressure.
but the question springs to mind...those 2 maps in the drivers of the ecm are called pressure turbo, what kind of maps ARE?????
may not be pressure turbo
In 70cv map turbo does not exist as the wastgate ? pneumaticao, but theoretically you should find the only limiter pressure that serves to prevent breakage in the event of pressure uncontrolled. In addition, the 70cv not even the geometry variable, preorgativa of 75 and 90 hp.
magi1984
28-01-2013, 15:08
not c'? the map turbo I know, its the limiter for? that should be it.
in 70cv can't find it, but in the 1.3 mjet 75 85 and 90 horses, the pressure limiter turbo ? this:
that and one of the lim turbo. maps 8-bit look like a limiter in the 70cv nn we are. then or and a byte ( that is, without having a damos I see hard to find it), or, and a map of the 16-bit to find it you must know the conversion .
I some idea of the ec-I, but if you dont have the car as you go to do the tests??
the turbo maps are all 8-bit, therefore, research should focus in this direction..
it maps + limiters are all 8-bit. but in the file of 70cv nn ec a map to the 8-bit that looks like a limiter.
that and one of the lim turbo. maps 8-bit look like a limiter in the 70cv nn we are. then or and a byte ( that is, without having a damos I see hard to find it), or, and a map of the 16-bit to find it you must know the conversion .
I some idea of the ec-I, but if you dont have the car as you go to do the tests??
mavaila1972
29-01-2013, 00:09
quoto full
If someone knows how to climb over 1480 of rail... I have the injectors of the 95cv them ready...
Really? I had them put on for a few months but it seemed to me that the top was worse...
According to me, being made to work to 1600 bar gave the maximum 1480
Only a dyno would tell the truth
Xtreme0303
17-03-2013, 21:57
with certainty the injectors gp 75 and 90 hp are the same, only change the pump to the rail, C1P and C1PH
with certainty the injectors gp 75 and 90 hp are the same, only change the pump to the rail, C1P and C1PH
Yes, but I've had them replaced on the Point 70CV them are different.
Xtreme0303
18-03-2013, 12:04
you're right, I had intended evil, I, in this case according to me c'? from review also the flute and the pump, unfortunately the injection ? the worst part is where do hybrids
SandroMarciano
18-03-2013, 12:24
for the bit I think that the failure you have when the sensor reaches its maximum value (voltage). You can? proceed in 2 ways to avoid the problem according to me:
1. You look in the damos (which I do, but I am aware of the fact that around) and you increase the limit of the voltage of the sensor.
2. Applies a resistance to the pressure sensor distorting the signal, so the turbo being a mechanical adjustment is not expected to have problems in its management.
The damos unfortunately it seems not to have none, or better for marelli there are damos to open to say with winols but have their own proprietary format, which opens with the helios programme which is not c'? no trace on the internet.
The only would be someone who works in FPT...
The second solution of the resistance ? feasible, let's say the work via software it was pi? clean, but in the end changes little.
The injectors that I had put I engine 95 hp (then still different from those of 75 or 90HP) had pi? flow, let's say that mounting them with the map ori was almost like having the map with 8/10% in the pi? in the times of injection.
Also, the way to come up with the rail in addition to 1480 bar you from the map, but nobody knows or who knows if he is for him... (and I find it hard to understand the reason so I'm basically engine 70CV I know that is not pi? mounted), or in addition to the map you should also put a module on the rail so as to have a pressure definitely higher why? the ecu reads 1480 (if I have a map from 1480), but really? will be more?... but then I don't know how...
SandroMarciano
18-03-2013, 13:20
what you have written on the helios, etc, etc ? correct, but ? exceeded, in the sense that the voices say that ? have exported a file from helios .ols do a search on ******I don't know... however it could be full...
for the speech of the injectors, and set the screen duration by ori of the 70cv and 95, you say? what are the best 1480bar max. also when you change injectors you also need to complete the map of the duration with those of the machine from which you take the injectors, otherwise sballerai consumption, rpm, etc etc
Xtreme0303
18-03-2013, 13:23
unfortunately, every time the ecu marelli applies omert? about the changes...
what you have written on the helios, etc, etc ? correct, but ? exceeded, in the sense that the voices say that ? have exported a file from helios .ols do a search on ******I don't know... however it could be full...
for the speech of the injectors, and set the screen duration by ori of the 70cv and 95, you say? what are the best 1480bar max. also when you change injectors you also need to complete the map of the duration with those of the machine from which you take the injectors, otherwise sballerai consumption, rpm, etc etc
Good to know I'm a file ols..
For the injectors I left them about a month and then I put those golds because? in the complex seemed to be going better.
If all goes well, in a week I should mount the variable turbine geometry of the 90hp geometry and managed by wg...
After I get the screen 70 and 95 hp,...
For the fact that it does not exceed 1480 bar pu? be a loss for the injectors that are made to go at 1600? Or doesn't matter?
The other thing, the fact that the mechanic does not have them encoded or how you call the procedure where you have to enter the code of the injectors pu? affect this performance?
Thanks.
Xtreme0303
18-03-2013, 19:02
to encode you can use a simple diagnosis... I don't see why? he has not done
To trick the ecu through the map...without diventari crazy with the resistors, is there a module already? ready with a trimmer to adjust the voltage..I use it for years
Xtreme0303
18-03-2013, 22:50
bought where?
To trick the ecu through the map...without diventari crazy with the resistors, is there a module already? ready with a trimmer to adjust the voltage..I use it for years
Also interested I...
Guys... but have you tried putting a sensor that works up to 3Bar? please try for a moment on the 70cv the problem goes away the same thing goes for injection fiat edc15 Euro 2 type bravo, first series 156 of the first series and so on.
I'm attaching a nice document with all the info you need.
mariodarkblue
19-03-2013, 15:04
Hello james...you want to put the sensor 3 bar on edc15...if you are not adapting to the map, the only sensor ? useless
SandroMarciano
19-03-2013, 17:27
Hello james...you want to put the sensor 3 bar on edc15...if you are not adapting to the map, the only sensor ? useless
I love, not give? recovery, but it will be? the same thing to put a resistor "very hardy"!
mariodarkblue
19-03-2013, 17:42
Be careful not to confuse for?...the recovery there will be? the same!but this time not why? the sensor must be "off the scale", but why? you exceed the limit of the recovery imposed in the map...
Xtreme0303
19-03-2013, 20:43
and from the map you can? work around?
SandroMarciano
19-03-2013, 22:42
the speech ? always, if we had the description of the map you could do what you want.
Xtreme0303
19-03-2013, 23:31
in another forum there was talk of having to linearize the sensor...
Sorry the question off the topic. Injectors 69/75 are different, and there I am. But on 69 are those of the 95. On 75, those of the 95, are as well?
Returning to the topic. But you want to go beyond the 1.5 bar with the turbine golds, or why? you have also changed the crowd?
The injectors of the Point 70CV are different from those of the GP 75 and 90. Those of the 95 are still different and the point 70 go there (I made), and are therefore also on the 75 and 90... even if I don't know how much greater scope.
Over 1.5 was for turbines that are not original, see BV35 that it seems to me that those who have the GP holds more than 1.5 bar, or better yet GTB1446V.
I at the end of the week or beginning of next I should mount a BV35-derived GP90 on my 70. Of course, the control of the variable geometry ? been changed and now is operated by a wastegate.
Good Faith, where are you? I have a Swift 75, thanks for the info on the injectors. Xk? mount a BV35, and not something more? seriously, a times that you do the work? I am impressed by a 1749...To 1.5 I think you only have to pump enough air...
Xtreme0303
20-03-2013, 01:19
but in the end you may distort the nature of a diesel...what? low rpm torque..
Well, theoretically being able to get it to work properly the geo, it should not then "load" cos? so high, don't you think?
maybe increase the lag of 300 rpm, I think that with the various attempts to map, it is possible to limit as much as pi? can the phenomenon, with for? a progression surely greater, and a shot to the high remarkable. In addition the temperatures will be more? low, and at equal pressure, the flow rate much greater. There would not even the problem, according to me, to exceed the 1.5 of the recovery.
Or something wrong?
We are for? a p? off topic :/
SandroMarciano
20-03-2013, 08:16
I try to respond to them all:
Yes, to change the sensor this is to be linearized to the new values, I did it on mine, but I could why? I have the damos, so I searched and found where to change the linearization, but this ECU we have for now only the information derived from the diagnosis and from the practical experience...
The turbine: the 1749v *1.5 bar ? gi? in the area of pumping, and would not last more? of 100000km to be optimistic. Among other things, first increase the turbine I would ensure that we of the fact that you have a chance? give diesel, the air only not aumebta the power...
mariodarkblue
20-03-2013, 08:26
Guys, I have seen a gt1749 mounted under a Ypsilon, turn 2.5 pressure...has rolled 136 hp...Anyway, I have your address..you have to change the sensor and linearize in the map....but without damos or directions...I think it is impossible
SandroMarciano
20-03-2013, 10:50
I think that a gt1749v * 2.5 bar relative to the original there will arrive? never... why? it should have the maximum limit of pumping 1.8 bar, and after that increase the rpm, but the pressure remains the same... to turn it to 2.5 bar had to be made up of the compressor increased and antisurge...
Yes, but I seem to still a few horses to those pressures.... O. o
Good Faith, where are you? I have a Swift 75, thanks for the info on the injectors. Xk? mount a BV35, and not something more? seriously, a times that you do the work? I am impressed by a 1749...To 1.5 I think you only have to pump enough air...
I live in the province of Ravenna, I opted for the BV35 to the fact that not c'? too much to adapt, exhaust side ? compatible, the size of the impeller of the exhaust, it seems to me right, the nut of the compressor, instead, it seems to me too small... a hybrid according to me it could go well, a friend is mounted a KP35 increased with impellers derived from renault, and also the nut of the compressor is derived from renault that the minimum ? 50% more? great.
Currently I have a KP35 with the impellers derived from renault, but the nuts are original. I have a bit of a boost in the pi? from the top, maybe, but I moved the pair up to at least 300 rpm.
I also have a GTB1549V that fits the 2.0 Mjt from 170cv but it seems to me excessive, ? the double, or perhaps even more? with respect to the kp35.
I am convinced that with an ad hoc adaptation could remove satisfactions... but you should also mount exhaust manifolds craft 4-in-1 so as to try to minimize all the ways the lag.
The 1549 ? excessive perhaps, you....
The BV for? I don't know up to that point is better to mount it...While the kp35 half renault, 'm there, seen that renault have the kp39 , the same as the plates, but only pi? great...
mariodarkblue
20-03-2013, 13:40
Hi faith...I can confirm that the 1549vb ? a beautiful turbine...anyway guys...don't be fooled...if I have 1.5 bar of a turbine, or original, 1.5 bar 1749v (aside from the discourse temperatures, for a moment)the quantity? air sar? always THE SAME!
Then, to have more? air you need a turbine capable of withstanding pressure.
Hello james...you want to put the sensor 3 bar on edc15...if you are not adapting to the map, the only sensor ? useless
I have a alfa 156 edc15 maps turbo gold without even looking at them and sensor prex is changed and everything is ok..same thing done on a point
mariodarkblue
20-03-2013, 22:25
I have a alfa 156 edc15 maps turbo gold without even looking at them and sensor prex is changed and everything is ok..same thing done on a point
mariodarkblue
20-03-2013, 22:44
Ah sorry, I thought I speak of the JTD115;) instead you say the vekkia and dear jtd105 with gt1544:D
Hi faith...I can confirm that the 1549vb ? a beautiful turbine...anyway guys...don't be fooled...if I have 1.5 bar of a turbine, or original, 1.5 bar 1749v (aside from the discourse temperatures, for a moment)the quantity? air sar? always THE SAME!
Then, to have more? air you need a turbine capable of withstanding pressure.
Ok, also derives from the pressure, to temperatures ir? low....But a turbine pi? coarse to peer pressure, however, pi? power.
Or Better. A large turbine, at the same pressure there by chance? to work with a quantity X of the air to the range more. The kp35 to 3500 rpm ? gi? out-of-phase and good that is charging 1.25....A 1749, if appropriate well, with a small drain, and the compressor is not huge, it will have a greater inertia, but it will be? able to work 1.5 bar, constantly yielding to 4800 rpm...
msport (exil77grande)
21-03-2013, 12:39
the post party was very interesting and constructive, then we avoid the off topic.
SandroMarciano
21-03-2013, 13:05
C'? little to build, finch? never leaves no doubt that there will be news?! The alternatives have been listed,
1 module to the sensor
2 the resistance of the sensor.
For now there are no other solutions...
C'? little to build, finch? never leaves no doubt that there will be news?! The alternatives have been listed,
1 module to the sensor
2 the resistance of the sensor.
For now there are no other solutions...
That famous ols exported from the helios, you know something?
I tried to search but I have not found anything...
SandroMarciano
21-03-2013, 19:45
I'll answer you in mp, I would not like to violate the rules...
Sells a company sicilian not? if I can write the name for a question of advertising....I can only say in pm..at least I think..
The problem will be? for? the cost of visa that I should only use it for my car... I do not trade...
msport (exil77grande)
22-03-2013, 20:35
C'? little to build, finch? never leaves no doubt that there will be news?! The alternatives have been listed,
1 module to the sensor
2 the resistance of the sensor.
For now there are no other solutions...
then, the discussion has no reason to continue in off topic don't you think?
when there will be news on' continue'.
msport (exil77grande)
22-03-2013, 20:36
Sells a company sicilian not? if I can write the name for a question of advertising....I can only say in pm..at least I think..
this emulator will sell it to us if you have need you can send us a ***** and as to the firm's sicilian two steps from us.
Tinturia
30-04-2013, 19:57
I knew that in order to increase the pressure of the turbo mechanically it istallava a tap T in the tube of the control of the wastegate valve to move more? in the high point of the opening of the valve itself, cos? to reduce the rpm of the impeller and get the pressures pi? high in the turbine.
Question: Inserting the emulator of the turbo pressure it is necessary to insert the T-piece? (I don't think, but me ? come to doubt)
SandroMarciano
30-04-2013, 20:20
what ? do not bring the error to the control unit (putting the module) what ? increase materially the pressure (with the connection to the "T")
Tinturia
30-04-2013, 20:39
so if I wanted to increase the pressure in the turbine should I put the T-piece but to do so that the unit does not go into error (why? maybe I have exceeded 1.5 bar) I have to put in the emulator. With only the emulator (by moving the restrictor to the turbo) then it does not increase the operating pressure of the turbine!?
With the turbine original enough and advances the pressure of 1.5 before it goes into recovery.
Put the faucet and adjust the peak at 1.4 bar and not go? in recovery and you will have a constant pressure of about 1.2 bar
Tinturia
30-04-2013, 21:25
Ok! Thank you very much.
leandro89
03-06-2013, 21:19
honestly, I think I've found the pressure limiter turbo, I took as an example a file of a 500 75hp, in the driver you can find turbo pressure, as the maximum value we are at 205, which, when multiplied by the conversion factor of that? 14 at about 2800mbar
the limiter pressure turbo is located just before the 2 maps of turbo pressure, search for it in 2d 8bit, are a series of gobbette with maximum value 179, which, when multiplied by 14 is 2506mbar, i.e. the limit of the turbo pressure.
but the question springs to mind...those 2 maps in the drivers of the ecm are called pressure turbo, what kind of maps ARE?????
may not be pressure turbo
hello, the conversion factor 14 of which you speak ? a number that comes from some calculation is precise? if so, which one?
thanks a lot
Alessandro sp
15-10-2014, 18:50
sorry guys but can I know if someone managed to move the recovery of the turbo....xke no I can not and or tried to put the resistance, but the machine nn is completely and from the map I can .......the machine and a grande punto 1.3 75 hp 2009
You put the resistance in the wire wrong.
I know that you can? right from the map...But the only drawback of having the resistance ? the light turned on, anything about the other...sure the machine goes
Alessandro sp
15-10-2014, 19:54
from the sensor out of the three wires a, and the mass of that black there are 2 I took the one that takes the 5v output ...but the thing that is known, and as if canbiassero the pontifical council for culture dispensing pero nn or tried the second wire ..then to me the spy nn turn then and strange avro wrong thread pero talk that the pressure 1.8 bar, and I mounted a turbine largest
we talk about that I was a 1.9 with resistance on the map....The light will turn on xk? va disagreed with the pressure to a minimum, with respect to the p-atm.
Where are you from?!?
Alessandro sp
15-10-2014, 20:16
I am of sicily ,......you say that I put the resistance on the wire sbaglioto ...or do I have to do everything on the map???
The wrong edge.
Have you seen what is the value read in the diagnosis?!?
Alessandro sp
15-10-2014, 21:24
Danny test done I changed the wire is better, but it goes into recovery
Alessandro sp
15-10-2014, 21:27
Provo. Do the map with emc2001 but I can find the directori of the recovery turbo
What strength did you use?!?
The error you gave?!?
Anyway, let it be the ecm does not find anything for the trbo, even for the 90 there's soul
Alessandro sp
15-10-2014, 21:50
Error turbocharger resistance and 38 or 39 ohm ...then what program do you recommend??
To study xD
The marelli are very confusing....
Alessandro sp
15-10-2014, 22:27
Yes, but give me but the hand xke I am coming out of the head
I'm not at home currently, but out of the office for the university.
Tomorrow, I will say that resistance had mounted me ;)
Alessandro sp
16-10-2014, 00:49
ok let me know and I can sapereche program my tips to make maps where I can move everything
Not c'? a program, or study and seek to interpret how far you can without damos, or you get the damos for winols, but on marelli does not c'? nothing....
Ergo, evidence,and against the evidence...
passion engines
16-10-2014, 17:20
For those who still use the resistors, the one in question ? a 39 Ohm 5-7 W.........
Alessandro sp
16-10-2014, 22:03
? the same that I use but I think it could work
passion engines
18-10-2014, 23:43
you have to use it on the wire where it comes from power supply 12 v....... with the connector of the sensor towards you, and the first on the left.......
Alessandro sp
19-10-2014, 00:22
Ok I try tomorrow and see what happens
cinqueturbo
19-10-2014, 12:32
For those who still use the resistors, the one in question ? a 39 Ohm 5-7 W.........
I with this resistance I remove the electrical part of the EGR etc.
you are sure to go the veins to MAP sensor?
To find the right resistor to fool the pressure I would use a potentiometer 10Khm..
to find the right compromise, and then place the resistance..
passion engines
20-10-2014, 16:51
I with this resistance I remove the electrical part of the EGR etc.
you are sure to go the veins to MAP sensor?
To find the right resistor to fool the pressure I would use a potentiometer 10Khm..
Alessandro sp
08-11-2014, 18:05
guys maybe, or found the way x to raise the pressure from the map
:D
carlo abarth
08-11-2014, 20:08
you understand how to!!!!
Alessandro sp
08-11-2014, 20:37
I have said that you have to delete the recovery from the general control unit
In the sw 1065P351 you need to change the bit 6112A, the maximum overpressure permitted in the intake manifold. The original ? 1500 then you should be in recovery to 1.5 bar, I put 1650 and then moved to the recovery 1.65
Alessandro sp
08-11-2014, 21:58
Excuse with which program did you do that with titanium emc
You can do this with ecm, with winols and any other program for chip tuning.
Ela.Toretto
10-11-2014, 20:10
In the sw 1065P351 you need to change the bit 6112A, the maximum overpressure permitted in the intake manifold. The original ? 1500 then you should be in recovery to 1.5 bar, I put 1650 and then moved to the recovery 1.65
Faith but that bit also serves as a for the 75 hp? ;)
C'? also on the 75 and 90 HP, and I found it by comparing the curves of a project -- a 500 MJD8 but some of the map are similar and also the one where c'? the limit for the pressure. I had also resolved previously that I had found through this OLS map gain MAP sensor, the cio? decreasing the gain value so that the unit is to be read as a value lower than the real one (a little bit what is the resistance)
This bit I also tried on a great point with this sw and hw 3442P766 - 51806498, here the bit ? to 92EE0. Look at the shape of the curves even close to this bit, and maybe you're also on another version of SW
have you ever tried to make only this change.....given that there are some who prefer to put only one of the resistors....in this case, by changing only the value would be enough for a change ,or ? the more that you can adopt during a change.
This ? a work on the pi? clean the resistance, with turbine original and faucet calibrated wire of the recovery concept, it happened sometimes that there was... what? no more?... but with the turbine of the original ? also too... Gi? 1.6 bar starts to make strange noises...
Ela.Toretto
19-11-2014, 22:53
If the map sensor ? 2500 mbar not read? much above 1.5 bar. If the map and 3000 mbar then read? up to 2 bar.
If you have the turbine original I don't recommend you highly to exceed 1.5 bar.
Ela.Toretto
20-11-2014, 07:59
no no now I have the gtb14 of 1.6 ;) so at least if I replace the sensor, what else should be done? ;) just to give you an idea ;) otherwise, I put a pressure gauge in the car and on ;)
I in this ****llo would put the pressure gauge in the car and caring of the one that reads the sensor...
Ela.Toretto
20-11-2014, 13:59
it is to the point I'm going to depo ;)
you have not completed the topic.....where would be?? Hihihihih
Ela.Toretto
24-11-2014, 19:18
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