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jared_poe
07-11-2012, 21:30
Hi, from reading around I took these notes, correct me if I am wrong, and wanting to add more if you know.
These should apply to all control units Bosch

Diesel = value x 0,01 = mm3
Pair = value x 0.1 = nm
Turbo = value x x 0.001 -1000 = bar
Rail = value x 0.1 = bar
Temperature = value /10 -273 = degrees celsius
Degrees advance = value x 0,023437 = degrees (it is the inverse formula...1/0,023437= 42,66--> 43 points about a degree)
Time table of niezione= value x 0,976=injection time

mavaila1972
11-11-2012, 23:17
Hi, from reading around I took these notes, correct me if I am wrong, and wanting to add more if you know.
These should apply to all control units Bosch

Diesel = value x 0,01 = mm3
Pair = value x 0.1 = nm
Turbo = value x x 0.001 -1000 = bar
Rail = value x 0.1 = bar
Temperature = value /10 -273 = degrees celsius
Degrees advance = value x 0,023437 = degrees (it is the inverse formula...1/0,023437= 42,66--> 43 points about a degree)
Time table of niezione= value x 0,976=injection time

better to divide edc15 from edc16 and then make a classification of the conversion factors bosch

explode82
13-11-2012, 16:11
I would say that these are so inaccurate because as he also said mavaila edc16 edc edc15, the conversion factors are dicersi given that the logic with which they work and operate the engine are a diver,in the first place as he works the pedal on edc16 ? a request of the couple,while on edc15 ? the quantity? of fuel to be injected in accordance with the request of the user

jared_poe
13-11-2012, 19:17
Excuse me, please, why??
If I take for example a edc15C7 of a multiple I have these values in the maps:
Injection zoned: 7047= 7047x0.01= 70.47mm3
Torque limiter: 4315= 4315x0.1= 431.5 Nm
Rail pressure: 13500= 13500x0.1= 1350Bar
Turbo pressure: 2130= 2130x0.001-1000=1.13 Bar
dov'? this difference with the edc16? I st? speaking of the read values in the maps are not st? speaking of the operating logic of the ecu...

explode82
13-11-2012, 19:47
not center those are values in the clear,and ? obvious that they are the same,but if you go on other maps, and management begin to be differences,but for the ones that you mentioned you are those values

explode82
13-11-2012, 20:33
I,as well as the value of the pedal ? expressed in NM

jared_poe
13-11-2012, 20:38
not center those are values in the clear,and ? obvious that they are the same,but if you go on other maps, and management begin to be differences,but for the ones that you mentioned you are those values

sorry I did not understand,:confused: can you give me an example of the maps of management to which you refer? you are talking about BP?

jared_poe
13-11-2012, 20:52

explode82
13-11-2012, 21:38


tell me, based on what you say that to 2250 rpm you 101Nm why? I didn't understand it
then to convert on edc15 of the torque limiter I do not remember,but I can let you know by watching the damos if you are interested in and make a comparison with a edc16 without problems

jared_poe
13-11-2012, 21:46
according to me, should be a little more?, I do not have the damos, and then I can not tell you for sure but if comparing them with those of 159 150 hp at the same rpm there are approximately 260Nm of difference, for this I think they are a bit short...

jared_poe
13-11-2012, 21:48
tell me, based on what you say that to 2250 rpm you 101Nm why? I didn't understand it
then to convert on edc15 of the torque limiter I do not remember,but I can let you know by watching the damos if you are interested in and make a comparison with a edc16 without problems
I have done the calculation according to what it says munro, 4315*0,023438=101Nm

jared_poe
13-11-2012, 22:23
okay maybe not will be 430, but not the 100, maybe the truth? star? in the middle, that I took him to 2250giri, however I would be interested to have these conversion factors for the edc 15, I you can post.
Practically in summary, the conversion factors that I have posted I am right only for the edc16

jared_poe
13-11-2012, 22:55
We can make a table as I wrote in the first post but with the factors correct for edc 15?
Those values that I have written are valid for edc16 cos? as I have written, in your opinion?

explode82
14-11-2012, 00:03
according to me, should be a little more?, I do not have the damos, and then I can not tell you for sure but if comparing them with those of 159 150 hp at the same rpm there are approximately 260Nm of difference, for this I think they are a bit short...

the problem ? that you tend to think as if it were the same thing,but ta edc15 and edc16 not c'? nothing is the same as the management belonging to the so-called real values,then the difference of logic c'? a huge difference in engines and features, not to mention horses, besides that I went to see the torque limiter in the edc15 fiat that I had a little doubt,and as I remembered the torque limiter in the edc15 ? in function of the quantity of diesel and says mm3 of fuel injected and not the NM

jared_poe
14-11-2012, 00:18
sorry explode but I think you have not understood , or have I not written in a clear way, the title of this topic.
I do not st? speaking of mechanical power, I just wanted to talk about how to convert the "numbers" on the floor of the map, I wanted to be able to convert the number 13500 in 1350Bar.
I also do not understand, how can it be a torque limiter if the values in the map are not Nm?

explode82
14-11-2012, 00:58
I'm simply saying, given that you were doing a grass, a beam of the translation values that are different depending on the model of ecu bosch, then a torque limiter from the name that serves to limit the torque,but the torque can you? limit in various ways,according to logic, edc15, limiting diesel fuel,according to the logic edec16 that the door sensors to the workers to the calculation uses as a system in the NM, and as simple as what

explode82
14-11-2012, 01:00
and then for like reasons do you use all the logic in the edc15 where in the torque limiter tells you 6031 for example that are 603NM I would say that I am a p? exaggerated....but being that it refers to the fuel are 60,31 mm3 of diesel inniettato

Chris156
14-11-2012, 13:24
The question more important ? to know if these engines have a torque sensor.. the rest comes from if!!!

jared_poe
14-11-2012, 13:42
and then for like reasons do you use all the logic in the edc15 where in the torque limiter tells you 6031 for example that are 603NM I would say that I am a p? exaggerated....but being that it refers to the fuel are 60,31 mm3 of diesel inniettato

What car are we talking about with the limtatore of torque at 6031?
And then, uh, as the s? there sensors which measure the torque (if necessary, how do they work?) or the torque is calculated by the ecu?

Fede87
16-04-2014, 01:19
surely it is calculated! indeed, the alleged I would say... (the ecu knows which gear you are on and how quickly the rpm's cos? assumes a certain pair, for? surely not ? precise data that does not take into account many other things...) is not c'? no sensor!!

gianni1001
08-11-2014, 14:18
I'm simply saying, given that you were doing a grass, a beam of the translation values that are different depending on the model of ecu bosch, then a torque limiter from the name that serves to limit the torque,but the torque can you? limit in various ways,according to logic, edc15, limiting diesel fuel,according to the logic edec16 that the door sensors to the workers to the calculation uses as a system in the NM, and as simple as what
sorry for the intrusion
but it is possible that in the same ECU, there are maps with torque limiters that work is by limiting the diesel in some of the Nm in the other?

frantik3
08-11-2014, 17:49
pu? be all !!!!!!