Opinion the map alfa 159

[panterargento]

A greeting to all,
as the title suggests I would like an opinion on the map that I have attached, I have to say that I have created from scratch, but I adjusted that to me ? was made by a trainer in the workshop, I have basically tried to improve it more? on high revs to have more? speed? like me, sacrificing a p? torque especially in the fifth and sixth gear (not a s? if I did well) to not sacrifice the clutch had its 100,000 km.
Pass word to the experts for advice.
Thanks.

[Chris156]

you did not put the file ori in the attachments..at least you could write hw and sw...

[Chris156]

https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=160&d=1339923023

here is the ori.

[msport (exil77grande)]

we are always on the usual I know that if I do not start to delete posts that open and chidete help where you should not enter the info of the machine and post the file ori and mod with the brand, model, cc-cv-w-sw not understand it.

[Chris156]

honestly it would have been better to delete the post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[munro]

christian...but looks not you siii f? casin??

[Chris156]

not ? my fault!!!! hahahaha.. come see this map and tell me what is wrong.. according to me they used the motto: the more you have, the more, the better!!!!

[msport (exil77grande)]

honestly it would have been better to delete the post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

for the time being until it is fixed the initial post as you must delete all the answers with opinions and technical advice on the map.

[panterargento]

The first post, I can't change it why? I do not have the permissions.
Tomorrow when I get back from work I am attaching the file ori...

[panterargento]

not ? my fault!!!! hahahaha.. come see this map and tell me what is wrong.. according to me they used the motto: the more you have, the more, the better!!!!
But this ? a forum to make jokes and fool around, or to write something useful and maybe collaborate?

for the time being until it is fixed the initial post as you must delete all the answers with opinions and technical advice on the map.
Thanks...so much..***** and usually it rains in the wet...

[Chris156]

the file ori I have placed I..
perhaps you do not know me..but I'm one of the few that laughing and joking I do understand things..or at least I think..laughing.. :rolleyes:

Anyway, doing serious... there are things that should not be in this map..things without criteria, in a few words ? redo the dac****..
Good job.

[panterargento]

the file ori I have placed I..
perhaps you do not know me..but I'm one of the few that laughing and joking I do understand things..or at least I think..laughing.. :rolleyes:

Anyway, doing serious... there are things that should not be in this map..things without criteria, in a few words ? redo the dac****..
Good job.
Thank you for putting up the gold, are new, and of course do not know you, indeed I do not know, the fact ? that, for you, some things can be trivial and maybe we mess above, but for me are not, and therefore I demoralizzo, why? I try to learn something with your help, I'm not saying to become an expert but at least understand the basics to us? I am writing to the forum.

Thanks

PS now you know :)

[cicciogsr]

according to me, we are given the usual % just to make it go a little better

[panterargento]

according to me, we are given the usual % just to make it go a little better
I would like to know at least if they are in a range of security and that is not split anything.

[cicciogsr]

I think that don't split anything? the turbo should be as less fixed better... however I would do it again all by tapping on the maps they have to sell

[panterargento]

I think that don't split anything? the turbo should be as less fixed better... however I would do it again all by tapping on the maps they have to sell
Have you taken a look also to the outside of the driver?
How do I look?
For the turbo do you mean to say to make it go up more? gradually?

[magi1984]

with regard to the original that you gave to the preparer you had already? replied I saying that was ok, because reading the total of your flash. You can not use it with your player, mpps, but still the file ? correct

[cicciogsr]

the out driver I have seen them and they are made so for them it seems to me that even defappata..then the advance ? debatable...however I suggest you to do it again

[panterargento]

the out driver I have seen them and they are made so for them it seems to me that even defappata..then the advance ? debatable...however I suggest you to do it again

Thanks 1000...

[cicciogsr]

if I'm not mistaken there are other discussions of the same engines

[panterargento]

if I'm not mistaken there are other discussions of the same engines
Would you be cos? nice indicarmene some of them?

[msport (exil77grande)]

with regard to the original that you gave to the preparer you had already? replied I saying that was ok, because reading the total of your flash. You can not use it with your player, mpps, but still the file ? correct

if, and this is on this thing, I answered several times even I in that back

[Chris156]

that problem, you feel in addition to the maximum speed that does not satisfy you?

[panterargento]

with regard to the original that you gave to the preparer you had already? replied I saying that was ok, because reading the total of your flash. You can not use it with your player, mpps, but still the file ? correct


if, and this is on this thing, I answered several times even I in that back

I have only done this to Chris, the post in which you spoke of that file...

[panterargento]

that problem, you feel in addition to the maximum speed that does not satisfy you?

Speed? struggling to reach the 220, while up to 200 seems to have a good delivery, then the clutch, I slide a p? if you thrust the pedal at around 3100-3200 rpm in fifth and sixth gear, the tachometer squirts from 3200 up to 3500 and then fall back and settle.

[Chris156]

according to you, what could you do to eliminate this slipping?

[panterargento]

Put a reinforced clutch, or work on a couple?!

[panterargento]

Other tips?

[cicciogsr]

redo the map ? the first listen

[magi1984]

actually the map has different things that are not right.
my advice ? from the start from an original map, and not to work on a map made by another preparer speando to improve it, why? however, you do not have the basics to fix a thing made by someone else.
from what I understand you are without experience, and if you want to ask for it to be the best thing to do ? starting with an original file and process it.

not ? for malevolence, but we say that all the maps in the group that ecm called the "MOTOR TORQUE", are all to be redone
in the "fuel INJECTION SYSTEM" for a standard map does not need to change a jot of anything outside of the injection times
the "RAIL" don't talk about it, 1712 bar on a edc16 are too many and the limiter ? hurt

[savek]

I have to say that I have not seen the map, and then I can base it only on what I read...
I have the same car and 1712, the bars are too much has I was magi1984.
if ? a 150 hp and does not exceed the 220(from the speedometer) c? some problem with the 220 makes them original....
for the slippage of the clutch you have to lower the lim torque and calibrate well the driver's swish
the other remedies are only the clutch and flywheel reinforced but consist so much I don't know how you should.. the kit more "bum" it costs about 1200 euro..

[munro]

guys I'm intruding only for you to notice that the pump on the CR of the 159 ? a cp1h that can? working safely up to 1800bar.....provided for? to have a low pressure pump from the flow rate appropriate to the new press....our technicians diesel can confirm if they want to....also I want to say,in the light that I have not seen the file,that the preparatory serious when you increase the press-rail, they do it because they know what they are doing and the why of cause-and-effect that does not ? only to have more press rail to get more fuel or have a sort function "add-on module" but ? another motivation is far more serious....
of the l? of this, I too am a p? rest?or to increase pa press rail but for the reason that accenavo before you do it.....

[magi1984]

and what would be this mysterious reason?

[munro]

if it increases beyond a certain limit, the injection time, and f? a log with the press rail, objective and real-you will see a large deviation between these two....the cio? the real pressure will be? more low and to compensate for this decline given by the injectors stay open longer and have to be fed in the most possible"near" the pressure objective you are trying to increase the pres rail map.....experience s? with 1350bar data from CP1 and IQ above requests 90mm3 the actual pressure measured is lowered to around 1150-1200 bar....... and the pump must be in the form of if ? a bit lackluster the press reaches 1000bar....logically, those pressures, those IQ not we ever will....

[panterargento]

I have to say that I have not seen the map, and then I can base it only on what I read...
I have the same car and 1712, the bars are too much has I was magi1984.
if ? a 150 hp and does not exceed the 220(from the speedometer) c? some problem with the 220 makes them original....
for the slippage of the clutch you have to lower the lim torque and calibrate well the driver's swish
the other remedies are only the clutch and flywheel reinforced but consist so much I don't know how you should.. the kit more "bum" it costs about 1200 euro..
My ? a sw and I have never seen or heard that f? the 220, but the official f? the 208, my map ori only sfappata egr off, filter sport terminal sport f? the 215-217, before these mod mechanical was the 210-212 so I think in the norm...

[msport (exil77grande)]

boys to the maximum speed and subjective because the speedometer has a gap, and maybe not all of them are identical, there are cars like these that mark also 230kmh without problems then you need to see certainly no actual are more than 215-220kmh.

[checcosassu]

I can not open the file

[panterargento]

I can not open the file

You have to reach 50 posts useful, only then will you have the privileges to do so...

[checcosassu]

thanks a lot, very nice

[msport (exil77grande)]

I can not open the file

I invite you to read the rules.

[emilground]

But I can't open the file (of course), for? surely c'? something that should not be why? having the same car and after numerous tests I can say that in 6? march arrival at 4,500 rpm to almost 250 km/h speedometer and without smoke.
The clutch obviously is affected by a lot, in fact it has started to slip when the car had 8000 miles.. now it has 35.000 but I've changed, I try to "determination of the foot", and then with the one that costs the diesel :mad: .

[panterargento]

But I can't open the file (of course), for? surely c'? something that should not be why? having the same car and after numerous tests I can say that in 6? march arrival at 4,500 rpm to almost 250 km/h speedometer and without smoke.
The clutch obviously is affected by a lot, in fact it has started to slip when the car had 8000 miles.. now it has 35.000 but I've changed, I try to "determination of the foot", and then with the one that costs the diesel :mad: .


Could you post your map?;)

[emilground]

Personally I have given an increase in a very modest to low, just to make it a little more? playful and ready since I was not accustomed to the slowness of the diesel ( I come from engines, turbo gasoline by more than 200CV), and then climb up gradually. Only between 3500 and 4500 rpm the increase ? much more? decisive( only in the case of full acceleration, just because? ? a range, very rarely use. For long paths where you do not need to sink the pedal you can? also go to 4000 rpm why? the increase is not ? exaggerated. Well according to me everyone should customize it to suit your needs on the map why? we have different riding styles and needs? different.
It is clear that to go to the limit even with the map series pu? lead to breakage.

[panterargento]

Personally I have given an increase in a very modest to low, just to make it a little more? playful and ready since I was not accustomed to the slowness of the diesel ( I come from engines, turbo gasoline by more than 200CV), and then climb up gradually. Only between 3500 and 4500 rpm the increase ? much more? decisive( only in the case of full acceleration, just because? ? a range, very rarely use. For long paths where you do not need to sink the pedal you can? also go to 4000 rpm why? the increase is not ? exaggerated. Well according to me everyone should customize it to suit your needs on the map why? we have different riding styles and needs? different.
It is clear that to go to the limit even with the map series pu? lead to breakage.


In fact, to me it has the egr off, precat replaced with a downpipe ? without that crap in the dpf replaced with a straight tube, in the ir? I have fitted a sports exhaust system + sport air filter.
My intent ? just what to improve to high in order to lengthen the motor and without stresare too the clutch.
I fully agree with the fact of customize it to your liking, but for me it's not ? easy to do as beginner.

[emilground]

well just to give you an idea not to exaggerate with the turbo, a 180 points have to be ir? that well ( more than you risk, but personally I have given more? only when I'm at the tablet and not under 3500 rpm) and do not serve in the course of operation. If you want to respect the original curves, you can give a 7-8 % in general. On the rail pressure I would not go over 6%, n? rpm too low senn? you may have some seghettamento, but you can always try. With Tinj not to overdo it at low loads, by little, just to fill that small emptiness that c'?. You can progressively rise with the increase and stay within the 15% in ir? and see if it smokes. Test under load and at high rpm. The advance of fuel injection don't touch it, see how it goes without touching it. Of course, adjusting the torque limiters and maps the pedal ( I don't know if you use ECM and what version they are or they are the first 4 maps ). According to me the important thing ? to understand the extent to which we you can? push to maintain reliability? and then the rest comes by trial and error. Maybe with the ELM327 and multiecuscan you can make a log to keep temperatures under control, the amount? diesel fuel, turbo pressure, rail, and other things that can help you to give an account of how well it is working the system.

[panterargento]

well just to give you an idea not to exaggerate with the turbo, a 180 points have to be ir? that well ( more than you risk, but personally I have given more? only when I'm at the tablet and not under 3500 rpm) and do not serve in the course of operation. If you want to respect the original curves, you can give a 7-8 % in general. On the rail pressure I would not go over 6%, n? rpm too low senn? you may have some seghettamento, but you can always try. With Tinj not to overdo it at low loads, by little, just to fill that small emptiness that c'?. You can progressively rise with the increase and stay within the 15% in ir? and see if it smokes. Test under load and at high rpm. The advance of fuel injection don't touch it, see how it goes without touching it. Of course, adjusting the torque limiters and maps the pedal ( I don't know if you use ECM and what version they are or they are the first 4 maps ). According to me the important thing ? to understand the extent to which we you can? push to maintain reliability? and then the rest comes by trial and error. Maybe with the ELM327 and multiecuscan you can make a log to keep temperatures under control, the amount? diesel fuel, turbo pressure, rail, and other things that can help you to give an account of how well it is working the system.

Thanks 1000, you were very clear and of great help...;)

[emilground]

I pray I figured, c'? from work and try that but at the end you can? get a good map. I understand that ? for personal satisfaction, not ? so much for the money.
The first map for my car me I do, and that was a speudo-professional to say that he was a magician, but the car just did not go, just a few more thing? of the original. Sometimes you trust the people that do the job and you find yourself with a file to throw.
Know how to change a map assumes a deep knowledge of the operation of the same, which is not acquired simply trying ( the one pu? be good for a beginner who tries on his car), but looking for the material and studying it. Not ? easy.

[panterargento]

emilground I wanted to tell you that you have been a glimmer of light in the thick darkness?, I really appreciate humble people.
As soon as you have the chance? to be able to download the files, poster? in this discussion, a map is made to my liking on high revs by following your advice, rather your guide, maybe give them a look and evaluate if you are on the right track.

[emilground]

cmq c'? always something to learn for everyone.

[panterargento]

cmq c'? always something to learn for everyone.

That little x me is worth so much...
Place the map as described, I hope you will have the pleasure to evaluate it when you have the chance? and time of course.
I use ecm titanium.
I forgot, I also touched by the IQ from 1CC1AE to 1CC6B6 only increasing the peaks.

Alfa romeo 159 jtdm 150 bhp
Bosch EDC16C39
HW 160
SW 252
;);)