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Hello beautiful! as you can see from the title, seeking info on how to moddare with congnizione cause the maps and the duration of fuel injection in diesel engines volskwagen pumpe-duse i.e. injector-pump -....I ask this of you because I know that in the forum now ? format, a great group of professionals who do not have secrets and are willing to share there? who knows....since ? a parameter that I have never understood well how to moddare I hope that among you there is he who explain to me once and for all this thing.....from what I have learned in my own small way I have intended that these maps,which in the vag pd are several, and in relation to engine temp, and fuel,can be compared to the injection time of the CR engines...? more than this is not it s? a lot of pi?....for this I would ask those wishing to participate in the topic to explain more simply, can we? what could this be? disclose on a topic that for me ? pretty tough....
thanks to all those who wish to participate in the discussion in respect of this, my small request or not...
we are at 54 visits....and all is quiet....
Chris156
17-12-2012, 20:33
he he he he.. dear munro... you want all the secrets!!!!
As I do with you!!! I'll give you some clues... remember the building with the plans?? in these ecu you have to say to you that the plan start and plan to finish....
you can make a proportion of degrees iq with some mathematical formula??
es..if ori inject 50mg at 4000 rpm with 27? soi..I would like to know how do I calculate the total duration with this iq, and therefore the one with the iq of moddata...e.g. 60mg...
in my part it says: megg?he has ess curnut that badly sentut....those who want to understand to understand....
Hi munro, I can't give you a hand, but since the topic are also very interested in me, take this as a "up" to the discussion :)
thanks rsteam for your "up"...
apparently the topic, or ? very secret, or it is so hard to explain that no one wants to do it.....
however, to me it's enough it's also a way to calculate the amount? diesel on the basis of the degrees,if c'? one way we say that, then the rest of me I'd do it alone....
but here too, I'll bet the answers will be "large"....
dvdtuning
18-12-2012, 21:00
up too...;)
in my part it says: megg?he has ess curnut that badly sentut....those who want to understand to understand....
Instead of going? make a simple up, I ask you: but what does that mean "megg?he has ess curnut that mal sentut"? I just do not understand anything... :D
better to be equipped with the end? bone "stages" typical of the deer or of the ungulates in general be ill-heard or ingnorati that dir you want...
in short, you prefer to have objects not pleasant in the head to be ingnorati...
Chris156
19-12-2012 11:56 am
better to be equipped with the end? bone "stages" typical of the deer or of the ungulates in general be ill-heard or ingnorati that dir you want...
Mannagh to you'!!!! But' is' mure'!!!!!
I these days are messed up, I have just a moment I see the map, in the meantime, see the addresses that may be of interest.
dvdtuning
19-12-2012, 12:13
Thanks Chris156 from what I understand you are a really smart...
Thanks Chris156 from what I understand you are a really smart...
Much more? in the leg! ;)
cicciogsr
19-12-2012, 14:03
you can make a proportion of degrees iq with some mathematical formula??
es..if ori inject 50mg at 4000 rpm with 27? soi..I would like to know how do I calculate the total duration with this iq, and therefore the one with the iq of moddata...e.g. 60mg...
with 5? in the pi? how can you inject?
puntospeed1.3
19-12-2012, 15:26
besides, I don't think they are 27? soi.
look at the maps from the ori, and make a log of how inept.
if you inject 50mg with certain degrees from vag; and certain durations(values) in the map, make a proportion, and the lift and then ricontrolli from vag.
with this system if I'm not mistaken, the ecu thinks like the example of the building of the plans.
with 5? in the pi? how can you inject?
not l? s?...
I can't find the "connection" between grades and iq...here is dov? the problem....
then responding to puntospeed a log at this time for me seriverebbe as a burnt clutch...
also leaving to miss a moment of the increments..
with 27? soi and 50mg how many degrees would last the injection of such a diesel....
I believe that knowing how to calculate this is not c'? need many words...
I believe in a mystery of faith!!!
puntospeed1.3
19-12-2012, 15:59
the duration of the show doing a log. the voice injection duration.
if you have 27 of the soi and the duration of 36 example, you end up on inettare 9?ATDC
and according to you the log in this case as it might help me to understand if c'? a proportion between grades and iq???
I was wrong to write..it seems obvious that c'? a proportion between the degrees of duration and iq, but according to you a log as it may help me understand how to calculate this proportion??
basically it is a simple mathematical calculation..which I think even the log of the ferrari F1 can clarify if you don't know how to interpret...you know puntospeed??
what? the calculation to be taken to know this arcane mystery of the pd vag?
puntospeed1.3
19-12-2012, 17:02
then. I'm not one who knows the secrets.
but from the tests that I am doing, I am talking about edc16 but I look in the channels of the log duration, injection quantity, and also BTDC soi.
I noticed that from the original mi sedan es 59mg with, say, 30 degrees duration.
to increase the number inettata you increments maps duration that they are 6 and 4+2. ce n'? a full load 10x10 that is the first of the 4 and then another at the end of the 10x10 that you do not change.
the correlation of mg inettati? you will notice that as you increase the map in points and not in% from the log inietterai more.
You have to look at the values in the maps that I have said above. THIS ? JUST AN EXAMPLE that I write do not take him for good and copy the values, you need to see what you have.
if 3000giri in the map you value 1250 and log 62mg for inettare 68 what do you do? 62 : 1250 = 68 : x x=1370 understand?? pero ? always check from vag to make sure of how much you have increased. the vag reads up to 70mg
these are good numbers to play lotto, according to me, puntospeed...
no offense ?!! my very personal opinion...then you can? be that are the head of a fly that I did not understand anything ? you are exactly right...but for the moment the flywheel I have in head is spinning without stop wildly co sti numbers...
puntospeed1.3
19-12-2012, 17:45
I have not recommended numbers in fact. if anything, reasoning, and then there are fixed numbers. if not some conversion factor 0.023437 for the duration and for the soi.
according to your agionamento puntospeed passing by 59mg with 30? duration for reaching 68 or 62mg, without prejudice to the factor conversioe how do you calculate the total duration in degrees??
ragioniamoci together...I don't get it...sorry.....
puntospeed1.3
19-12-2012, 18:09
let the conversion factor. what ? to apply to the values in the map to see the degrees of duration.
have you looked at the maps of the duration that the values are?
with that program you edit? and that car ?
Rileggiti the example of 62mg to go to 68. that 1250 ? the duration for 62. and 1370, and' 68. to 3000giri
to check how many degrees you have increased, attacks the vag, or right-1370 x 0.023437= 32? but you have to be sure that it reports to, and are not 33 etc ? the precise conversion factor.
sorry puntospeed..lsciamo lose the sw of the map editing duration what? the car..etc....what to focus on with only a mathematical calculation of iq-degrees??I don't follow..if you have to inject 68mg need 32? duration what centa all the rest of it??
why do you say that the factor of conv not ? accurate??cos? the matematicaora ? become a general???
sorry again but st? trying to figure out, even I make jokes that they might be a little funny...(I hope not)
puntospeed1.3
19-12-2012, 18:24
so tell me what are the ste maps and the duration of injection.
I do not care what they are or are not the maps and the duration of injection at the time...I only asked if the calculation you posted you can? apply or not and why do you say that the conversion factor is not ? precise....
just wondering if to inject 62-68mg of diesel I can use your formula or 1370*0,023436=32?....
just wondering if ? trusted or not....
but I s? that you're not sure even you.....
puntospeed1.3
19-12-2012, 18:34
no you can not use, because as I wrote before, was an example. 1370 ? a value that is in a car and nothing to do with it.
but, if you know how to recognize the maps of the duration ? useless that we are talking, why ? them you have to watch for, starting with the calculation.
cicciogsr
19-12-2012, 21:23
I do not care what they are or are not the maps and the duration of injection at the time...I only asked if the calculation you posted you can? apply or not and why do you say that the conversion factor is not ? precise....
just wondering if to inject 62-68mg of diesel I can use your formula or 1370*0,023436=32?....
just wondering if ? trusted or not....
but I s? that you're not sure even you.....
says it's not ? precisely why? you don't know yet if actually? the engine operates according to the values you set in the map, and this applies to all and not only for the vag... in any case, you have everything in the map before focused on the duration and in parallel with the ori increments for up to 10 mg in pi?... I asked you how many mg in pi? with 5? why? with your numbers you could get good or bad 10 mg in pi? but always in teroria then you have to verify it, and probably you will find less or more? but definitely not the same numbers..
says it's not ? precisely why? you don't know yet if actually? the engine operates according to the values you set in the map, and this applies to all and not only for the vag... in any case, you have everything in the map before focused on the duration and in parallel with the ori increments for up to 10 mg in pi?... I asked you how many mg in pi? with 5? why? with your numbers you could get good or bad 10 mg in pi? but always in teroria then you have to verify it, and probably you will find less or more? but definitely not the same numbers..
if I s? e.g. the duration ? 32? and in this "angular" an injection-59mg I don't think that doing a simple proportion, I can calculate with 5? as inietter? more....for? we feel the same...
so if I were to 59/32=1,85 if my little reasoning follows you,but I don't think,to any degree angular would be a 1.85 mg of nafta..and then with 5? in most inietterei 1,85*37?=68,45 mg??
Chris156
21-12-2012, 12:06
I have not yet had the time to open the map...they are messed up in the guesti days..
If you make a proportion, you can figure out roughly how much to inject.
then the calculation that I made from an approximation fairly reliable?
then the calculation that I made from an approximation fairly reliable?
...........:or:confused:.............
.....addiooooo...dreams of gloooriaaaa.....
.....addiooooo...castles in ariaiaaaaa....
puntospeed1.3
27-12-2012, 18:01
you have solved something?
Chris156
27-12-2012, 19:44
I do not see more the uploaded file.. :confused:
I have not solved anything....
because my questions are for the study....
then having no confirmation or denial about it at the moment, I'm stuck.....
I do not see more the uploaded file.. :confused:
chris..but what file are you talking about?? in this discussion there has never been inserted files.....
if you really want to? do I enter it....
hello munro can I ask you what kind of vag are we talking about ?edc 15 pd , edc 16u, or ppd?
the siemenes ppd doesn't know everything, I'm stuck on the sid to ****llo studio.....
let's talk about bosch edc15-edc16...
sportknight
30-12-2012, 18:42
I did not understand what you mean, you for duration map,those 3, one behind the other or those on the pi? next in the file that are a dozen...
sportknight
30-12-2012, 20:47
ladciando original, the first, and by changing only the other, according to you, they do damage?
you must be able to calculate their duration in degrees based on the diesel that you want to give otherwise if the duration or the advance that is always part of the whole duration ? wrong ? easy to damage too early or too much duration by injecting in the exhaust....
I opened the topic on purpose but it seems that nobody wants to say anything, not even on a simple calculation that one should do if.....
2 things....or no one's? and this doesn't even want to know anything...
or they know it but it seems to be a secret incondivisibilmente hush-hush not to reveal absolutely....
ah times s? be very stubborn!!
since when no one responds or gives me confirmation that the calculation made pu? be good will continue? to "upload" this topic until the end of my days.....
not ? a threat....
I forgot.....happy new year to all of you and your loved ones....
that the new year can bring with you everything that you wish to....
from the bottom of my heart to you all every good.....
Best WISHES!!!!
sportknight
31-12-2012, 14:30
hahahaah good
bobracing
31-12-2012, 14:45
I can say that the maps DURATION are not related to them , but the ecu uses as a function of the manifold pressure
sportknight
31-12-2012, 15:02
excuse me ? came this doubt,if I have the time as a function of the engine rpm and the engine temperature,if the operating temperature of the engine ? 90 degrees..why? should I change the timing on a curve wide when I'm interested in only the bit of the 90's?
at this point, I change only that bit from 1500 onwards, no?
what do you mean by the ample curve???
Chris156
01-01-2013, 10:30
munro I have just a little time we try to come to**** this is your dilemma... that sinceramnnte I do not agree with..you want to know precisely how much to inject on these ecu, but on the other (e.g. cr) can you calculate how much to inject if sfori b.point of time?
I don't understand bewne the question.....
you want to say "if sforo the position breakpoint of the times"??
don't begin with examples of absurd?....
if you don't piglio to capitonate!!!!
if I s? e.g. the duration ? 32? and in this "angular" an injection-59mg I don't think that doing a simple proportion, I can calculate with 5? as inietter? more....for? we feel the same...
then if I 59/32=1,85 if my little reasoning and correct to every degree angle would correspond 1,85 mg of nafta..and then with 5? in most inietterei 1,85*37?=68,45 mg??
I would just like confirmation if this calculation can? be trusted....
s? ? a simple information...
Chris156
01-01-2013, 12:54
my question ? : because you're accanendo on these ecu and not on the other?
we say that the reasoning is basic and without great claims of fact? can go your calculation..
unfortunately, today we are in the service and also do not have the mental faculty to open a file and make calculations!!!!!! these holidays I have exhausted...
Chris...my not ? a fury...s? with this car you bring out the powers of the absurd, especially working in the ecu on the duration, and since they are willing to take one of these cars I would like to learn as much as possible....
bobracing
01-01-2013, 17:30
Chris...my not ? a fury...s? with this car you bring out the powers of the absurd, especially working in the ecu on the duration, and since they are willing to take one of these cars I would like to learn as much as possible....
http://ppdmaps.jazdw.net/
since you want to study, we've got you covered, download the so you schiarirai ideas :)
http://ppdmaps.jazdw.net/
since you want to study, we've got you covered, download the so you schiarirai ideas :)
Hi Bob, thanks...could you kindly explain to me a p? things about these sw...
vabb? tunerpro I know a p?..but the problem is that every time I have to create the driver....
to me, just needed to know if the calculation above could go well....
can you give me some advice??
http://ppdmaps.jazdw.net/
since you want to study, we've got you covered, download the so you schiarirai ideas :)
that sw only works with the simens (and not all ).. but it does not and that makes you understand much.. the only ecu supported decently enough are the ppd of the vag group...
I hope that the author continues with the development..but now, and quite a bit that is still in the version 132
I with this sw I managed to remove the limitation of the turbo on my sid803..first as touched for more than 2 seconds to 1.5 bar .. took error and cutting power.
bobracing
01-01-2013, 19:00
that sw only works with the simens (and not all ).. but it does not and that makes you understand much.. the only ecu supported decently enough are the ppd of the vag group...
I hope that the author continues with the development..but now, and quite a bit that is still in the version 132
I with this sw I managed to remove the limitation of the turbo on my sid803..first as touched for more than 2 seconds to 1.5 bar .. took error and cutting power.
to understand the talk of the topic enough
bobracing
01-01-2013, 19:01
Hi Bob, thanks...could you kindly explain to me a p? things about these sw...
vabb? tunerpro I know a p?..but the problem is that every time I have to create the driver....
to me, just needed to know if the calculation above could go well....
can you give me some advice??
download the soft from the website + the maps , it loads map and see the info, better than this ;)
thanks bobracing'll try...
if I have difficulties? then ask? help.....
thanks again....
bobracing
01-01-2013, 19:07
thanks bobracing'll try...
if I have difficulties? then ask? help.....
thanks again....
ok, no problem ;)
roby, I'm sorry..but the maps the discharge from the site of the tunerpro??
bobracing
02-01-2013, 09:16
roby, I'm sorry..but the maps the discharge from the site of the tunerpro??
you, or if you have any readings from the BDM should be fine as well
kindly bob could you tell me from where to download the maps from the site tunerpro??
ahahahah...great bart...***** and I always say I'd rather have 100 friends than 100 euro in your pocket....
in this case, you are priceless.....the problem is my largest at the moment ? that on your home pc from where you usually write it, and want to format because I do not allow the use of any sw to edit file of winols demo....so until the restore I have no way of studire well....so any help ? a manna from heaven...
thanks again friend!!!
bobracing
03-01-2013, 22:10
kindly bob could you tell me from where to download the maps from the site tunerpro??
Sample BDM Files (~2.3 MB)
thanks bob I immediately then if I have any doubt approffiter? still of your availability?.....if I can obviously.....
thanks again....
bobracing
03-01-2013, 23:28
thanks bob I immediately then if I have any doubt approffiter? still of your availability?.....if I can obviously.....
thanks again....
if I can, and I know, pi? that gladly
bobracing .. help us if you can ...now that I have ppd maps I have the tooth poisoned xke I want to be able to map a ppd....
sportknight
04-01-2013, 09:13
I downloaded everything, but it doesn't seem like those maps when I go on the ecm to those addresses...booooooo
As promised to munro, this morning I bought a map of Audi A4 1.9 Tdi 130HP HW729 SW705 (gi? also present in the data bank of the Forum) and I started to studiarmela.
I have identified a series of plans to those addresses, and that they should be the ones of interest for this study:
7442C
74548
74656
748DC
74B62
74DE8
The problem is now ? only to recognize them uniquely.
The first address I do not quite understand what it is, the second could be the time of injection sought by munro, and the last 4 addresses, would seem to floors of the beginning of the injection, but I await confirmation of the pi? experts...
Now I try to go to the studio with the software, recommended by bobracing...
unfortunately, to me, not even the tunerpro works on st? pc....I s? that the strength of things I have to format it....
in the meantime, for? could you show me some screen of the maps in question?
As promised to munro, this morning I bought a map of Audi A4 1.9 Tdi 130HP HW729 SW705 (gi? also present in the data bank of the Forum) and I started to studiarmela.
I have identified a series of plans to those addresses, and that they should be the ones of interest for this study:
7442C
74548
74656
748DC
74B62
74DE8
The problem is now ? only to recognize them uniquely.
The first address I do not quite understand what it is, the second could be the time of injection sought by munro, and the last 4 addresses, would seem to floors of the beginning of the injection, but I await confirmation of the pi? experts...
Now I try to go to the studio with the software, recommended by bobracing...
Bart but this car that the ecu mounts??edc16?? I ask because they change a lot of things between edc15 and 16...
however, from a "sneak peek" at this screen so you realize how much stuff c'? and the distinction that you make between the maps of the soi and the duration that you can call also maps to eoi...what? end of injection= end of injection..what for? I did not understand if the maps of the beginning of the injection are more than 10,not counting all the other maps, and soi in the screen,because the duration is just 4??
ah..this is a file hexump of the audi a4 ecu edc16 as you can see in the screen...
http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/829/screenwinolsduration.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/screenwinolsduration.png/)
http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/14/screenwinolssoin10.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/screenwinolssoin10.png/)
http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/825/screenwinolssoilimitato.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/screenwinolssoilimitato.png/)
http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/32/screenwinolssoiprincipa.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/screenwinolssoiprincipa.png/)
Hi munro, I have prepared a pdf file with the following maps were mentioned earlier, now I have to find the way to upload it...
Then, you understand the basics, we could go to the EDC16... ;)
very good..I would say... :o
Finally I made it! I do not know why, but I couldn't upload it...
bart-I'm sorry, but that sw uses to locate in that way the maps??I ask because I'm going to a p? in the confusion....
according to me the maps in the pdf are called maps in advance with the tabular values in the negative are the maps of duration or the end of the injection I am referring to 74656-748DC-74B62-74DE8...while the first two maps 7442C and 74548 seem to be the maps soi..these also in the edc15 c'? it should be 9 or 10...then there should be a map soi or advance the main I do not quite understand that utility? he has seen the beginning of the injection in pd is the equivalent of the gi? to advance, and then still there should be a map of the limitation of the soi and/or advance....
in the last there should also be a map selection of the soi based on the temp....
I'm using WinOls, but not having Damos, I look for the maps and I play manually.
I have used as a conversion factor the coeff. 0,023437. It is correct for these cars?
the fact ? bart that the soi and/or maps in advance may not have values in the negative....because if the beginning of the injection, and then the advance and always before tdc to give a negative value would not make sense...not? if m are explained....
to the contrary, a detailed eoi with the negative sign to make sense..as the duration, and always in reference to after tdc and if you find that know -2? it means that the fuel injection ends 2 degrees before tdc for the? sar? started for es 6? before.....
the fact ? bart that the soi and/or maps in advance may not have values in the negative....because if the beginning of the injection, and then the advance and always before tdc to give a negative value would not make sense...not? if m are explained....
to the contrary, a detailed eoi with the negative sign to make sense..as the duration, and always in reference to after tdc and if you find that know -2? it means that the fuel injection ends 2 degrees before tdc for the? sar? started for es 6? before.....
I agree with your explanation,and I noticed that, too, negative values, but you have seen well in that region of the plan are? :)
I've played the maps 74656, 748DC, 74B62 and 74DE8 plans SOI. (But I await confirmation!)
Negative values are in the regions where, according to me, you will never work in normal conditions of use...
well, the fact that they are in the map for s? always serve to the ecu in order to implement certain strategies..otherwise if, according to you, if the ecu in that area of the map, not v? read what sense would it put them??just to steal the space?? I don't think...according to me and according to the file of the a4 that I have on winols maps with a negative sign, which are only four of them are the duration or eoi while all the others are soi...
well, the fact that they are in the map for s? always serve to the ecu to implement certain strategies..otherwise if according to you if the ecu in that area of the map, not v? read what sense would it put them??just to steal the space?? I don't think...
Certainly, if we are serving!
But are put in an area in which you are being released, so where is the deal? fuel injected ? minimum...
according to me and according to the file of the a4 that I have on winols maps with a negative sign, which are only four are the duration or eoi while all the others are soi...
If you have the Damos, could you please give me all the addresses of the SOI, EOI and Duration!? :)
In the meantime, I'm looking for the Damos too... :)
these you seen them??
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?1680-damos-per-winols
in the"up" I wanted to write this post but I have a p? "wrapped" and I posted without the need to write there? that I wanted..and what?...
according to me, bart maps duration, and the maps eoi are the same thing....only talking to via pm with a user on the forum that I do not see more connect told me the words:the 6 maps of duration are handled in the manifold pressure, the soi based on the manifold pressure +temp.
now given the fact that anchedagli screen posted I duration I can see only 4, the other 2 where are they??but especially given the fact that the soi exists in the map selection as a function of engine temp..I think there should also be a map selection for the duration.....I do not st? understanding the pi? nothing.....someone kindly pu? help??
sportknight
08-01-2013, 10:08
6 maps of duration?
we are making a confusion :D
I have seen only 4 maps duration of which should be in recovery
and pi? it seems to me 6(but I could be wrong) soi
the duration I have changed in such a way that 80gradi 90 there are 120 points in pi?,almost 3 degrees,as had been suggested to me
the soi so that in the final part there are 120 points in the pi?(also qu? almost 3 degrees)
now not having in front of the map are not 100% sure but I recall having done so?
the car goes very well,like a 130hp even if the turbo I have given, 60, or 80 points,then a nonsense...
if all goes well I think that is so wrong the way to change not sar?,? while true that the sti diesel are strong also mapped from children
Hello sportknight, but which map are you referring to? The one I posted I or one of your own that you've changed? :confused:
Thanks
puntospeed1.3
08-01-2013, 13:14
6 maps should be, those 4 that has found sportknigth more one immediately before and one immediately after. of different sizes i.e. 10x10
sportknight
08-01-2013, 15:35
you are right bart,I was referring to the map that I made the last week of golf in this discussion
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?1626-Golf-2008-1-9-tdi-105cv-del-2008-un-aiutino-con-le-mappe
Hello sportknight..you're basically able to calcolarti how many degrees is open the injector and how much to inject???
sportknight
08-01-2013, 20:02
2284
these are the soi of a golf 105 tdi with dpf
I have changed for each curve from 80 to 90 degrees adding 120 points and the cio? almost 3 degrees
for calcolarmi the individual curves I started from the first that are easy to distinguish
sportknight
08-01-2013, 20:03
Hello sportknight..you're basically able to calcolarti how many degrees is open the injector and how much to inject???
munro not to overdo it,until a couple of days ago I had yet to understand what were some of the curves :D
are you sure that those maps are soi?? to me they seem to map duration or eoi....but I may be wrong....skills? the increases in the negative if there are values in the negative are maps duration
sportknight
08-01-2013, 20:19
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these are the duration,I see the first different from the other,I think it is a recovery..then there are 6...then the other 2...
I have changed only the 6 always with the same policy
sportknight
08-01-2013, 20:23
sorry munro,you said before that the soi have as bp, temperatures,right??in the first image called soi bp to 5000 and 90000 think they are the rpm and temperature no?
in the first jpeg I can not see the axes....
in the other images,call duration, I see that the axes will stop at 5000 and 6000 rpm respectively and iq.....
sportknight
08-01-2013, 20:39
and then? are or are not those maps to be involved?
however, the latter should be the eoi..because I see the curves that come bubbling to the top mark values that are negative that only the maps eoi have....
sportknight
08-01-2013, 21:48
there are others that could be of interest?
E92_mpower
08-01-2013, 21:58
discussion from the asylum....
only munro could open...:D:D:D:D
from a peek at this screen so you realize how much stuff c'? and the distinction that you make between maps soi and the duration that you can also call maps eoi...what? end of injection= end of injection..what for? I did not understand if the maps of the beginning of injection are more than 10,without counting all the other maps soi in the screen,because the duration are only 4??
ah..this is a file hexump of the audi a4 ecu edc16 as you can see in the screen...
http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/829/screenwinolsduration.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/screenwinolsduration.png/)
http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/14/screenwinolssoin10.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/screenwinolssoin10.png/)
http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/825/screenwinolssoilimitato.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/screenwinolssoilimitato.png/)
http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/32/screenwinolssoiprincipa.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/screenwinolssoiprincipa.png/)
*sportknight look at these screen so you realize how many maps there are....
read the maps on the display of the left...
2284queste are the soi of a golf 105 tdi with dpf
I have changed for each curve from 80 to 90 degrees adding 120 points and the cio? almost 3 degrees
for calcolarmi the individual curves I started from the first that are easy to distinguish
Before they go crazy, you can please tell me which values of conversion are you using on the axes?
Considering the plan 1D69B4:
The X-axis goes from 861 to 5000, then I guess they are the RPM --> coefficient of conversion = 1
The Y-axis goes from 3000 to 9000! What it should be, and that the coefficient of conversion used?
The Z-axis, say, be the degrees of advance: range from 950 to 1400! That coefficient used to convert them?
for the z-axis, the conversion should be made for 0,023437...then 1400 points are 32,8 angular degrees of opening..
for the y-axis that should be or iq or temp engine,I believe the most...the conversion factor and 0,010000....
p.s:to tell the truth bart I'm losing all my hair....
A question, probably stupid...
Does anyone know how is it managed, the injection pressure on this type of engine? It is purely mechanical, without any electronic control? If anyone has any documentation on this and wanted to post it, I would be grateful: I'd like to deepen my knowledge about it...
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?1842-service-vw-1-9-tdi-pd-edc15
Thanks munro! Interesting... :)
SandroMarciano
27-03-2013, 12:56
I open this discussion because? I wanted to sapene of pi? on these engines, in particular, I have in the workshop a tdi 3 cylinders. I have read I think all of what ? written in Italian on the internet in relation to these maps, I quote:
the maps that regulate the duration are 6, 2 of these are 10x10 and you will find one at the beginning and one at the end, I read that "they are at full load" but I don't know what it means.
the other 4 are for the 4 thresholds of temperature of the motor, from the pi? cold to the pi? hot.
then some of the other maps are an important part of the IS (injection start) that are 10 maps in a row without the axis shown, very strange why? should adjust the timing advance, fuel injection for? if I enter the conversion factor 0,023438, I observe that the values are completely unpacked (someone speaks of an offset). About IS I read that you change in the negative.
Someone can? confirm if there? that swap ? correct?
Thanks
SandroMarciano
27-03-2013, 13:10
edit I was wrong to write, IS not to rule the advance, but the angle of the beginning.
magi1984
27-03-2013, 13:39
full load means that the maps are used by the ecu when you crush a tablet of the accelerator pedal
sportknight
27-03-2013, 13:45
That the control unit mounts to the 3 cilibdri? Always bosch?
SandroMarciano
27-03-2013, 14:58
full load means that the maps are used by the ecu when you crush a tablet of the accelerator pedal
OK, and what I thought too, but doubt I are on the axis in which we find mg/strokes, as if that map to work in a different way... and then, however, I have never heard any other units that have maps that act at full load...
However, always edc15, classic 1.9 TDI engine that has power and torque to climb a cylinder...
puntospeed1.3
27-03-2013, 17:06
hello. duration 10 x 10 we are interested in ? the first in front of those 4. the other acts up to 2500 rpm. and is never touched is not needed
Defined at full load can be a confusing that the map is read tot. advance degree = start of injection. is read from the 25? degrees btdc on,then at high rpm.
Then it reads only the last boxes talking about the grid; on the 2.0 tdi barely the law q is the map why? stops at 25.4? the advance as limiter soi. and when the law has very low values and then at the top, a little diesel fuel and ends the thrust of the classic tdi.
the conversion factor is 0.023437 on edc16 while 0.023437 -78 on edc15 for the duration of the injection to the beginning of injection.
you will notice that increasing q is the map, the engine will start' to go strong to the high regimi. always read, to make it read better and understand how it works you have to do is log shipping monitoring advance btdc and duration of injection.
SandroMarciano
27-03-2013, 17:33
hello. duration 10 x 10 we are interested in ? the first in front of those 4. the other acts up to 2500 rpm. and is never touched is not needed
Defined at full load can be a confusing that the map is read tot. advance degree = start of injection. is read from the 25? degrees btdc on,then at high rpm.
Then it reads only the last boxes talking about the grid; on the 2.0 tdi barely the law q is the map why? stops at 25.4? the advance as limiter soi. and when the law has very low values and then at the top, a little diesel fuel and ends the thrust of the classic tdi.
the conversion factor is 0.023437 on edc16 while 0.023437 -78 on edc15 for the duration of the injection to the beginning of injection.
you will notice that increasing q is the map, the engine will start' to go strong to the high regimi. always read, to make it read better and understand how it works you have to do is log shipping monitoring advance btdc and duration of injection.
thank you very much, this is your only post that you have written you have taught me more? of all the discussions read all morning! Now ? all clear!
one thing I did not go back, but if you factor in 0.023437 (-78 offset) also applies to the duration does not return pi? nothing!
puntospeed1.3
27-03-2013, 17:44
no duration no
SandroMarciano
27-03-2013, 17:48
ok, then I confirm that ? all clear!
puntospeed1.3
27-03-2013, 18:14
I open this discussion because? I wanted to sapene of pi? on these engines, in particular, I have in the workshop a tdi 3 cylinders. I have read I think all of what ? written in Italian on the internet in relation to these maps, I quote:
the maps that regulate the duration are 6, 2 of these are 10x10 and you will find one at the beginning and one at the end, I read that "they are at full load" but I don't know what it means.
the other 4 are for the 4 thresholds of temperature of the motor, from the pi? cold to the pi? hot.
then some of the other maps are an important part of the IS (injection start) that are 10 maps in a row without the axis shown, very strange why? should adjust the timing advance, fuel injection for? if I enter the conversion factor 0,023438, I observe that the values are completely unpacked (someone speaks of an offset). About IS I read that you change in the negative.
Someone can? confirm if there? that swap ? correct?
Thanks
There are 9 or 10 maps advance soi. to 90 degrees, water is used the most recent map.
The other 4 maps duration are read on the basis of the degrees of the beginning of the advance.
I do not know with precision here is an EXAMPLE to understand the logic.
up to 10?btdc degrees law the first
up to 15?btdc the 2?to
up to 20?btdc the 3?to
up to 24?btdc the 4?to
then 25?btdc and then the 10 x10
of course, if increases in the advance start varies quite a bit as they are read
SandroMarciano
27-03-2013, 18:37
ok, so to make a mod linear ? well anyway to change all of the 4-5 duration, and the last advance, right?
SandroMarciano
27-03-2013, 19:10
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These could be limiters of the advance? there are a few others? then I asked if there is a limiter duration time will try? better in the map, I saw a straight line with a value of 1500punti, which, when multiplied by 0,023437 d? 35?.
puntospeed1.3
27-03-2013, 21:08
I can still see the images.
limiter duration does not exist, the most by ? more from life. always check with the log on this site may differ to some degree with the calculation.
the limiter advance is a bit after the advance, depending on the models. is set on 25-26 degrees; on gaps versions fap is to 27. looks like a advance curve.
you can only change the duration of 2 , 1, and the last is not usually needed to lengthen the injection of the low travel. if known duration 3 and 4 have values much more downs. if you want to tap tap only on the last 2, 3 columns that you will feel when even from low revs put it all down.
puntospeed1.3
27-03-2013, 21:13
I would add that if you edit with ecm durations, you'll be a little bad, because when you save, makes you copy the increments of duration(boostxrpm 1) on all 4 corners the same. so you can smoke for nothing and seghettare
MisterKappa
03-04-2013, 11:35
They are very interested as well I this discussion..
meanwhile, I read a good topic :)
Cristiano75
10-04-2013, 02:03
To change the ecm, I do it both in tabular and in 2d and not v? n? point n? in a percentage.
The map of SOI 10 on the basis of the engine temperature is selected, the corresponding map which, in turn, on the basis of the advance will be? the selected map injection 1 of 6......the switch is located at the end of the injection maps....
The ecu edc15p ? "calibrated" to give values in diagnosis of up to 70mg, more than you have to sbloccarla.......... as well as the MAF that d? as the value 1249,5.. but could reach up to 1850mg about if I'm not mistaken.. so? ? the detailed objective of the turbo and the channel of the pair... fixed in gold at 421Nm....
To feel the extension ? well you manage the n75 senn? do you feel that the machine part of the shot then the walls subito.........
Cristiano75
10-04-2013, 02:05
ah, I forgot, for each change in the grid ? well update the break........
puntospeed1.3
10-04-2013, 02:24
manage the n75? how do you plan to increase the values?
if you do not change the break? I have noticed that the increase takes the same
MisterKappa
10-04-2013, 09:27
That is the n75? the NOS ?
:D
The N75 ? the solenoid valve that operates the actuator of the wastegate or variable geometry, depending on the type of turbocharger.
It is also called "pierburg".
Cristiano75
10-04-2013, 10:35
manage the n75? how do you plan to increase the values?
if you do not change the break? I have noticed that the increase takes the same
The n75 ? the map that the ecm defines the time of an overboost.
watch it in 2d x understand how moddarla and remember that in the maps of the tdi in the areas of the table where the ecu does not use often the values are set l? so.. as a fill...
MisterKappa
10-04-2013, 10:47
Great cristiano75, thanks .. apparently do you know about quuesti engines eh ;)
Anyway, as far as I think I understand, for a mapping is not exaggerated enough to modify the maps in the drivers of the ecm..
The injections parzializzate, limiters, torque, and turbo, and maybe a small increase in pressure (which here are some of the increase in the same manner on the entire table, some others do it as a percentage.. )
The advances in touch if you claim a bit more, no ?
Cristiano75
10-04-2013, 12:13
Great cristiano75, thanks .. apparently do you know about quuesti engines eh ;)
Anyway, as far as I think I understand, for a mapping is not exaggerated enough to modify the maps in the drivers of the ecm..
The injections parzializzate, limiters, torque, and turbo, and maybe a small increase in pressure (which here are some of the increase in the same manner on the entire table, some others do it as a percentage.. )
The advances in touch if you claim a bit more, no ?
depends on which engine you have moddare.... for some just a little, x other changes are a p? pi? deep.... anyway... the ecm does not contain all the maps management of the range diesel, turbo.
advances even mentions them........
depends on the ecu that the engine runs... the end result ? always the same factor power torque, a 130hp seat skoda vw-audi have "adjustment" different...... and have different behaviour...
Cristiano75
10-04-2013, 12:23
Ah, for the times of injection x to see that the work done ? + or - discrete can you do a test.....
Full to the brim of the cap of the tank and reset the part of the on-board computer with a value of 2 (the golf has a 2, the first after 2 hours of stop azerra and the 2 reset after 100h or after 10,000 km), x, who had in the tacho and camminateci up to empty it, then redo the full as before, and let (km partial) / (liters diesel pump)...
I will give you? the average km/l, and then compare it with the value given by vs on-board computer. the result will be? 2 different values to km/l between the pump and your tacho.
then do the km/l (on-board computer) / km/l (km/l calculated at the pump) x 100 - 100 = sar Value? the difference in + or - in %value.
this calculation do with the ecu version of the ORI in MODDATA from you.... the higher? the gap, the greater ? the error that you make in the calcolrare injection times.....
Ah, for the times of injection x to see that the work done ? + or - discrete can you do a test.....
Full to the brim of the cap of the tank and reset the part of the on-board computer with a value of 2 (the golf has a 2, the first after 2 hours of stop azerra and the 2 reset after 100h or after 10,000 km), x, who had in the tacho and camminateci up to empty it, then redo the full as before, and let (km partial) / (liters diesel pump)...
I will give you? the average km/l, and then compare it with the value given by vs on-board computer. the result will be? 2 different values to km/l between the pump and your tacho.
then do the km/l (on-board computer) / km/l (km/l calculated at the pump) x 100 - 100 = sar Value? the difference in + or - in %value.
this calculation do with the ecu version of the ORI in MODDATA from you.... the higher? the gap, the greater ? the error that you make in the calcolrare injection times.....
So to make a 4 - 5 tests you need to do five full of diesel;)
puntospeed1.3
10-04-2013, 12:50
The n75 ? the map that the ecm defines the time of an overboost.
watch it in 2d x understand how moddarla and remember that in the maps of the tdi in the areas of the table where the ecu does not use often the values are set l? so.. as a fill...
ok.
I've tried to change.
the edc 16 if you get them up to increase the pressure. should be the percentage of the duty cycle, the values reported by checking with the vag.
I have noticed that if you touch them around 2000 to 2500 rpm , add in the injection times those rides modified, is large spikes in the turbine. in fact, in the next tests I put them gold and recommend them to increase a bit around 3500 4000 to keep a little more stable that also collapses if you increase the map turbo
MisterKappa
10-04-2013, 12:56
Soon I get the MPPS.. I can't wait to start making experiments..
But it will be better to aspect that is hot to start to make the scriptures..
So at least if inchiodo all I'm going to work with the scuter :D
Cristiano75
10-04-2013, 13:18
if you want to be fussy 100 full.....
Even the gap varies, if you put diesel normal with that blue, diesel, or other......
cmq ? the only a rough way to figure out if the work you do you are in the right path...
I at the beginning I was passed by an error of 3.5% in version ori a +5/6%... after you figured out how you modda now son or a +1/1.5%..with the egr closed, not bad if you consider the variables of error that can? commit the ecu and even small calculations made in-house from vw and from the few boxes that make up the injection times.... the ecu must interpolate the times when needed a flow rate between is between a value and the next (in + or in -), the greater ? the increased jump you riveler? the error....
In edc16 often times x changes the stock is no need to touch.......
In the tdi depends.. there are maps that are as a limiter that should make reference to the pid of the crowd.. if you give too much fuel and the ecu retards the management of the vgt do piccate stratospheric.. and often it also happens that skip the turbo compressor side.......
puntospeed1.3
10-04-2013, 13:31
well if I want to inject enough more in the 75 mg and 80 I have to tap.
anyway, for the peak I ruler giving less fuel, as a limit, there is the clutch that is to low, I can't overdo it
the atypical ? on the 3,800 to 4,000 rpm that I'm at 1.3 bar fixed I would like to do a test to 1.5 bar increasing in the area, the time of an overboost then let it drop anyway.
? an a3 140 bhp mounts a 1749va not, you can turn to 1.7 fixed
Ah, for the times of injection x to see that the work done ? + or - discrete can you do a test.....
Full to the brim of the cap of the tank and reset the part of the on-board computer with a value of 2 (the golf has a 2, the first after 2 hours of stop azerra and the 2 reset after 100h or after 10,000 km), x, who had in the tacho and camminateci up to empty it, then redo the full as before, and let (km partial) / (liters diesel pump)...
I will give you? the average km/l, and then compare it with the value given by vs on-board computer. the result will be? 2 different values to km/l between the pump and your tacho.
then do the km/l (on-board computer) / km/l (km/l calculated at the pump) x 100 - 100 = sar Value? the difference in + or - in %value.
this calculation do with the ecu version of the ORI in MODDATA from you.... the higher? the gap, the greater ? the error that you make in the calcolrare injection times.....
hello cristiano75...kindly can you explain this procedure you mentioned, what would be the use for the purposes of a calculation of the duration tdi??
thanks in advance for your response..
Cristiano75
10-04-2013, 23:27
hello cristiano75...kindly can you explain this procedure you mentioned, what would be the use for the purposes of a calculation of the duration tdi??
thanks in advance for your response..
the duration that did not go I noticed is why? he smoked the machine, but this may have? also be caused by other factors, but above all, I realized that the computer board had increased the error in the calculation of consumption.
the calculation ? very simple.
I do the first fill-up on the edge of the cap of diesel in the tanks of the vw group-audi, filling the room with air one ? communicating with the valve vent near the cap......
Azzerro the on-board computer, (I azzerro both the one with the number 1 or with number 2). Early adapters. to use the machine normally until the reserve, then return to do the full tank of fuel, bringing the ****llo is always up to the edge of the cap and filling the room as above, and at this point I see the meter of the pump to that mark.
I make an example with the numbers now ? + clear:
The on-board computer indicates the last reset es 1247km consumption, average 19.6 km/l (I have the japanese encoding) if you have the european one, you will have 5.1 l/100km. the pump indicates a provision of 64.28 L.
At this point you need to do 1247km/64.28 L=19.40 km/l (this ? the average mileage of your car refers to the pump (the pump has a tolerance of error is very low-about %1000 for which you could define almost exact)
The on-board computer instead of 5.1 l x 100km =19.6 km/l
At this point you make 100-[(19.4/19.6)*100]= +1.02% This ? the difference between the calculated consumption from vs on-board computer and the actual, in fact, if you do 19.4+1.02%=19.6 km/l
If you do the test by changing the table values x to be construed without changing their break and redo the full and the final calculation you will find that the vs on-board computer to the avr? a deviation of nn sar? +1.02% + up or + down based on the error that you have committed....
Cristiano75
10-04-2013, 23:42
well if I want to inject enough more in the 75 mg and 80 I have to tap.
anyway, for the peak I ruler giving less fuel, as a limit, there is the clutch that is to low, I can't overdo it
the atypical ? on the 3,800 to 4,000 rpm that I'm at 1.3 bar fixed I would like to do a test to 1.5 bar increasing in the area, the time of an overboost then let it drop anyway.
? an a3 140 bhp mounts a 1749va not, you can turn to 1.7 fixed
Be careful to increase the time to an overboost........ the bang could be just around the corner......
Diesel sends to you in an overboost the crowd.... nn if you adjust the vgt..... Then as I have already? said.... if it does not vent..... ? as a cap... walls...... ? diesel f? the cv and not the prex turbo....
The prex turbo serves the right to maintain an afr that the car is not a titanic with the wheels..... then you see yourself..... the turbines if purchased outside of italy do not cost a blunder.. can you? try to do any test.....
Apart from the clutch I don't know if work..... I have a golf 130hp I replaced the intercooler with 1 chinese, and the related pipe 57mm (ori you ? opened in the mid -?), the pancake that of the 1.8 t, map, filter, k&n, deleted the MAF and the Kat.. I 42kg/m 2100gg and between 1800 and 2800 falls below 40 kg/m, and arrives at 183cv to 4330 rpm....
puntospeed1.3
11-04-2013, 00:14
Be careful to increase the time to an overboost........ the bang could be just around the corner......
Diesel sends to you in an overboost the crowd.... nn if you adjust the vgt..... Then as I have already? said.... if it does not vent..... ? as a cap... walls...... ? diesel f? the cv and not the prex turbo....
The prex turbo serves the right to maintain an afr that the car is not a titanic with the wheels..... then you see yourself..... the turbines if purchased outside of italy do not cost a blunder.. can you? try to do any test.....
Apart from the clutch I don't know if work..... I have a golf 130hp I replaced the intercooler with 1 chinese, and the related pipe 57mm (ori you ? opened in the mid -?), the pancake that of the 1.8 t, map, filter, k&n, deleted the MAF and the Kat.. I 42kg/m 2100gg and between 1800 and 2800 falls below 40 kg/m, and arrives at 183cv to 4330 rpm....
to give vent to vent, for now,at 2500 rpm boosta 1.7 bar 3400 I 1.5 bar 3800 1.3 bar at 4200 1.2 bar
duration I set 77mg and smokes a bit, but nothing out of the ordinary
I'll try to put more diesel around from 3000 to 4000.
however, already walking
Cristiano75
11-04-2013, 00:54
to give vent to vent, for now,at 2500 rpm boosta 1.7 bar 3400 I 1.5 bar 3800 1.3 bar at 4200 1.2 bar
duration I set 77mg and smokes a bit, but nothing out of the ordinary
I'll try to put more diesel around from 3000 to 4000.
however, already walking
My that I had set the prex to 1.55 bar, arrived at 1.68 and did not want to get off.... now always with a 1,55 bar gets if from the gas 0-100 hit the max 1,60 x for a moment and then stabilize, 1.55 bar...
skatalizzala and filter k&n gi? you'll see that things will go? the better the high......
check the time why? with 1.7 bar with a afr of 16.5 you can inject 76mg almost without smoke.... the cloud ? adjust, if f? a lot of perhaps you missed something...
puntospeed1.3
11-04-2013, 01:06
you I also set on the pressure limiter 1.55 or 1.6. but pike 1.7 even 1.8 with the 5?
the filter already c'? sprintfilter panel.
actually with 75 mg does not smoke, if not some puffed, as I go over with the diesel begins to see, on the contrary, with 77mg more I go faster the more the bubble remains attached to the tailgate and I don't leave trails of black.
anyway, the extension is not missing I'll try to put more flesh on the 3500 3800 so I can use the gear change, and how you tell me to try to put the timing of an overboost original.
but seeing some of the maps of n75 your 130hp, the ec already more closed the palette after the 3500giri of tdi 140.
Cristiano75
11-04-2013, 01:27
the table values depends on the diesel (the break), the type of turbine that c'? below gt1749v there are a myriad... line intercooler.... from pid.....
you do realize that the 150 hp has the vgt at some points in the 30% + closed my......
the n75 ? a key point is the x-feel the break....... see you.. with the advances changes the power delivery of the engine.. I feel the turns.... but as everything is on the right.. too much of a good thing.....
puntospeed1.3
11-04-2013, 01:51
with the advances I tried. below takes all the strength that you want ? changes to noise, but if you misjudge it to rpm higher does not stretch much.
the turbine ? the same 1749va.
I have a file of a golf 130 977-272 the map n75 ? nearly identical then 3500 in the last column there are differences in the 1000-1500 points.
log from ori at 4200 to 1 bar low, and then decreases again. even now, you download as much. that pressure you have from 3500 to 4500 5000 rpm from the log?
Cristiano75
11-04-2013, 05:21
with the advances I tried. below takes all the strength that you want ? changes to noise, but if you misjudge it to rpm higher does not stretch much.
the turbine ? the same 1749va.
I have a file of a golf 130 977-272 the map n75 ? nearly identical then 3500 in the last column there are differences in the 1000-1500 points.
log from ori at 4200 to 1 bar low, and then decreases again. even now, you download as much. that pressure you have from 3500 to 4500 5000 rpm from the log?
what do you have ? my ECU ori. I have constant 1,55 bar up to 4000 rpm, then down to 1.40 bar if no erro at 4500 rpm....
Cristiano75
11-04-2013, 05:28
The limiter speed? have you removed?
SandroMarciano
11-04-2013, 07:59
Congratulations to both, the ****llo discussion ? jacked up!
I wanted to make just an observation: so the duration without altering the "q".the. read from the ECU you could turn the duration in degrees duration in the us, at this point it would suffice to increase the percentage. Unfortunately, the pressure of the fuel on a PD you don't ? stable, for which the calculation would be approximate...
MisterKappa
11-04-2013, 09:28
I see that both matched the air filter..
It's worth the time, or only on calculations of thrust ?
sportknight
11-04-2013, 09:47
The air filter already in the original car improves a little
Cristiano75
11-04-2013, 14:33
I see that both matched the air filter..
It's worth the time, or only on calculations of thrust ?
The air filter pi? permeable helps the turbine to work a prex is a p? + high..... creating less pressure depression upstream of the compressor...
MisterKappa
11-04-2013, 15:00
Good to know ;)
puntospeed1.3
11-04-2013, 18:44
what do you have ? my ECU ori. I have constant 1,55 bar up to 4000 rpm, then down to 1.40 bar if no erro at 4500 rpm....
well, you are the most high to me as the pressure in the power range.
we have the same turbine 1749va you had never probelmi?
then I'm gonna have to raise the n75 as I thought I'd do a bit.
if I lift the map turbo, nothing happens. you raise only the boost presssure request in the channel(vag com)while the actual pressure does not raise, then chiudero some of the palettes.
the limiter I removed it
as you advance, I have 1 degree on the rpm high type 4800 5000 and 2 degrees on the 3500 3800 4000
more than 2 degrees it seems to me that the walls from the evidence. to mention that the 140 has less of advance compared to the 130 has several 465cc injectors against 550cc with 6 holes spray better. you-how much have you driven?
Cristiano75
11-04-2013, 20:24
well, you are the most high to me as the pressure in the power range.
we have the same turbine 1749va you had never probelmi?
then I'm gonna have to raise the n75 as I thought I'd do a bit.
if I lift the map turbo, nothing happens. you raise only the boost presssure request in the channel(vag com)while the actual pressure does not raise, then chiudero some of the palettes.
the limiter I removed it
as you advance, I have 1 degree on the rpm high type 4800 5000 and 2 degrees on the 3500 3800 4000
more than 2 degrees it seems to me that the walls from the evidence. to mention that the 140 has less of advance compared to the 130 has several 465cc injectors against 550cc with 6 holes spray better. you-how much have you driven?
The n75 has decreases, until at certain points of -20% .... I moddato a map should refer to the pid management of geometry, why? before I had 1,68 bar and there was to lower it... now I can but it's going beyond the 1.60 bar... piccate 1.62 are sporadic....
Advances, it depends on the diesel.... if a degree corresponds to 43 points are a maximum of 1.5 degrees..... depends on the scope....
Without the limiter as it reaches the machine now??
Have you removed from the map or tour with the bdm...?
puntospeed1.3
11-04-2013, 20:53
The n75 has decreases, until at certain points of -20% .... I moddato a map should refer to the pid management of geometry, why? before I had 1,68 bar and there was to lower it... now I can but it's going beyond the 1.60 bar... piccate 1.62 are sporadic....
Advances, it depends on the diesel.... if a degree corresponds to 43 points are a maximum of 1.5 degrees..... depends on the scope....
Without the limiter as it reaches the machine now??
Have you removed from the map or tour with the bdm...?
exceeds 230 on the track then I never went over until the end.
from the map.
it is 1 degree 43 - 44 points.
the decreases I bet they're on the low 2000 up to 2600 rpm.
the pid honestly I don't know how they are made, I lost a lot of time to search for them but they will be close to the time of boost?
Cristiano75
11-04-2013, 21:15
exceeds 230 on the track then I never went over until the end.
from the map.
it is 1 degree 43 - 44 points.
the decreases I bet they're on the low 2000 up to 2600 rpm.
the pid honestly I don't know how they are made, I lost a lot of time to search for them but they will be close to the time of boost?
My I don't know what it does.....
Glia nticipi ec I have them on all the arc of the turns, from about 1700, but it depends on the flow.. that ori did not decrease, those over I modd 2 break, and I have given the advance above....
? as if I had shrunk the map ori x make space for the mod that helped me get the power fixed....
but the turbine does not do work to that prex... senn? sooner or later, you know bang to? my.. are over 300,000 km....
Be careful if you're close too the vgt you may have a oil consumption....
puntospeed1.3
11-04-2013, 22:08
okay thanks for the tips. but the advance you gave 1.5 degree to the whole curve, or only the brek of the highest corresponding to the time recalculated?
Cristiano75
11-04-2013, 22:40
okay thanks for the tips. but the advance you gave 1.5 degree to the whole curve, or only the brek of the highest corresponding to the time recalculated?
advances the data only to break updated x diesel fuel required in the map
I had given advances even from 2000 rpm and up on any map of 1/4 of a degree... and you felt the difference..? at the time x this full of diesel I due take off.. I rimetter? the prox full...
Just a little, and the machine can you feel that changes.... but if you exceed just the feel the same way.....in the negative....
Cristiano75
11-04-2013, 22:40
what year was it ? your machine?? how many km have you done to us??
puntospeed1.3
11-04-2013, 22:43
and an a3 2.0 140cv 2008 125.000 km map 50 000 but first a few things.
Cristiano75
11-04-2013, 22:57
with skat and filter arrivals to 190hp.....
If you replace the multitude with a gt1756vk arrivals to share 220hp
Cristiano75
11-04-2013, 22:59
and an a3 2.0 140cv 2008 125.000 km map 50 000 but first a few things.
Your engine should be without problems.. let's say the release... ;)
The first had a problem with the heads.... your how to start ? instant or you ? place the usually known issue...??
puntospeed1.3
11-04-2013, 23:25
Your engine should be without problems.. let's say the release... ;)
The first had a problem with the heads.... your how to start ? instant or you ? place the usually known issue...??
I will explain to you the machine ? one of my close friend and we do the tests together.
aime' even if free has had a problem with the head on the 80 90.000, now replaced with the code 308c that without problems.
warm start is always ok, even if the correct advance in the map.
MisterKappa
12-04-2013, 00:10
What you get by staying quiet ?
Cristiano75
12-04-2013, 02:17
What you get by staying quiet ?
with 1,55 bar Skat and filter, you should reach the 190cv with 420Nm of torque....
MisterKappa
12-04-2013, 11:20
Kill !
Then twined himself the flywheel I know' :D
Cristiano75
12-04-2013, 13:10
Kill !
Then twined himself the flywheel I know' :D
If the fuel and timing does not vibrate nothing.... and the part from the bottom pull......
For the time to calculate them nn ? difficult.....
You have the advantage of intercooler front..... x a good increase in power you're quiet....
msport (exil77grande)
13-04-2013, 18:36
with skat and filter arrivals to 190hp.....
If you replace the multitude with a gt1756vk arrivals to share 220hp
50cv only map,a catalyst and a filter? they are a little too much? you rolled?
Cristiano75
13-04-2013, 19:23
50cv only map,a catalyst and a filter? they are a little too much? you rolled?
I tried it on my car the skat and filter k&n, with i lead.... I think that even with the a3 because? no...
angelolsp
23-09-2013, 17:14
I want to brush up on this discussion by talking always about the duration...in this case I would like to calcolarmi the duration of a 150 hp edc15p have x 75 mg of diesel
angelolsp
23-09-2013, 17:21
then the first question I have for example, if the breaks are 60 mg with 28? duration for iniettarne more I change only the degrees of duration by last more l injection, but the ecu always thinks that he is injecting 60 mg?
angelolsp
23-09-2013, 17:33
other thing if the soi start at 28? and my eoi modified end up to 36? inquire to inject up to + 8? from the pms, the ke can cause excessive smoke; hence...then change the soi to have an injection perfect cieo right +o - 0? from the pms you can do? by modifying the lim soi..or not we can move to many degrees with the soi? sorry for the stupid questions but I'm starting to study now before I studied the maps essential...
angelolsp
23-09-2013, 17:43
then I made a sort of proportions if for example, I've 60 mg to 5000 rpm, with duration of 28? to get 75 mg at 5000 rpm, how many degrees do I have?
60:28=75:xx
(75x28)/60= 35? then I would only need to increase the duration to 5000 rounds of 7? without informing the controller that we are injecting 75 and so on with a 4500 rpm 3000 rpm ect...am I doing something wrong?
Cristiano75
23-09-2013, 23:02
other thing if the soi start at 28? and my eoi modified end up to 36? inquire to inject up to + 8? from the pms, the ke can cause excessive smoke; hence...then change the soi to have an injection perfect cieo right +o - 0? from the pms you can do? by modifying the lim soi..or not we can move to many degrees with the soi? sorry for the stupid questions but I'm starting to study now before I studied the maps essential...
Hello angelolsp, the injections end up more than the pms, and you could make them get even up to +10?, the maximum yield of motor do you have on the 13? and the 17? ldcs usually take into account the 17?...
The advances are not always proportional.....
X the time update the first 5 maps of the times to mg that you have as a goal. The ecu ? "calibrated" x give the diagnosis to the max 70mg, no if slocchi the ecu, as for the maf 1249,5 how to x the prex objective 2601, prex turbo 2983, max torque 420nm and cos? via....
a file to find out you could have I asked too much of it?
also only addresses should be good....
angelolsp
24-09-2013, 16:39
Then the file and this is a leon 8v 1? series
Christian I did not understand cpsa do you mean on the 13th? or 17? which is the better engine ec l I at 17? after the pms?? surely I am understanding evil from the diagnosis I can not check x this I don't know how I am injecting of precise I gia moddato all the maps essential...and then you tell me to update l ecu up to 75 mg in this case...the other a liver lim fumes the ccoppia are always only x diagnosis, or the machine will not give, for example, more than 420 nm,... instead of x as regards svbl leaving him to 2620 seen ke I would not exceed 1.6 bar fixed...but the peak can pass it? Now I update the break duration and I will see
I have to also upgrade the rpm? because I'm pulling up to 5500 and the break stop at 5000... another thing if I can figure it cwith the aspect ratio as I do, then d exactly?
instead, they speak of the soi, how much can I anticipate to keep me more close as possible to the pms?
the last 2 maps those ke have the break 0-2500 rpm and 30 mg and the other 2500-4500 rpm and 40 mg you feel it too?
it can go so the break is set to 75 mg? or do I need to increase it from 0 mg
puntospeed1.3
25-09-2013, 16:22
I still can't see the file for the message limit.
I believe that it refers to 13? after the pms.
the durations are 5 maps, plus that is just before. watch the breakponit and recognize. the last not the tap is not needed. works to bassisimi rpm. You can also tap only 3.
however, I can tell you that if you misjudge it with diesel to low, even if the svbl remains at 2620 the peak passes easily, up to 2 bar peak.
for the soi, don't overdo it or better not to touch them if you don't monitor with the vag. It takes 1 - 1.5 degrees on the turns high to burn better, but the first system, the durations. if you exaggerate the machine city walls slow and urge the cylinder head etc.
angelolsp
25-09-2013, 16:27
then you know the first map duration, which, however, by break me from 55 mg, not 60 like the others... then c and the one that works up to 2500 rpm you say you are not touching it... I don't think he was referring to 13 or even 17? after the pms ... square kilometres from the calculations ke I'm doing dovreia rrivare to have the duratio of 36? so I'm thinking I'll tap the soi only where I increased most of the diesel to give a 2? to 2800 up to 3800 x to get to a max of 5000 what do you think?....last ccosa if I touch the soi by 60? tem up to 90? before 60? lcioe with the car cold there will be no advance payments, no? but instead we saranoo the same as the duration of 36?? a way to preserve the machine cold more ke other
puntospeed1.3
25-09-2013, 16:51
for the soi, 60 degrees, it seems to me far too cold, usually you tap the last 2 - 3 maps from 70 degrees, or only that of 90 degrees.
cold does not pull.
For the advance. the speech that you say ? for you to try. I made a similar map on a 140cv bkd giving advance on low and less on high rpm, I got a great boost of the turbo with a consequent slippage in the clutch.
now I would try it only on the last few laps and not more than a degree is 1.5. I fear that the low rpm high IQ too early face as a brake. while you can give it in the lower part of the rpm to lower IQ where ? delayed specifically for emissions and noise. if you open the map co winols you notice how there is a delay to the low. remember that each 43 - 44 points ? a degree on the tdi, but to increase you must decrease on the map, this on the edc15. but first you have to inettare a while so I suggest you leave it in the ultimostep.
angelolsp
25-09-2013, 17:00
I can't seem to release winols I'm using vag suite edc15 as a guide..x the clutch childbirth in fact, the increases in the highest from 2500 rpm and sq, we have mounted a clutch semisportiva
puntospeed1.3
25-09-2013, 17:00
[QUOTE=angelolsp;60075]then you know the first map duration, which, however, to break me from 55 mg not 60 like the other...
yes, you're right. that is read after the 22-25? degrees the soi, then on the 4000 up to 4500 up to 5000 and beyond. this map is not to overdo it with the diesel. so those rides need less fuel. and the turbo pressure will decrease so you can increase it to 65mg and then check from the log how much you inject
puntospeed1.3
25-09-2013, 17:05
I can't seem to release winols I'm using vag suite edc15 as a guide..x the clutch childbirth in fact, the increases in the highest from 2500 rpm and sq, we have mounted a clutch semisportiva
however, since the soi are maps of calibration for the injectors and vary from car to car for different injectors according to the size , not increasing, and that make you improve more and increase many bars in the combustion chamber. so after that inetterai enough to touch them only to the high, and little.
angelolsp
25-09-2013, 17:05
ok tonight full x duration, and then if you like you can have a look at and after step to the advance
angelolsp
25-09-2013, 17:12
instead, I wanted to chiederi other thing I noticed on the injectors pump especially cold-ke beat by ori at a minimum you risuluta?
puntospeed1.3
25-09-2013, 17:16
it depends... they are noisy and cold are not of the common rail.
angelolsp
25-09-2013, 17:43
but you could fix posticipandola a little cold in the map? what do you think?
angelolsp
25-09-2013, 19:32
OK, I've finished the file with the duration refreshed and break even...now I only have the advances perhe for now, I am I l iniezzione in some cases to + 10? from the pms I would like to avviccinarmi
angelolsp
25-09-2013, 19:41
here it is.....
puntospeed1.3
25-09-2013, 20:19
according to me wrong to calculate the durations. are increments high.
if you need to switch (es) 55 60 65 65 70 75 how do you do?
you have to copy the values of the original 65 on the 55 in the first place. then there revenues other.
or make a proportion, or from the (value of 65 - 60 value)= difference, and the chief of 65 and you get 70. if you want to 75 multiply by 2 the increments.
angelolsp
26-09-2013, 02:55
I stopped to 60 from 60 to 75 I obtained with the method of the proprorzioni ke you posted you.. I have seen, however, different online maps and already with 72 or 70 of them had duration 36gradi...even at the beginning of the post, however, cicxiogsr asked munro as injected with 5gradi more and was more or less 10mg plus I'm injecting 15 and more or menosono with 6 degrees max 7 in some extra points
puntospeed1.3
26-09-2013, 16:40
ok I riguradato the calculations and I figured it out. then there is a map that you've given the 27% who do not know what it is after the injection maps.
the an overboost return it ori. have you decreased that way, but a few points better the original.
the bp of the limit torque works for you so at 5500? i.e. we get to those rides thanks to the change?
I don't like the torque limiter. diminuiscilo a little to high all set to 80mg does not make sense if you even ask them. put it to 75mg and then type 4200 today it begins a decline in the diesel fuel, some arriving at 5200 I don't know how much air you have, but I think 60mg less all you need to 5200giri, so after 4000 rpm the power you made it and with the turbine original if you leave them at 75 mg up to the limiter, I don't imagine the smoke.
angelolsp
27-09-2013, 01:51
And calibrated everything to 75 mg..limiters are made to the team and the machine comes to us tranquillamenteva 5500 and and enters the litatore just don't feel it shoot because we get no oil instead as I read the machine shoots that is prrr when it comes to power to the limiter ke at the end I will use x for the first 2 gears then after there arrival change before...x the geometry nn I would like to have piccate how can I do it? I have not yet mounted the gauge and I can monitor it...the map to the 27x cent vag suite the kiama correction l I increased x get it to 75 mg anke her..
angelolsp
27-09-2013, 16:18
Then x maps soi just touch the ones from the 70's? then I'm trying by 2800 with 2.5? and stopover up to almost a degree at 5000 rpm....do I need to update the break from 60 them step at 75 mg or not c and need the anticiper? the same?
puntospeed1.3
27-09-2013, 17:57
but it makes you so much smoke ? from 1 degree to the last bp of the last 2 curves and see what you change to high.
for the advance to the midrange if someone of the forum to intervene in order to give opinions if anyone has tried it with the results... no, not raising them go more.
angelolsp
28-09-2013, 11:47
then the machine goes ke and a bomb it 2 degrees to the medium until you get to a degree to the last brak point...yesterday 147 mapped if not they removed the bumper and jumped...then a 3 series coupe 177 original pero went to 160 and up to 200 passed c were 50 metres away...only cwith a leon with scaricco and filter and map 0-1000 metres and came forward almost 2 machines...
msport (exil77grande)
28-09-2013, 16:58
then the machine goes ke and a bomb it 2 degrees to the medium until you get to a degree to the last brak point...yesterday 147 mapped if not they removed the bumper and jumped...then a 3 series coupe 177 original pero went to 160 and up to 200 passed c were 50 metres away...only cwith a leon with scaricco and filter and map 0-1000 metres and came forward almost 2 machines...
exhaust and filter on that car for me, not text or had other things that you do not know or was it the top of the map.
puntospeed1.3
28-09-2013, 21:04
then the machine goes ke and a bomb it 2 degrees to the medium until you get to a degree to the last brak point...yesterday 147 mapped if not they removed the bumper and jumped...then a 3 series coupe 177 original pero went to 160 and up to 200 passed c were 50 metres away...only cwith a leon with scaricco and filter and map 0-1000 metres and came forward almost 2 machines...
ok.
to smoke, as you put it? if you go strong make a video on the track.
comnuque and time of the log with vag the car but he won't understand what is going on
angelolsp
29-09-2013, 13:57
Frankly, I believe ke was a little on the top of the map definitely run the highest pressure...is the rino machine daniel, who already has made a pair, and surely he knows better than me..about the smoke, it does just the pedal and everything down to the most high... unfortunately I still can't vaggarla... today I had a leon 110 1.2 prex and 55 mg of diesel fuel required and came cute...with advances stock
video...video...video...:cool:
puntospeed1.3
29-09-2013, 15:19
and but the vag ? fundamental.... otherwise, can you say pressure tot fuel tot.... but in reality it happen with other things
and but the vag ? fundamental.... otherwise, can you say pressure tot fuel tot.... but in reality it happen with other things
and true...? it was said that if you don't "unlock" the ecu into diagnosis vedrano values only up to a certain point....
diesel max 70mg...
air max tot mg...
and so on...
angelolsp
29-09-2013, 17:48
in fact, as from vag I can not see more than 70 mg I am mounting the pressure gauge x press the prex is under control..
puntospeed1.3
29-09-2013, 19:03
you are right... ce hack from the map. the press turbo I unlocked on edc16u31 but for the mg I can not... but at least I look at duration and advance if they correspond to what I write in the map, why me ? happened that the values that I mailed do not match on all the cars with the conversion factor 0.023437.
angelolsp
30-09-2013, 01:13
But kmq I have used both this conversion factor ke, however, get the value ke c, and the split x 43 points and more or less see if you match both ways
SantaCruz23
31-05-2014, 18:47
guys, none of you have worked with the release of the values in the diagnosis of, 3-cylinder, 1,4 pd?
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