Gp 1.3 90hp Concern about some of the changes.

[Metropolis]

[magi1984]

to see her so? it would seem the map of the accelerator pedal.
the trainer has brought you to 0 all the values in the negative, but not, and I understand the meaning of such a maneuver

[Metropolis]

Boh I don't know maybe it has some benefit down where ? dead? after that I see to fix it...bah...

[munro]

but on the screen titanium says that ? a map injection in function of the air temperature...
was könnte kompatibel mit einer karte, die die injektion diesel in abhängigkeit von der temp oder eine karte turbo-immer in abhängigkeit von der temp und wenn es nicht, dass die sw nicht, kein verweis auf die l? der rpm und das load könnte gut möglich bananen nicht verstehen nie, was diese karte, wenn nicht andere wege....
however, apart from this ? not to contradire magi, I have never seen a map DW with values in the negative...
for? it does not mean that it is not a DW just because? I never seen so...also because titanium with the names of the maps is a p? what the hell they like....

[magi1984]

on the names of the titanium in the maps spread a veil...
on the 1.3 mjet maps of the accelerator pedal often have values in the negative and the curves are the same as those of the photo.
in certain 1.3 mjet 70cv even the titanium the identifies as torque limiters!

however, let's say that, as always, the ideal would be to put ori and mod if you want an opinion and not a simple screenshot.
otherwise ? difficult to help for those who want to do it

[Metropolis]

Guys I thank you for the help, but I just wanted to know something about that kind of change to the curve, tonight I'm attaching the two files, original and modified, so you have ideas pi? clear...Thanks a lot to all for the answers..

[munro]

ohne umschweife, was frage ich, und ich: aber eine karte pedal DW jeder ecu ist pu? haben werte unter 0% pedal?was ist der sinn?warum? gehen "sottozero" in einem winkel pedal, wenn es scheint, eine logische 0% das pedal alles schließen,endet,hat keine anforderungen, paar -, iq-position, was ??
spiegatemelo please because this for me ? a totally new concept that I would like to learn more...
Thanks

[magi1984]

to confirm if ? or not the map of the accelerator pedal look forward to the original file.
and maybe because they don't have the sense to go negative in the map the pedal to the preparer who did I file that led to this reason, to ZERO all the values in the negative in those maps

not ? to go off topic, but I often see many torque limiters in the negative, and I wonder what sense it has to have torque limiters in the negative

[Metropolis]

[magi1984]

after seeing the map I'm pretty sure those that ecm called injection f. temp air are the maps of the accelerator pedal

if you really want a comment on the map, I don't go around with a similar map, if you put the original ? better according to me.
we are in increments of 60 or 120% on several maps of management diesel, which of course are increments exaggerated and absurd
in different maps the changes begin from 6% of the load ? one thing that is totally useless.
in the times of injection has increased by around 16%, except that 13% of the load, perhaps by error, why? has left all the original column
turbo pressure increased by 15%, also here ? too much as an increase in the
you ? forgotten or very probably did not know that there were 2 torque limiters out of the driver

the only maps that I would save are the rail pressure, and the bit for the egr off.

[Metropolis]

Ok thanks magi for your help...seen that? I have both the titanium and the programmer now I see a p? I give him a adjusted on this map....I hope I succeed...there are also two other torque limiters out of the driver...we hope that can find them...thanks a lot...I will keep you updated

[magi1984]

for those I'll help you...from 91570 to 91586, limits the torque of the motor according to the rpm

from 915a8 to 91616, limits the torque of the motor according to the temperature of the diesel

[Metropolis]

azz those are two limiters? kill, and who would have ever thought...at first sight does not have the usual panettone from the torque limiter..now I some questions arise...the values that are negative should bring the original or rimanerli as they are? for the turbo pressure of how many points we should take it? or better yet how to change it, usually on the bosh every 100 points is equivalent to 0.1...on the marelli how does it work?

[munro]

the map pedal does not have a value in the negative...according to me lifes as you posted must be something else....
I have no way to view your file, but take a look at this screen so you realize that the form must have the drivers wish...that there are two consecutive and I values in the negative I don't see....
the file and the 1.3 multijet 70cv of the panda-opel corsa but I think that the characteristic curves are as if mounting a 6jf...
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9872/13driverwish.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/521/13driverwish.png/)

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[magi1984]

for me to agree that parts from the original map and the change you as much as you can, do a lot of tests and will make your experience.


*munro

[munro]

sar?...but I this thing I understand very well..if the descriptor of the DW are Nm of torque that it has to describe in map -50 nm??not ? the engine pu? go to "zero" in the pair a time from 0 Nm of torque.....
I say that the map that the sw 2-money calls injection as a function of temp, which must be either a limiter gas oils as a function of the engine temperature, or a map lambda...

[magi1984]

around my parts it is said that c'? dull the worst of those who do not want to hear...
just look at the map in 2D without the use of the ecm titanium drivers and you'll find that ? the exact same map that winols is calling you driver wish and driver wish 2
if you don't believe us, we've got you covered (click to enlarge): http://s10.postimage.org/uuwqz08zp/Immagine.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/uuwqz08zp/)

if, after this further proof you're still not convinced that the map is a limiter galosio then jet to the sponge, not s? in what other way can explain it

[munro]

ok but I do not understand the meaning of values in the negative in the torque required pedal?? how can you? a motor to produce-50Nm of torque??and one thing mechanically impossible for what it s? I....for this, I say that makes no sense, the DW did so well?...understood the magi??
among other things, it seems to me that the value in the map you should convert to 0,023438 if I'm not mistaken...
symptomssinus we read -50 and we want to convert to that factor we will have -11,719 Nm...and we are always l?..the reasoning that I mentioned above...
P. S: don't get mad...help me understand...thanks!

[magi1984]

I personally do not arabbio for these things, ? only that I didn't know pi? how do you understand that that was the map the pedal
why? put the values in the negative not the s? unfortunately, I have no idea
for? I assure you that all of the 1.3 mjet as the accelerator pedal also have values in the negative

[munro]

what I have to ask ? but if you do not know, because the values of DW in some points are in the negative as you can change these points if not then you s? what you are doing??
not ? a criticism/attack against you, magi, for love of god and only that I would like to understand I have something more in the first place...

[magi1984]

in fact, I usually edit only the values in the positive, and this I do in all of the maps where can I find negative values

[Metropolis]

Slut Zoxxa then seeing the map turbo and doing the conversion according to the calculations I have the fairy that I should come 3080bar :Or I did the math right? on 100% load 1300 rpm value ? 220 then 220*14=3080...but ? can? or am I that in my great ignorance, I understood one thing for another? why? seeing the original values at the load ? 192 then 192*14=2688...forgive my ignorance....

[munro]

the calculation you have to deduct always 1000 mbar press atmospheric, I believe, so I think 2688 are 1688 cio? almost 1.7 bar....
among other things I wanted to ask the magi, but the conversion factor psi are you sure that is 14? no because for what it s? I 1 bar is equal to 14.7 psi....then the values are recalculated to 14,7 are still other....

[magi1984]

to tell you the truth, 1 bar are 14.5037738 psi.
in several of the foreign forum I found how to info to multiply by 14

the correct test to do would be to get in the way with the original machine at full load, and see what is the value of the pressure turbo, then divide it by 14 and see if it corresponds to the maximum value in the map, otherwise you will have to divide by 14.5.

[Metropolis]

the 1.3 have the fairy that full charge to 1.7 kills...

[Metropolis]

So guys a piece of advice...do you say that ? better start the original turbo on the 1.3?

[magi1984]

son pi? good with the electronics with the mechanical, I don't have all this knowledge on the limits of the turbines,for? for me, up to 1.8 you can't push in yet.

[munro]

but that value and an overboost or mileage?

[Metropolis]

I do not know if ? of an overboost or mileage sincerely....the only thing that I understand ? that in my file ? too high..

[munro]

but the limiter turbo to how much ? set from the ori??

[Metropolis]

guys a question...does anyone have any file with changes to read to be able to study on? I don't want a map from 3,000 horses, it is clear it is a map made good that I can compare, and understand how to pull off a good file..thanks a lot

[chicco]

but 1.8 bar is not a p? many?I have not tried it in the diagnosis is to see how much comes in the original but as soon as I can I try and then I'll know.

[Metropolis]

the grain let me know they are really interested in this thing...thanks

[munro]

however, this turbo to 1.7-1.8 bar ori seems a bit absurd as what....
I was thinking about the 1.3 multijet of the ypsilon momodesign from 105hp..that turbo pressure pu? ever have??
up to now car with a single turbo to the max press turbo series that I have seen and been of 1.55 bar on the ibiza cupra tdi from 160cv...
just for clarification, the bmw twinturbo or the fiat mjet with the same system series run at 1.8 bar...but for? have 2 turbo...and then a p? as if the pressure is divided between the two-stage turbo....

[Metropolis]

I sincerely do not understand...if you do the calculations in the paper it seems that it should be so...unfortunately I don't have a gp where you can put a pressure gauge and check and be sure...

[munro]

well, of course the pressure gauge, you take away all the doubts.....
strange for? that marelli has adopted this system fool for maps of the turbo with a conversion factor of the anglo-saxon...I sti designers them not understand? never...

[franco75]

The values in the negative in the maps DW relate to conditions of release and then with the pedal up and revs high?

[munro]

sinceramene and as I have also argued tread do not understand the meaning of these values in the negative on the maps dw....we hope that some good guy that knows how to want delucidarci on....

[franco75]

may serve to make one understand some of the logic in the ecu that you are in the process of being released, and then give a measure of intensity? of this release. it might serve to bring down the engine more or less quickly, I can't think of anything else.

[franco75]

may activate some strategy to increase the frenomotore???

[munro]

franco I have no more clue.....for? your idea on the strategy engine brake ? interesting....I wonder? as the ecu may calculate the "negative torque" or better, as it could increase I decrease this, "the negative torque" to the engine based on the pedal??

[munro]

vabb? increase the "negative torque" and simple..you gsolio and the engine produces "the positive torque"...but notwithstanding the fact that the inertia inside the engine, intended as "the negative torque" or the engine brake and that I do not see how the ecu could aumetare this brake the engine only via its input/output??

[franco75]

the car has a butterfly in a collector or a pop-off?
You could try to put the minimum value to zero and then without having negative values in the map to see what happens

[Danny]

Then, I read here and see that ? a p? part of my doubt, appronciandomi to moddare just a file of a 90hp.
In the meantime, the turbo pressure is not ? absolutely to 1.7, xk? I know the 90 hp size to 1.55 from your map. And the pressure ori detected by the TORQUE should be around 0.9,max 1... the Same values around 75, with the difference of the geo variable.
That said, for the values negative ? the same thing that I thought to myself. And if it were in the positive values in acceleration and negative in deceleration? That is, position the accelerator at 3500rpm=100%...To 3500rpm=0. Here's who could return as said by someone else, the speech engine brake.
With regards to the manifolds ? a diesel engine, the butterfly c'? but only in phases of spegnimeno to avoid too many movements of the motor.

[Metropolis]

Excuse the question then doing 4 calculations if you wanted to know about the pressure at which they are with the crowd as I do? how do I calculate it? of course, if you wanted to avoid the pressure gauge...

[Danny]

If you have android you should take a ELM327, you make the diagnosis, and you have different parameters under control.
Other ways to know the pressoine effective, I believe there are none. Here for? we are Off Topic...

[Metropolis]

[franco75]

take a tablet of low-cost and install torque for android. you leave the hard drive, and with an elm327 have another dashboard then you will see that you will not use android for life :-)))))

[Metropolis]

ahahaha no no no android ;) anyway now I see, taking an elm...

[Danny]

But you have iOS?
In this case, c'? the WI-FI for? I don't know with which program to use elm

[frantik3]

franco I have no more clue.....for? your idea on the strategy engine brake ? interesting....I wonder? as the ecu may calculate the "negative torque" or better, as it could increase I decrease this, "the negative torque" to the engine based on the pedal??

there are managers in the map for calculating the negative torque on all of the management and are all outside of driver

[munro]

bh?....then enlighten us....

[frantik3]

this and a edc16c9

[frantik3]

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[Metropolis]

you I ios ;) but looks sincerely can I also take the version with the cable of course I don't mind going around with the laptop ;)

[Danny]