Something that unites us! how to protect yourself from our customers!

[demolitionMan]

Hello friends.
there are laws for us of the trade which protect you on the work carried out ?

if we eliminate a fap-egr closed-remapping , we make what is not lawful for me, apparently! (we pollute the environment, and change the data programming ecu)

For racing you can? to make holes in the ozone?polluting the environment?

and if a customer or a workshop jealous want to make problems, denouncing what we do!

how can we protect ourselves from these troubles?

customers are good and dear , but if we want to bad we bugger..

thanks to all

[giarras]

the legislation is there, when I was in activity? especially x piaggio mopeds were delivered with the famous bottlenecks,but the customer is always asked to delete them,consigliavo always have a disclaimer, and cos? at least the responsibility? it fell on the customer except x mini car and to change them you may incur as a criminal offense, get a model release from the client ? always better to specify that the vehicle ? intended for date of birth.

[demolitionMan]

but, what if ? all designed for competition, can you? pollute the environment?'

[bart]

but, what if ? all designed for competition, can you? pollute the environment?'

Hello demolitionMan, do not be surprised: these are the normal nonsense Italian! Unlike abroad, where they work for the approval of the changes to the cars through testing, and verification, in Italy this is not ? possible, and then resorts to the tricks...

[blackwolf76]

In italy, the engines only serve to create chairs for the friends of the friends of the politicians, and then saw that no one has expertise in the field is avoided to approve any changes if you are not the manufacturer.

In other countries, such as germany, which, as usual ? always very forward, for every change you just have to go by any preparer may make all the changes necessary and you have the responsibility? of the work carried out, and such documentation is homologous throughout. Then even a simple remapped leads to update of the paper circulation with everything that follows.

In italy it would not be even allowed, by law, to mount the tires with the code of speed? more than what is listed on the paper circulation....

[thekid]

hello before getting close to the world tuning I have been a trainer and I've noticed that I think he decision was received where marked as an intervention, "electronic optimization" even if I do not think that a contrivance of this kind can protect a lot.

[chicco]

The only way to protect yourself ? specify on the receipt or invoice that the modfiche made are for the exclusive use of the competitive and can not be used on the road, and that the client fully assumes the responsibility? in case of improper use.

[egs]

Also, and especially, the mappings are not usable on the road (even if changes are made primarily on normal cars) are only for cars that walk on the track. The important ? as you speak with the customer.

[admin]

I say that if there is someone in here competent in this matter
write two little words to create preprinted to do
sign to the customer at the time the work is performed to drive

[tonyteam]

The only way to protect yourself ? specify on the receipt or invoice that the modfiche made are for the exclusive use of the competitive and can not be used on the road, and that the client fully assumes the responsibility? in case of improper use.

but in any case it should always be so?...I wonder when it happens to the workshops, as parano

[dantesfx]

It depends on what happens, very often, the workshops are risking a lot.

[gick]

I work in the workshop, in fact, not ? just seen this topic, why? then a client wants to make the map why? cos? the car pulls to the pi?, it's better, but then every time they have a problem driin the phone rings, but did not ? this is attributed to the map? I don't know how to leave? but some way to protect it will have? while to find it. does anyone have any document of a release to me to see cos? I do have an idea of how to develop one of my own, thank you very much

[cristianbomberos]

Hello gick unfortunately, I don't think there's a document that we can protect if not common sense

[spatullo]

For some interventions, such as the remapping of the ecu, there you can? protect with a discharge of the liability? well done.
Small digression, different speech for those processes such as the people or scooters for children, takes a type of liability? other than just because? there are people who are legally not fully responsible for their actions why? not ripe.

For instead of a PHYSICAL deletion of the particulate filter ACCORDING to ME non c'? discharge of liability? that keep, unless you bring only the exhaust and not the whole car, in that case you may not know that the use will be? done. It is a little how to for those who tampers with the cronotachigrafi, there you can? NOT feel responsible for such a thing.

[gick]

for example, I can't get a physical elimination, I don't have the proper equipment and saw that the shop where I work does not ? my not I can do what I want, I was thinking to collaborate with other mechanics in the way that they perform the physical part of the deletion, and I for the electronics, my **** workshop with the clients who would like to do it says finch? there are no problems, leave them and then you think about it, but leave it to them in the meantime, clogs, it is good to do a forced regeneration with diagnostic tools to be sure that you clean it, then unmount it, clamp a straight tube and mount what, if tomorrow you want to sell the car and not run into legal problems, it is a comeback of the original map and the fap in a manner that everything goes and there are no problems. You never know who you are facing, I will not take risks.

[cristianbomberos]

Sincerely I too gick think of it as your **** workshop according to me ? right so

[spatullo]

And' the right thing? Leave it installed and disable it from the map? To me it seems like a cheap shot against the owner of the car.

[cristianbomberos]

No, maybe I explained it wrong I said ? just leave it without touching anything in the limits of the possible ? clear otherwise if you have to exclude the exclude but completely

[sno74]

this topic of luca stanca ? already been mentioned the most times if a workshop is this service to the law on the machines circulating on the street is not allowed? be made only for sports use only thing we can do to make the customer sign a document where he ? in the current work that is being done and that we do it just because? he asked us and then makes it use in sports....or the road more? fast and less risky not to make any type of receipt to repair, and then the customer in case wants to hurt you will have to? certify the car ? output without fap from your workshop....

[gick]

in fact, I admit I am totally against the fap from the moment in which the fine particles below 0.7 microns, the lungs are not the filter, a fap said grossly mulch to 0.3. What makes me nervous ? the bullshit is made typically at the Italian which denotes how we are witty, I try to close a circle of logic.
the fap ? described as a device antiinquinamento, retains all of the fine dust and sooner or later clogs, when it clogs up and becomes full, the engine must warm it, and then delete these dust, this process is called regeneration, the car has a sensor that detects where we are, bringing a practical example, I'm from modena, if in the evening on the avenues in the city centre with my girlfriend for a drink and spend three machines, one behind the other that are in the regeneration, the air becomes unbreathable, not to think that all that stuff goes directly into the blood of the people. The first law of chemistry teaches nothing is created and nothing is destroyed, well, I have not yet managed to understand with the regeneration of these damn parts that are deleted what they are, I did not find it specified anywhere. the regeneration of the pu? occur at any time and in any place, and then not ? even defined by rules such as, for example, a room specially that recovers these substances are harmful.
Until someone sees? to rebut this argument with the arguments quite convincing to make me change my mind I am mine, the cio? that ? better remove it as soon as possible to the machine ? pi? free, consumes less, and goes on smooth.
? how to have a banana in the exhaust.
Then for the legal issues actually there are many ways, my procedure was suitable for those who in some way would also have the chance? to be able to go back.