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goku
26-11-2012, 21:34
Hello guys ,I think I have heard that c'? a limit of times you can? write a ECU..!!who knows something with certainty pu? enter a list of how many times and on which ECU and present this problem..? ? once you have reached, what happens???

blackwolf76
26-11-2012, 21:51
According to me you have said something that isn't true...

goku
26-11-2012, 22:23
We hope ..aspect, however, also other comment.. Not for lack of trust.. But you know I already? did a bit of testing and I would not want to lock anything

gfr
26-11-2012, 22:27
if you work with the head does not block anything you can write safely!

giarras
26-11-2012, 22:29
if you can? consular, I know a guy that a 147 map a day no one and this one from about two years if you do the calculations 365x2=730:2=365 and still continues also depends on the type of character of the ecu ahahahh I'm just kidding anyway, I also know 1000 times, but then will be? true? I've never tried it.

franco75
26-11-2012, 22:35
electronically speaking, there are no limits to write a flash (exist, but are very high), there may be some added software that limits the writing, but a hardware limitation and you can say that there is no

blackwolf76
26-11-2012, 22:41
The flash of the ecu ? always a piece of silicon that stores data, and subject to failure or breakage of the same is not expected to have any limits in writing and rewriting. A bit like the pendrive to the computer.... they work until they don't break, but the source does not have the limits of rewrites.

magi1984
26-11-2012, 22:44
depends on the units
on some edc17 if I'm not mistaken c'? a maximum limit of scripture
if I'm not mistaken, even in the golf 5 c'? a maximum limit of 15 or 16 the scriptures
the limit to which you can? easily bypass in the case of golf if you map bdm or if you do a good backup of the eeprom before starting to map

msport (exil77grande)
26-11-2012, 22:54
I on my 147 jtd it sold something like 150 scriptures and never had any problems,a golf 5 2.0 tdi 45 the scriptures honestly one thing that I was told many years ago when I was starting out, but I don't know if it is true that after a bit of scripture they had to rewrite the file ori mode as a whole, and it also resets the counter well, I have been on my 147 it done 2-3 times, but I don't know if it's true or not.

ecuboost
26-11-2012, 22:58
c'? who says 999 times, but to reset it you need to write in the bdm? I'm not an expert, but according to me in the map c'? a few bits that funce from the counter, once I had read something somewhere, but I can't remember where.

gfr
26-11-2012, 23:16
I A3s3 I found 22 times in writing !! fear, but nothing all ok written without problems

magi1984
26-11-2012, 23:20
pi? on the map, the counter should be in the eeprom

goku
27-11-2012, 06:43
..very well are more? quiet.. But how to make a full backup..? With mpps?

magi1984
27-11-2012, 07:17
no, only with bdm

V.V.
27-11-2012, 11:37
I do not want someone to blend in with the maximum number of cycles of writes/re-writes that EEProm can? have:

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEPROM

Read under the heading "Limitations".

The same is true of the flash memories, NAND/NOR/AND even if the maximum number of cycles ? difficult to reach in the course of the entire life of the car: it is usually at least 10,000 cilci or even a lot more?, in the order of 100,000 writes/rewrites!

goku
27-11-2012, 23:41
..I don't know what to say better cos? .. I had heard about 6 or 7 times then, you risked the block..

msport (exil77grande)
28-11-2012, 14:30
..I don't know what to say better cos? .. I had heard about 6 or 7 times then, you risked the block..

if I had to listen to everything I hear I should see the flying monkeys....

magi1984
28-11-2012, 14:48
yet to me with the kess on the golf plus, which I have done for the problem of hot start gave me the warning that the ecu supported a number limit of the scriptures, and if I wanted to I could vary the limit

msport (exil77grande)
28-11-2012, 15:06
waiting for you I fix this because to me the kess me that it works on those cars call specials it seems to me that in practice does not say how many scriptures support but gives you the opportunity to bring to 0, the counter of the scriptures, at least that I can remember.

magi1984
28-11-2012, 15:49
ah here it is, delete the number of the scriptures! You are right!

msport (exil77grande)
28-11-2012, 19:14
ah here it is, delete the number of the scriptures! You are right!

for a moment you made me come to doubt hehehe.

abberello
29-11-2012, 13:48
Second, there are limits, otherwise someone would have already? exposed the problems!

zioweb
29-11-2012, 13:54
I think they are something stupid, unless there is a software limit... that bdm you should work around, or better yet, it can be seen from the memory and programming it with the programmer do it anyway.

the only limit to my opinion ? the same memory, which has a cycle of reading/writing well-defined by the manufacturer, beyond which "dies".

V.V.
29-11-2012, 14:33
Are not well defined, are approximate. I have a unit? Flash-Memory that has as its MTBF 10,000 hours and 10,000 cycles between writings and rewritings: my Rack record more than 36,000 hours (almost 5 years ? always on with occasional reboots). Considering the use that I make (compilation) already? after the first year and a half of life, I had almost certainly exceeded the number of cycles between the scriptures and rewrites. All this to say, that ? very likely that the maximum number of records is determined on the basis of other parameters than those merely of the structural component, i.e., on the basis of commercial requirements and to avoid problems on the part of consumers for the possible non-compliance with the stated specifications.

zioweb
29-11-2012, 15:55
Are not well defined, are approximate. I have a unit? Flash-Memory that has as its MTBF 10,000 hours and 10,000 cycles between writings and rewritings: my Rack record more than 36,000 hours (almost 5 years ? always on with occasional reboots). Considering the use that I make (compilation) already? after the first year and a half of life, I had almost certainly exceeded the number of cycles between the scriptures and rewrites. All this to say, that ? very likely that the maximum number of records is determined on the basis of other parameters than those merely of the structural component, i.e., on the basis of commercial requirements and to avoid problems on the part of consumers for the possible non-compliance with the stated specifications.
I love...


V.V.
30-11-2012, 13:21
Perfect, just a misunderstanding :)!

James
30-11-2012, 13:37
Usually we don't reach limit scriptures, x that always rewrite the file with write to 0, in order to pick up the counter you should read the mod is made from the ecu edit, and rewrite and salts portion 2.
in practice, in order to pick up the counter you should read each time the modified map from the ecu, make the changes you want and rewrite, so salt the counter of the scriptures. so that remain stored in the scriptures,
instead, we (or at least I personally) every time I write a mod I write always from the first fail changed, doesn't it ? every time I start to read the fil mod from the machine and work on that, but I always work on the first modified, and then the counter remains at 1 share.
I don't know if I was clear

alfajtd
30-11-2012, 13:42
wrong.... if you use kess does not increase... I also believe galletto eobd2 and magpro2
but if you use the others who do not have this system, the increase in the scriptures increases the same, even using the file mother.

James
30-11-2012, 13:58
from the tests I have done to me is so....then each one expresses his!