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emilground
29-12-2012, 19:31
Hello to all, I ask the pi? experts if starting from a complete reading in the BDM of a 159 2.0 170cv is possible to transfer such content on a 159 1.9 150CV always maintaining the same encoding of 150 hp. It is feasible ? I have never tried it, and I ask those who maybe has already? done. I would like to try to use the map of 170 hp on my 150 to see the differences.
I know, Saturday night I think of certain things :rolleyes:
Thanks for your attention and good weekend to all :)
FidodidoTuning
29-12-2012, 19:45
Is not feasible...not even part of
emilground
29-12-2012, 20:05
if I try and still nothing happens, I read in the BDM little is flash and e2p, and then I have the backup. I would only read a 170 hp to try.
that goes wrong put it up again :D
? strange that it does not start even, always edc16c39 ? and for this I was wondering if you could clone all of a 170 hp
no you can map it ? take equally the 20cv with poki increments?
emilground
29-12-2012, 20:21
Gi? ? mapped and goes divinely, but it was only for a test :)
legendaryslave
29-12-2012, 20:34
you can take the increminti of a file 170 and copy in your files and see the differences, but you must keep your number hw
but it was only for a test :)
and what are you waiting for??test and you tell us how ? the story.....
if you don't risk anything given that you've read the full bdm...
try and just...
get the complete file of the flash and sparaglielo inside..
see what happens...
I say unto you, that acts as a.....
emilground
29-12-2012, 20:45
you can take the increminti of a file 170 and copy in your files and see the differences, but you must keep your number hw
Change enough of the map of the 170, especially in the various BP.
Anyway, if I can find the complete reading provo
I know you can do that, you can clone only the control units with the same number hw
legendaryslave
29-12-2012, 20:54
I know you can do that, you can clone only the control units with the same number hw
not ? said I also tried with different hardware maybe you can also put it into motion, but then you bring a series of problems that do not solve never as a state of permanent recovery and a whole series of erroriri absurd due precisely to the electrical system and equipment different
Should not leave but sometimes strange things happen...try and let us know..
emilground
29-12-2012, 20:57
Yes, but there will be? a way to change the number of hardware ( perhaps not well-known, but c'
legendaryslave
29-12-2012, 20:58
to the limit by a look here
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?59-alfa-159/page2
I know you can do that, you can clone only the control units with the same number hw
holy words
must not clone anything..
should just put the file in flash eprom 159 170cv in the flash eprom of the 159 150 hp...
emilground still due are you??
the test and that's it!!!
legendaryslave
29-12-2012, 21:01
Yes, but there will be? a way to change the number of hardware ( perhaps not well-known, but c'?)
hw identifies own the electronic components by a comparison with a pc skeda madre processor skeda video ram, and all the rest of the sw ? the program, the operating system that loads inside
so the answer, and you definitely don't want to change the hw as you may have to change just the components, but then change the sw as the then upload
I hope I was clear
different software can write it even with mpps.
takes the file ori bed in the bdm with superior software and writes with 10min of writing.
but different hardware though.
try x to believe.........
legendaryslave
29-12-2012, 21:20
different software can write it even with mpps.
takes the file ori bed in the bdm with superior software and writes with 10min of writing.
but different hardware though.
try x to believe.........
we say the same thing
Has anyone tried if ? feasible to clone the ecu always EDC16C39 on another that had its origin in a number of different hardware?
With edc16c39 no but with edc16 renault or mjet you and I have never been able to put in motion.
but for curiosity? ? was this test?
I did cun a edc16 renault, changed the last 3 numbers m ? game, zero errors.
emilground
19-01-2013, 19:20
my not ? the match, the test I made
The Cio? with edc16 renault and with edc16c39 could you not? From your last post, I realized that nothing worked while since your last, I understand that you worked...
Sorry maybe I made a p? of confusion, then with edc16 renault only with the last three numbers different ? the game, with the last 5 numbers different part though edc16 renault, com mjet fiat with hw slightly different (same number, just change the letter after the number).
my not ? the match, the test I made
if you throw into the file, with an mpps or by the serial, not you hand..... in the serial write only the tables, I according to me the test to do ? to copy the increments of the 170cv on the map ori of the machine, you don't have ne problems with immo or other problems.... ;)
if you throw into the file, with an mpps or by the serial, not you hand..... in the serial write only the tables, I according to me the test to do ? to copy the increments of the 170cv on the map ori of the machine, you don't have ne problems with immo or other problems.... ;)
moreover.... inside the flash c'? the immo.... or the scodifichi total, or do nothing
Always for the sake of clarity I have always done everything in the bdm.
Always for the sake of clarity I have always done everything in the bdm.
I believe that even if done in the bdm, the makkina not part of the same, as it has problems of code.... I capit? to me, reading from the serial port and rscrivendo another ori, on an alfa gt edc16c8 lit the lamp code.... and the makkina not start...
also guys ? to say one important thing, the 150hp mount the injectors are different from the 170cv or....
0445110341 for the 170cv
0445110243 for the 150 hp
someone can tell me if you know the flow rates of the calibration of these injectors???
I if I remember correctly, my (150hp) on the brochure calibration of the crown diesel gave them to 14cc it seems to me.... but now I have a slip of the tongue I do not remember!!!
emilground
23-01-2013, 12:47
if you throw into the file, with an mpps or by the serial, not you hand..... in the serial write only the tables, I according to me the test to do ? to copy the increments of the 170cv on the map ori of the machine, you don't have ne problems with immo or other problems.... ;)
yes, I did, and I wrote all of BDM but not ? game.
Well it was time to take a test, the increments of the 170 I served.
For? as soon as I find a ecu full 170 hp do another test..
nuovaecu
23-01-2013, 14:43
so if I put a file with bdm grandepunto in an ecu lancia y always the same displacement and hp is not to be'?
If you do not have the same number of HD, most likely, no.
baraldino
18-09-2013, 22:56
According to you ? can clone a ecu bosch 0281013579 on a Hw 0281013580 both mounted on the fiat bravo 1900 to the year 2007, but the first ? a 120 hp 8-valve, while the second ? a 150 hp 16-valve? checking on the ESI family ? the same edc16c39-5.w2 ?
Backgroop
18-09-2013, 23:48
According to you ? can clone a ecu bosch 0281013579 on a Hw 0281013580 both mounted on the fiat bravo 1900 to the year 2007, but the first ? a 120 hp 8-valve, while the second ? a 150 hp 16-valve? checking on the ESI family ? the same edc16c39-5.w2 ?
Hello ? can the HW and the same; the only difference is the software
max boost
19-09-2013, 20:17
According to you ? can clone a ecu bosch 0281013579 on a Hw 0281013580 both mounted on the fiat bravo 1900 to the year 2007, but the first ? a 120 hp 8-valve, while the second ? a 150 hp 16-valve? checking on the ESI family ? the same edc16c39-5.w2 ?
since hw is almost identical should go, you have to try...let us know
baraldino
19-09-2013, 22:17
Start from the beginning:
I decided to replace the ecu of this car why? as soon as you turn the key remains on the spy code-ABS-ie and the car is not a party to the diagniosi can the engine control unit does not ? active waiting for 15/20 sec the indicator code is off and the engine temperature goes to max then back down and the car starts, but after 30 seconds it turns off and you have to wait at least 20-30 minutes before it starts, but if the ones you expect another 30 seconds, and the temperature returns to the max you can? put in motion and the machine works properly until ? hot. armed with a wiring diagram control power supply and the masses all ok
then check all the can line from the body to the ecu everything is ok
by-step the units on the line in order to avoid creating disturmo but the fault remains, I conclude that ? the fault of the ecu
this morning bring me the ecu 150 hp for the sake open it and position it on the mounting template to make a back up and so far everything is ok
then ? the turn of the "GOLD" and here begins the mange I'm going to open it the warm and just touch the lid is detached by opening known as a beautiful scacciavitata
on the slopes right next to the pitches of read and write I try to put it on a jig, but... does not read
then the struggle-leadership in the tracks but they are only marked the continuity c'? I try and keep it powered from pins to simulate the key to on
aspect 2 minutes but nothing last attempt to warm it slightly with a hair dryer and... the law of the whole, then, put it on the other I write
richiudo the cover horsemanship and..... The PART at the first blow and go
? for these small satisfactions that I love my job
then I confirm you can clone and it works correctly, no errors
sorry the chat
About cloning, can anyone tell me if c'? any car or commercial vehicle that mounts edc16C39-5.95 ?
This ? of a tractor, number bosch 0281020057.
Thanks.
baraldino
20-09-2013, 08:48
I found this
HOUSES 2854 971
FORD NEW HOLLAND 87 300 122
IVECO 2854971
IVECO 50488027
IVECO 504088027
It's great that you're successful, sore, which was bypassavi contacts
And you're looking for other areas to read it...
I know the cloning pu? only be possible with units identical, even if we change the number. I in the past, I've made and they work. of course, all read and written in the bdm
faberecu
23-09-2013, 14:46
see on the old ecu to us sone of the ic similar to the Plcc is dissaldano for the vibrations often in 5 min you solve the tragedies , watch the welds with a monocle 20X costs 5 euro and if you know how to do it risaldi all , on the bmw ed16 ? a failure of the applicant
baraldino
23-09-2013, 21:42
Well if tomorrow I can control
I forgot
Thanks
therefore, I have mounted the BDM backup of a 159 with code 0281015160 1037394532 in an ecu that originally had these codes 0281013138 1037380494, I simply made the scodifica part of the e2p, and recoded the injectors, everything works, no error
therefore, I have mounted the BDM backup of a 159 with code 0281015160 1037394532 in an ecu that originally had these codes 0281013138 1037380494, I simply made the scodifica part of the e2p, and recoded the injectors, everything works, no error
I don't know if you've noticed, but the discussion is almost 3 years ago. Anyway thanks for the info, and of course, there are compatibility between the ecu hw and sw are different and which are listed on esitronic.
So much for clarity of information, because it has been refreshata the discussion.
Ciaps
therefore, I have mounted the BDM backup of a 159 with code 0281015160 1037394532 in an ecu that originally had these codes 0281013138 1037380494, I simply made the scodifica part of the e2p, and recoded the injectors, everything works, no error
if you put in your backup that need you to do a partial, and recode the injectors, you have everything you need in the backup.
I would like to upgrade my tools and I ask you
advice on which hardware to read the ECU by OBD....
I'm sick of open almost always!!!!
hello sorry for the silly question, to clone a unit, in addition to having the sw and hw the same it is necessary to dismantle the lid of the ecu?
for the cloning of the units must be always strictly the same? or you can venture to install another ecu?
hello sorry for the silly question, to clone a unit, in addition to having the sw and hw the same it is necessary to dismantle the lid of the ecu?
for the cloning of the units must be always strictly the same? or you can venture to install another ecu?
For the compatibility see esitronic, maybe she has other hw compatible.. More easy for software but nsé some never sapé...
What does the cover? Has the slopes and the members of the cover?
no wondered if it was necessary to remove the cover to put the jig on the board of the ecu?or do only links to the pins of the external control unit.
no wondered if it was necessary to remove the cover to put the jig on the board of the ecu?or do only links to the pins of the external control unit.
depends on the type of ecu, and by the equipment you use.
if you put in your backup that need you to do a partial, and recode the injectors, you have everything you need in the backup.
Hello ugo, just before I was talking with a friend of this thing! if I have two controllers and I have to clonarle because a already mod and the other is not if I'll get all the backup c and need scodifica, because it is all in the e2p right?
Hello ugo, just before I was talking with a friend of this thing! if I have two controllers and I have to clonarle because a already mod and the other is not if I'll get all the backup c and need scodifica, because it is all in the e2p right?
exactly, throw in the backup and you're right, of course, the two ecu must be compatible with the hw.
Then that change is sw there is no ne frega nnt
exactly, throw in the backup and you're right, of course, the two ecu must be compatible with the hw.
aspettta but he says that should not scodificarla because the data immo are in the e2p, you tell it to write the full backup (you must also e2p).
agree!
because I have doubts about the fact that you can ONLY write the flash of a sw version is different, it is possible that the structure of the data in e2p has changed, and, therefore, are not compatible with each other.
aspettta but he says that should not scodificarla because the data immo are in the e2p, you tell it to write the full backup (you must also e2p).
agree!
because I have doubts about the fact that you can ONLY write the flash of a sw version is different, it is possible that the structure of the data in e2p has changed, and, therefore, are not compatible with each other.
Hello,isc
it is logically meant to back everything up
so guys, here are two things or I do not understand most anything in my (and can be given the age) or the Italian language was changed, salvatoreragonese above says "if I have to CLONARLE two control units," THE TERM CLONE SAYS THAT YOU DO THE SAME and in that case you have to put in the full backup of flash and e2prom, certain that if then you put it in the wrong car does not start because of the key codes, but I followed his question, if you instead want to just switch the flash changed that is not a clone of the ecu, and in that case the council not to pass the flash completes, but write the changes on the second flsh ori.
Thanks a lot for the clarification.
The part that had left me perplexed, her question was this:
if I have two controllers and I have to clonarle because a already mod and the other is not
As if he wanted to use a backup of an ecu already mapped on another drive.
Maybe I misunderstood I?
so guys, here are two things or I do not understand most anything in my (and can be given the age) or the Italian language was changed, salvatoreragonese above says "if I have to CLONARLE two control units," THE TERM CLONE SAYS THAT YOU DO THE SAME and in that case you have to put in the full backup of flash and e2prom, certain that if then you put it in the wrong car does not start because of the key codes, but I followed his question, if you instead want to just switch the flash changed that is not a clone of the ecu, and in that case the council not to pass the flash completes, but write the changes on the second flsh ori.
Hello Ugo. However, I intended to take a unit to collapse and put the full backup of what I have , not only The flash but also the micro and e2p perhaps. Perhaps we are ill-understood when I said that the original was mod.
However, we understood each other from the. Good day to all guys
Hello me explain the difference between flash micro ep2? Thanks
Hello me explain the difference between flash micro ep2? Thanks
That I know in flash there are maps for the engine in the e2p c and immo , odomemetro and I don't know what else the micro will not really know awaits those who knows more
Buonaserata
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