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Tonight I decided to go from theory to practice, and since it's been a long time a friend asks me to mappargli the van, I decided to give him the gift of Christmas! :)
Cos? tonight I have abandoned (but only temporarily) my beloved EDC15 and I ventured into the EDC16! Not happy, just to add more difficulty, I decided to venture with WinOls.
I have to say that to me were two news?, then the avr? surely some bischerata...
I'm attaching the original map and the edited one:
No Damos or other help, for now I am limited to the Driver's Wish, the torque limiter and the map turbo.
The friend would like sopratturo reduce fuel consumption, but knowing him well, I know that you would like to go even a strong one, so I tried to change accordingly...
I would like to know how you think, what you've done, where I have gone wrong or exaggerated, and what I forgot...
Thanks in advance who will take? join the discussion and sopratturo who to take? help me... :)
msport (exil77grande)
12-12-2012, 09:01
no, we did not fully maps the driver's wish are badly made all different increments also negative, etc, etc,the turbo pressure increment can go even if it's too busted but I see them increases negative then from the review,the torque limiter can go, but you left too soon.
no, we did not fully maps the driver's wish are badly made all different increments also negative, etc, etc...
Hello msport, thanks for the reply! :)
If you like, I would like to try to understand more?... :)
Regarding the maps, DW, I found 3 different: the first is repeated 4 times, the second one 3 times and the third only, for a total of 8 maps pedal. I tried to respect them (imagining that they will be used in different conditions), considering the three different, intervening, and then individually and in a targeted manner on each, and then doing a copy paste of changes in each of the 3 on their respective pairs.
I have since then increases in proportion to the us? I thought that their function was to map 1 and 3 (and a couple in the glue on the maps repeated the same in the original) and I left unchanged the second (and its identical pairs) why? I thought that it would serve as to as ? made, it seems to me a map that can be used in standard conditions....
Here it seems that my reasoning, functions, or are totally out of the way? :)
With regard to the gains, remaining on the maps peale, I with WinOls I see all of them positive value: from a few tenths up to a dozen points in the maximum value. Does not show me any point with a value less than the original...
Also, in what sense do you say that there are: too high? I have to give less?
...the turbo pressure increment can go even if it's too busted but I see them increases the negative and then review...
With regard to the map of the turbo, why? you say be too busted? I have changed in an area too small?
Also in this case, as for the DW, I found 3 maps repeated, and I intervened, using the same reasoning used for maps of the pedal.
Also in this case, WinOls shows me only positive gains (apart from a couple of punished that I have the correct one, why? significantly higher than those of the surrounding).
...the torque limiter can go, but you left too soon
So it would be suffuciente starting at a higher speed?
Thanks 1000 msport, and sorry for the multitude? of questions that I just did... :)
I tried to correct the maps, pedal and torque limiters according to what I understand by reading the message msport: I would like to then ask if I have moved in the right direction: they must be good cos? or ? better if you redo everything completely? :confused:
Thanks for the help :)
msport (exil77grande)
12-12-2012, 20:54
I have not abandoned it's just that now I can not help you as soon as I have 5 minutes ing tomorrow at the max I'll give you 2 tips simple enough,with what changes winols? why are you immediately went on the complicated?
Thanks 1000 msport! I don't want to create too much trouble: look when you have time... :)
Having to go anyway from scratch, they immediately went on the difficult... :D
Jokes aside: I tried with Titanium 1.49, but it was very clear the maps that proposed to me with the drivers, then I tried with WinOls, in order to see the actual values and to be able to better understand what (theoretically) I was doing and where I was speaking.
The result ? I found a billion maps, and among these I spotted a nice group of maps pedal, many torque limiters and some plan for the turbo...
Chris156
13-12-2012, 16:59
Bart but this duchy ? the 2.2 not the 1.9 ...
Anyway, to begin to change not to overdo it.. try to think and ponder on what to do ... follow the advice of msport..
or ought to understand how to inject and actually after you move accordingly, but ? a little more complicated if you don't know how to move..
Bart but this duchy ? the 2.2 not the 1.9...
OPS! I apologize to all: you are right Chris156, ? really? a 2300cc straight! I don't know how can I have wrong to write, who knows? what I was thinking! Maybe the fatigue from the late hour... :(
I apologize for the error and thank you Chris156 for the tip! :)
Anyway, to begin to change not to overdo it.. try to think and ponder on what to do ... follow the advice of msport..
or ought to understand how to inject and actually after you move accordingly, but ? a little more complicated if you don't know how to move..
Actually ? my first time, then you probably have the desire to do, that is associated with the lack of experience, I have played a bad joke...
In fact, my original problem ? just understand how much diesel you can give...
msport (exil77grande)
13-12-2012, 17:53
then bart,I am not here to make technical lessons type mg mbar etc etc, the thing would be too complex to explain, so then you do 2 straight elementary that will give you less hassle and still have their effects,first I'll give you a tip since winols I think among the best in the sw, but also the most complex to manage, I advise you to make a mod with the titanium and according to the maps that you from him and the table that tells you how to rpm and load and then the rpm and load and take you on the map that calls injection zoned by changing the + or - from 1500 rpm and 50% load, starting from an 8% increase up to 12%,then it goes to the maps enrichment, acceleration, and do the same thing but be careful, because if you do the mod to the main map, and without prejudice to the increase in and tells you copies on the similar maps you select not to copy on similar maps and make them one-by-one in the same way as the save a one-to-one if no very probably you find the maps completely wrong,then steps to the torque limiter always starting from the same rpm as in the other maps, and a 15% always usually one at a time,then you can give about 100-120 points to the map turbo pressure always respecting the rpm and load, and finally if you want you can give it a 3-4% to the rail pressure, and of course his limiter,with these changes you can already get something nice in maximum reliability and then possibly if you want to go more increases of not much a bit of everything and will adjust you.
In a few lines, you have given many cosigli for all:) super!
msport (exil77grande)
13-12-2012, 18:21
In a few lines, you have given many cosigli for all:) super!
it is a basic call it crude but it works and is reliable and you can go to the eye, and then, of course, technically, things are different,now it's up to bart.
Chris156
13-12-2012, 18:40
Bart, msport has given you the absolute basics to make a map..and not ? little.. now moddala and put it..
it is a basic call it crude but it works and is reliable and you can go to the eye, and then, of course, technically, things are different,now it's up to bart.
Thank you so much msport! :)
You have been very generous and clear! :)
I immediately start to work! :)
I did it: I gave birth to! :)
Now look the judgment, I hope it's not too merciless...
Chris156
14-12-2012, 08:48
For your first map ? evil!!!! indeed.... you should refine a bit more time.. as he said msport and climb more gradually, both vertical and horizontal..
then for the other maps, such as the rail, etc., are subjective..
... you should refine a bit more time.. as he said msport and rise more gradually, both vertical and horizontal...
Thanks for the advice Chris156! :)
Then I started looking at the maps out of driver, and I found some small inaccuracies and oversights that I had committed: and then I correct...
Now I was looking for some other plan interesting type (IQ): let's see if I can find it...
I'm getting and learning a lot from this discussion, for this thank you very much for msport for the indispensable help provided and Chris156 for the valuable advice: THANKS!!!!! :)
I'm still analyzing this map, and I dealt with a particular: on the axes of the map of the turbo I noticed that the real values are 400-5000 the first and 0-3200 the second.
then bart,I am not here to make technical lessons type mg mbar etc etc, the thing would be too complex to explain, so then you do 2 straight elementary that will give you less hassle and still have their effects,first I'll give you a tip since winols I think among the best in the sw, but also the most complex to manage, I advise you to make a mod with the titanium and according to the maps that you from him and the table that tells you how to rpm and load and then the rpm and load and take you on the map that calls injection zoned by changing the + or - from 1500 rpm and 50% load, starting from an 8% increase up to 12%,then it goes to the maps enrichment, acceleration, and do the same thing but be careful, because if you do the mod to the main map, and without prejudice to the increase in and tells you copies on the similar maps you select not to copy on similar maps and make them one-by-one in the same way as the save a one-to-one if no very probably you find the maps completely wrong,then steps to the torque limiter always starting from the same rpm as in the other maps, and a 15% always usually one at a time,then you can give about 100-120 points to the map turbo pressure always respecting the rpm and load, and finally if you want you can give it a 3-4% to the rail pressure, and of course his limiter,with these changes you can already get something nice in maximum reliability and then possibly if you want to go more increases of not much a bit of everything and will adjust you.
you can also increase the map time to a but of 640 points.
map advance max 2.5 degrees, the equivalent of 105 points about!
you can also increase the map time to a but of 640 points...
map advance max 2.5 degrees, the equivalent of 105 points about!
Hello matd82, thanks for the advice! :)
For? I did not understand what did you mean with: "up to a but of 640 dots"...
I've seen the map x no I have the permissions.
anyway you can increase the time up to 640 point grid to the max value and then increasing slowly up to a max of 640 points.
I hope I was kiaroooo:o
Chris156
15-12-2012, 21:22
matd82 turbo what would you do, given the time and the advance that advice?
150-200 points in pu may suffice for the turbo.... true matd82??
Could someone kindly tell me what are the plans of the following addresses, in my map posted above?
1C4674
1C4888
1C4AFC
1C9740
1C9A0C
1C9CD8
1C9FA4
1CA270
1D07AA
1E0D5E
1E0FA4
1E36C6 and 1E3992 (Press turbo)
Are the planes on which I saw that intervenes Titanium (so I think plans are similar), but I can not understand what they are... :(
150-200 points in pu may suffice for the turbo.... true matd82??
Depends on how much fuel you have given us!
Any turbo engine ? created x to facilitate the recovery and then 120 points in just x the map soft,
150 points x be a map with boost!!!
X cme I see it!
Mika pu? travel only turbo?
You have to follow a logic of increase,
120 points are equivalent to 0, 12 bar
Hello matd82, you believe that you should always change the advances to get the best results?
And' was made a discussion on this topic and I would like to know your opinion and the reasons for it. :)
Thanks! :)
X the best performance you what do you mean?
Smoke; hence, or a couple?.
The auto x going strong need to smoke a pinch
At least under torque
X the advances are created x improve the combustion by adjusting the pre-and post-injections, and the time,
Everything then depends on the strength of the inj.
The reason of logic ? this fi know the limits of the engine then that is a great map and nn are the maps of the 50 ?
Chris156
17-12-2012, 19:56
if you smoke means that it is burning..it serves no purpose that fuel injected in the most.
bart, to make a standard map you just need to work on timing and turbo.
Even if c'? something that I did not go back in this ecu, if you can do a log of rpm, and the amount injected would be better.
X the best performance you what do you mean?
Smoke; hence, or a couple?.
I'd like to be able to get the maximum torque with the minimum fumosit?, but I am afraid that is how to have the barrel full and the wife drunk...
Chris156
17-12-2012, 21:15
trust that you can safely.. make a mod with what you know and then check..
...Even if c'? something that I did not go back in this ecu, if you can do a log of rpm and quantity injected would be better.
OK, so tomorrow I try to make a log (before and after the change) and post it. Are sufficient engine rpm, and IQ?
Tomorrow I also read the ecu MagPro2 and first thing in the confronter? with the original that I posted, to check for any inconsistencies...
For now, thanks! :)
Tonight I decided to go from theory to practice, and since it's been a long time a friend asks me to mappargli the van, I decided to give him the gift of Christmas! :)
Cos? tonight I have abandoned (but only temporarily) my beloved EDC15 and I ventured into the EDC16! Not happy, just to add more difficulty, I decided to venture with WinOls.
I have to say that to me were two news?, then the avr? surely some bischerata...
I'm attaching the original map and the edited one:
No Damos or other help, for now I am limited to the Driver's Wish, the torque limiter and the map turbo.
The friend would like sopratturo reduce fuel consumption, but knowing him well, I know that you would like to go even a strong one, so I tried to change accordingly...
I would like to know how you think, what you've done, where I have gone wrong or exaggerated, and what I forgot...
Thanks in advance who will take? join the discussion and sopratturo who to take? help me... :)
..excuse bart from cardboard to cardboard... But that's kind of the duchy, and' .?maybe I ? escaped..? How many horses , the 120 or 130?use a van or a camper? .. You know, I also have the camper and if it was the same ecu approfondirei the study together..
Chris156
17-12-2012, 22:45
I am interested in only the rpm and the iq with the original map.. if you then want to add the turbo or other things to put them down quietly, may help you understand how to change..
..excuse bart from cardboard to cardboard... But that's kind of the duchy, and' .?maybe I ? escaped..? How many horses , the 120 or 130?use a van or a camper? .. You know I also have the camper and if it was the same ecu approfondirei the study together..
If you want to discuss, very happy! Are at your disposal for further joint study and depth of the map! :)
It is a van (not a camper) 2300cc straight 120CV no fap. If you want to, in the previous messages to find the original map and the one that I have modified according to the essential indications of the gurus of the forum :)
Check if they are the same version... ;)
I am interested in only the rpm and the iq with the original map.. if you then want to add the turbo or other things to put them down quietly, may help you understand how to change..
For now, thanks! :)
For now, thanks! :)
do the log with all the ke you can put in cos? do you realize what will change.
increasing diesel fuel will also increase the turbo
and route accordingly.
News? of the day:
Today my friend provided me with the van, so I downloaded the EDF to do the log, but not c'? the state to make it work! I tried in all ways, but I wanted to know! The strange thing ? that did not work even on my machine, so I'm afraid it was something in the configuration: riprover? as soon as possible with the hope of being ir? lucky...
Then I connected with the MagPro2 and I downloaded the map.
I then compared it with the one that I had read months ago with the rooster, and I found a strange inconsistency:
- By comparing the two maps that are downloaded with Titanium, they differ only in the rgione between 004183 and 004284, where the map is read with MagPro has a constant value of FFFF, while quellq read with the Rooster has a constant value of 0000, but it does not detect other differences.
- By comparing them with WinOls, I do not detect the above-mentioned difference, but in the region between 160000 and 17FFFE shows me a series of maps, that are not present on the map read with Galletto!
What can be attributed to such inconsistencies?
At this point, should I remake from**** the whole map has already been made, by plotting the values on the map read with MagPro and then rewrite it with the last quest?
I attach the same map viewed with the two different instruments, so that those who are interested, can? you can see the differences...
2081
Do not believe! Still censored! :D
bart read the post n?12 of this discussion....maybe you've forgotten....
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?1317-Richiesta-chiarimento-su-Mpps/page2
bart read the post n?12 of this discussion....maybe you've forgotten....
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?1317-Richiesta-chiarimento-su-Mpps/page2
In fact, I was reminded of this discussion, so I think that will have? repeat all the changes you made on the map read with the Rooster on the read with MagPro and then rewrite it with the same tool with which I read.
The thing, however, that to me is very strange, are the differences found with two different software (WinOls and Titanium)! This leaves me a bit confused... :confused:
but the area toward the end of the file to differ between titanium and winols??
why? if ? so that ? the area of the map of the check-sum that of course editors edit in their own way every time...
I'm sorry, Munro, I forgot to quote in my last message, but I was answering to you... :)
I forgot to write also the area ? at the end, but at the center, as the address listed above...
Chris156
19-12-2012, 12:34
use the edited file as ori and the last downloaded as a mod.. scroll the map in 2d, and you ricopi maps mod now will be ori..
Thanks Chris! And that's what I was doing, so I'm glad for your confirmation! :)
I guess then it will have to? extend the changes to the new plans, right?
But what will be due the differences in the same map read and open with two different instruments? :confused:
Chris156
19-12-2012, 12:58
I just open the file.. but the file is more complete, it seems that the wing nut (I thought the opposite).. re-read the file with the mag and check the entire file..
unfortunately I'm at work and use a editor free.. but it seems like you manchano some of the maps..
OPS! You are right! And' that read with the Galletto that pi? complete!
With MagPro on this ecu ? can choose the option "all" or "only data". Is automatically disabled, and then I think I read everything...
At this point, what do I do? The risk and write the map with the Galletto v1? Or take the map read with Galletto and I write it with MagPro? :confused:
But why? this difference, and why? Titanium does not reveals?
Bad news for me... :(
Today I re-read the map with Cock and with MagPro, but I got exactly the same result: two different maps between them... :(
2082
Among other things, to read this EDC16+C39, the Galltto takes 4 min (despite the warning that it might take longer? of an hour) and MagPro 8 min...
Does anyone have an explanation to these differences?
Also I would be grateful if someone who has this map (Fiat Ducato 2300mjet 120CV HW576 SW111) could post it, to be able to compare with my own two versions...
Thanks for the help :)
Thanks 1000 for the help matd82! :)
This map would seem to be identical to the one read with Galletto! Do you have any additional information? Do you by chance know with which tool ? was read? And if the source ? reliable?
At this point what I do: I can trust to write this edc16C39 with a Galletto 1260? :confused:
To be honest, the thing makes me a little apprehensive! And that would happen instead if I was with MagPro2 the map read with the Rooster? :confused:
msport (exil77grande)
19-12-2012, 23:55
found on the net
matd82 kindly files ori posting in a data bank in an orderly manner then you paste the link in the discussion interested thanks.
Hello msport! :)
Thank you in advance for any help :)
The doubt that mostly gets hold of me ?: what happens if a programmer rewrite the map read with the same?
Let me explain: if I map read with MagPro with the same programmer, I would find myself writing the most? information with respect to the case in which riscrivessi with the Rooster on the map read with the Cock itself!
Possible that strange things happen all the time, and only to me... :(
you can write a file management edc16c39 be read with magpro with cock and vice versa without problems then I think you're making too many problems,also read the file mode as selected by the programmer itself,the different information in the file are definitely related to the ck.
Hello msport, I would not have worried if the difference between the two file were a few bits at the beginning of the map (and then I would have imagined to be the ck), but the two maps are very different in a wide region! Try please, if you must, and if you have the time, compare the two maps are read with the two programmers that I posted and look at all the area between the addresses 160000 and 180000: with the wing nut ? a constant line of value FFFF, while the read with MagPro are a whole series of plans! (Which even seems to recognise the maps pedal, maps to the turbo and another...).
msport (exil77grande)
20-12-2012, 14:18
The doubt that mostly gets hold of me ?: what happens if a programmer rewrite the map read with the same?
Let me explain: if I map read with MagPro with the same programmer, I would find myself writing the most? information with respect to the case in which riscrivessi with the Rooster on the map read with the Cock itself!
Possible that strange things happen all the time, and only to me... :(
you can write a file management edc16c39 be read with magpro with cock and vice versa without problems then I think you're making too many problems,also read the file mode as selected by the programmer itself,the different information in the file are definitely related to the ck.
matd82 kindly files ori posting in a data bank in an orderly manner then you paste the link in the discussion interested thanks.
? the same file x, then post it 2 times???
Only x this nn I entered it.
then bart..I give you my hoping request that you do not say crap...when a qualsiasistrumento is connected to the ecu,which is a scanner of diagnosis, or a programmer of the flash, or else,the ecu registers the connection based on the communication protocol of these tools that do not ? always the same...so if, for example, with the map ori you colleagues a tool and download the map you'll have a read of the flash of a certain type...if you download the map is always ori after 10giorni or after you've done 3 resets dtc to the es or a service reset...the file will not be? never the same since? because of the counter of links in the ecu or the connection protocol is different from tool to tool the file every time will be? different....
according to me you're a p? too many "saws, mental"..if you read a ecu with the cock, then write it with the rooster..stop...
you will not lose it in a glass of water as I do.....
Munro, for this yesterday, I repeated 6 times the reading of the map without EVER turning on the van, with the two instruments, with the vehicle connected to the charger and the computer to the mains in order to be sure of not having voltage variations, or any other unknown unexpected that could modificarmi the downloaded data!
Those read with MagPro have a whole series of plans and values in the ir? in the area between the addresses 160000 and 180000, where instead of the read with the Rooster ? a simple line of value FFFF!!!
Compare the latest maps that I posted in the area between the addresses 160000 and 180000 and you will realize!!! Then will you give me your opinion... ;)
Chris156
20-12-2012, 17:10
use the mag and set the speed? slow in writing and you will see that it does not lock!!!! I also use it myself and I have never cheated.*****and also the gall.v.1..never any problems...
Hello Chris156, thanks for the advice! :)
I can't find a logical explanation for that... :(
msport (exil77grande)
20-12-2012, 18:25
? the same file x, then post it 2 times???
Only x this nn I entered it.
well then you could simply paste the link of where it is so we keep the forum more read and ordered.
I can't find a logical explanation for that... :(
bart for me ? all a matter of different communication protocols between the two instruments....
I believe that it is a p? as if, because of these differences one has the most? "keys" of another to certain data and the force of what the file will not be the same... what? ? a p? as for the scanner,some allow you to do or read some of the things:activations,reset,log,etc others, you can only do certain things in less.....
for? I don't see why? you're doing all sti problems....
bart
read and write with the same serial.
and I have problems.
I will do blowjobs on the mental diversity? file.
almost always happens when you read with serial number.
? possible that a serial read a part of the micro-and the whole flash.
unlike another that reads all of the micro.
in the file there are areas that need x the identification of hardware and software.
or are different protocols to unlock it.
x avoid these prb recommend it in the files section also write the type of interface you use x to read in such a way as to facilitate the writing.
Thanks to all of you! :)
I'm scared seeing two different maps, and not understanding the reason. My concern was that they had lost data in the process of reading: to not have downloaded the full map! Not having had the chance? to be read in BDM, I was afraid of losing data, writing it and then not be able to pi? recover...
Then resumed? the changes already? made on the map Galletto, following your advice, on the map MagPro.
Again, thank you all for the help and for the patience... :)
Here we are again here: new year, new life!
I have been absent a few days, then I take the opportunity of my first post of the year to turn my pi? wishes for a happy new Year to all.
Then, because I took too much of your patience and helpfulness?, to be fair I wanted to let you all know that today I finally loaded the map!
As said by you, everything seems to be gone at its best during the writing phase! :)
So I thank you again and I wish you all a year full of satisfactions and a good continuation in this wonderful Forum! :)
Good sharing to all and thanks again! :)
msport (exil77grande)
03-01-2013, 19:04
great I'm very happy with your positive comment,good continuation.
great I'm very happy with your positive comment,good continuation.
Still, thank you! :)
Chris156
04-01-2013, 19:13
Bart but that mod files you have loaded into the ecu at the end?
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