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Hi, in attachment you will find file ori mod and an excel spreadsheet where I have marked all of the maps that I found through reading some of the posts on this site, I wanted to know if about the map was done well and especially if you could still push if I also wanted to mention that on my opel 1.3 cdti 69 hp, I mounted the turbine giulietta 1.6 fixed geometry where I pressure small 1.7 and fixed for 1.5/1.6 from the map I have already made the changes to prevent the recovery of sovrappresione.
Basically the car is fine, but your opinions will be very useful especially if it can be improved in a case of presence of errors.
Thank you all in advance
Hi, in attachment you will find file ori mod and an excel spreadsheet where I have marked all of the maps that I found through reading some of the posts on this site, I wanted to know if about the map was done well and especially if you could still push if I also wanted to mention that on my opel 1.3 cdti 69 hp, I mounted the turbine giulietta 1.6 fixed geometry where I pressure small 1.7 and fixed for 1.5/1.6 from the map I have already made the changes to prevent the recovery of sovrappresione.
Basically the car is fine, but your opinions will be very useful especially if it can be improved in a case of presence of errors.
Thank you all in advance
But the information you picked really on this forum??
But the information you picked really on this forum??
my parts instead of the pump we "banc" hahaha
returning on topic, the discussion "marelli impariamola", by comparing the map of jack in the studio with my I found some of the maps by inserting them into the excel sheet that I shared before
they are just off the road is bad, apparently, right?
my parts instead of the pump we "banc" hahaha
returning on topic, the discussion "marelli impariamola", by comparing the map of jack in the studio with my I found some of the maps by inserting them into the excel sheet that I shared before
they are just off the road is bad, apparently, right?
You're not out of the way of everything, but....
Putting you in the clear with the 60 Opel & Suzuki, I have only worked to solve the problems that have already series, etc
you mounted a flywheel fixed I hope?
What do you Get from this Machine???
I see that you have lost sleep for a Bit, a Rail that if you can fit the maps of the fundamental, and the Maf fails to the law + of 1200mg & the Map + 2800, the Rail has already been working to 1550Bar and more..
the maps on the sheet exel I did not check all but there are fundamental..
and I don't understand why you didn't touch?
and the ones that have touched you made them in the wrong way unfortunately..
sorry ragioniamoci n moment..
to make hp you have to inject + oil & compress Air in the cylinders right?
now I don't know how to work your turbo "or as want to do work" but 1,5-1,6 there is also working the original one, wanting to cause no problems.
if you have done the pipe 0 with a diameter of worthy of being considered "maybe with a FMIC"
you have only increased 100-200mbar and the flow rate of the air, improving the thermal efficiency which is not little..
now I don't know how to go with the diesel but from what I see in the map + salt of the rpm the lower the fuel "that little that you're able to give on the other hand..
You're not out of the way of everything, but....
Putting you in the clear with the 60 Opel & Suzuki, I have only worked to solve the problems that have already series, etc
you mounted a flywheel fixed I hope?
What do you Get from this Machine???
I see that you have lost sleep for a Bit, a Rail that if you can fit the maps of the fundamental, and the Maf fails to the law + of 1200mg & the Map + 2800, the Rail has already been working to 1550Bar and more..
the maps on the sheet exel I did not check all but there are fundamental..
and I don't understand why you didn't touch?
and the ones that have touched you made them in the wrong way unfortunately..
sorry ragioniamoci n moment..
to make hp you have to inject + oil & compress Air in the cylinders right?
now I don't know how to work your turbo "or as want to do work" but 1,5-1,6 there is also working the original one, wanting to cause no problems.
if you have done the pipe 0 with a diameter of worthy of being considered "maybe with a FMIC"
you have only increased 100-200mbar and the flow rate of the air, improving the thermal efficiency which is not little..
now I don't know how to go with the diesel but from what I see in the map + salt of the rpm the lower the fuel "that little that you're able to give on the other hand..
quoto in full-in fact, I have driven to low when enters in function the turbo, but then on the 3000 seems to already be embedded in, on intercooler, I'm opting for the scenic 1.9 that as the magnitudes to be compared to my ori is more long and high, and also because the ec of the problem space since I have a little behind the bumper, about the maf now horsemanship above that of the stroke 1.7 (reading in network law for higher flow rates compared to 1.3) the map is original and deceived in the map, otherwise the recovery was always lurking with those pressures.
Flywheel (dual mass changed 2 years ago, but the next time you leave me, I go for the flywheel fixed, to the detriment of the exchange
from this drive I would like to get something at the limit of the slip clutch in such a way as not to change it under the christmas holidays xD, you on which map I advice you to intervene?
Thanks again for the advice
I would put all Gold except
06211E OK
0625CA 12800 max RIGHT to LEFT
06211E as above
067F48 as above
067F6A as above
0690EE see in 2D what did you do and think
06921E as above
069372 and practice to put it all to 12800
069D86 OK
069DB4 OK
069DFA and practice to put it all to 12800
069E4C OK
069EEE you know what then?
064C72 you know what then?
061EFC are you certain? not 062902???
I would put all Gold except
06211E OK
0625CA 12800 max RIGHT to LEFT
06211E as above
067F48 as above
067F6A as above
0690EE see in 2D what did you do and think
06921E as above
069372 and practice to put it all to 12800
069D86 OK
069DB4 OK
069DFA and practice to put it all to 12800
069E4C OK
069EEE you know what then?
064C72 you know what then?
061EFC are you certain? not 062902???
hello cinqueturbo thanks again for the help you're giving me
on 069oee and 6921e I find the maps right pedal? I would like to better understand how to improve them
for now I followed already your tips show a bit if I grabbed everything, I brought it all gold and I brought some improvements where you have found of disasters
in the annex you will find the new file, thanks again for everything
06211E OK
0625CA 12800 max 4500rpm RIGHT to LEFT 750rpm
06211E as above
067F48 as above
067F6A as above
0690EE then you 4500rpm 100% of the pedal you want "less" diesel-1500rpm???
what is the use of tap at low rpm??
06921E as above
069372 OK because you touched on the BP?
069D86 OK
069DB4 OK
069DFA check again..
069E4C OK
069EEE you know what is... then?
064C72 you know what is... then?
061EFC are you certain? not 062902???
06211E OK switch the egr and there we are
0625CA 12800 max 4500rpm RIGHT to LEFT 750rpm I put to the right of 12800 and left gold remaining to the left
06211E as above same you may have made a mistake but this address refers to the switch, egr
067F48 as above same
067F6A as above same
0690EE then you 4500rpm 100% of the pedal you want "less" diesel-1500rpm??? you read right ---> left, or vice versa? the first curve from the left relates to the 4500 or 750 rpm?
what is the use of tap at low rpm??
06921E as above
069372 OK because you touched on the BP? I corrected the bp
069D86 OK
069DB4 OK
069DFA check again.. where I messed up?
069E4C OK
069EEE you know what is... then? the time that I understand how to act and we feel
064C72 you know what is... then? ditto
061EFC are you certain? not 062902??? I changed as told by you, in fact, on the sheet, I put the question mark because I wasn't sure, but with other bp changed was no longer going into recovery
sorry for the time that I am doing you lose you have an infinite patience, and I will never cease to thank you
see a little if I figured out how to change the maps of the pedal
06211E OK switch the egr and there we are
0625CA 12800 max 4500rpm RIGHT to LEFT 750rpm I put to the right of 12800 and left gold remaining to the left
06211E as above same you may have made a mistake but this address refers to the switch, egr
067F48 as above same
067F6A as above same
0690EE then you 4500rpm 100% of the pedal you want "less" diesel-1500rpm??? you read right ---> left, or vice versa? the first curve from the left relates to the 4500 or 750 rpm?
what is the use of tap at low rpm??
06921E as above
069372 OK because you touched on the BP? I corrected the bp
069D86 OK
069DB4 OK
069DFA check again.. where I messed up?
069E4C OK
069EEE you know what is... then? the time that I understand how to act and we feel
064C72 you know what is... then? ditto
061EFC are you certain? not 062902??? I changed as told by you, in fact, on the sheet, I put the question mark because I wasn't sure, but with other bp changed was no longer going into recovery
sorry for the time that I am doing you lose you have an infinite patience, and I will never cease to thank you
06211E OK switch the egr and there we are
0625CA 12800 max tuost and cape?? left 4500 right 750rpm
06211E "you're right mo, I don't remember nun ce thinking.."
067F48 as above same
067F6A as above same
0690EE "Mo do you understand?? "
06921E as above
069372 OK because you touched on the BP? I corrected the bp "and who told you to touch it??"
069D86 OK
069DB4 OK
069DFA check again.. where I messed up? "and check even better.."
069E4C OK
069EEE you know what is... then? the time that I understand how to act and I'm trying to "know that and a lim.diesel, where do you want to intervene?"
064C72 you know what is... then? ditto if you have to give diesel and you have unlocked all the limiters as you want to give it to her???
061EFC are you certain? not 062902??? I changed as told by you, in fact, on the sheet, I put the question mark because I wasn't sure, but with other bp changed was no longer going into recovery then leave the old one..
P. S the rar file in the previous post, and corrupted fix the file and upload it..
06211E OK switch the egr and there we are
0625CA 12800 max tuost and cape?? left 4500 right 750rpm
06211E "you're right mo, I don't remember nun ce thinking.."
067F48 as above same
067F6A as above same
0690EE "Mo do you understand?? "
06921E as above
069372 OK because you touched on the BP? I corrected the bp "and who told you to touch it??"
069D86 OK
069DB4 OK
069DFA check again.. where I messed up? "and check even better.."
069E4C OK
069EEE you know what is... then? the time that I understand how to act and I'm trying to "know that and a lim.diesel, where do you want to intervene?"
064C72 you know what is... then? ditto if you have to give diesel and you have unlocked all the limiters as you want to give it to her???
061EFC are you certain? not 062902??? I changed as told by you, in fact, on the sheet, I put the question mark because I wasn't sure, but with other bp changed was no longer going into recovery then leave the old one..
P. S the rar file in the previous post, and corrupted fix the file and upload it..
try it now if it goes to the download
try it now if it goes to the download
I don't know how but I is gold hahaha now I'll just redo it and reloading
try it now if it goes to the download
the download I goes to the great, and that the archive is damaged "corrupted"..
here is the file let me know if it opens
I don't know mo that the problem you have to compress a file with rar or zip and upload it but we're pulling for long..
I don't know mo that the problem you have to compress a file with rar or zip and upload it but we're pulling for long..
I just tried I download and is intact, not that you have the antivirus that is blocking you?
I just downloaded other files from the forum and work..
waiting for someone else to give you a hand
I just downloaded other files from the forum and work..
waiting for someone else to give you a hand
okay.... thanks a lot paesÃ
Now it works.. I did not think that between the different versions of winrar could happen that not open the archives..
Alexander back to us..
what's your occupation in life?
0625CA ok but because it increases already at low revs?
067F4A why?
067F68 as above
06910C almost you continue to ask for the maximum to 100%
06923C as above
069EF0 put it to 12800
069EF2 put it to 12800
system and try it.. if it requires another diesel 064C92
Now it works.. I did not think that between the different versions of winrar could happen that not open the archives..
Alexander back to us..
what's your occupation in life?
0625CA ok but because it increases already at low revs?
067F4A why?
067F68 as above
06910C almost you continue to ask for the maximum to 100%
06923C as above
069EF0 put it to 12800
069EF2 put it to 12800
system and try it.. if it requires another diesel 064C92
in life I am always in contact with the car, but this time as a teacher......
0625CA ok but because it increases already at low revs? you law to the contrary, then I should bring you right around to iso 12800 and left gold as I could understand
067F4A why? apparently it reads in the normal to then start 12800 and then get off, leaving ori to the left
067F68 as above apparently reads in the normal to then start 12800 and then get off, leaving ori to the left
06910C almost you continue to ask for the maximum to 100% I reported the original because this experiment remains for me to accelerated fixed at 4500 rpm
06923C as above I reported the original because this experiment remains for me to accelerated fixed at 4500 rpm
069EF0 put it to 12800 and what it refers to?
069EF2 put it to 12800 and what it refers to?
system and try it.. if it requires another diesel 064C92
69EF0 put it to 12800 quantity maximum diesel 3500 rpm
069EF2 put it to 12800 quantity maximum diesel fuel at 4000 rpm
0625CA ok but because it increases already at low revs? you law to the contrary, then I should bring you right around to iso 12800 and left gold as I could understand
067F4A why? apparently it reads in the normal to then start 12800 and then get off, leaving ori to the left
No, you have not yet understood.....
No, you have not yet understood.....
I give you an example....take a map the pedal and watch it in 2d. I go to memory I have not yet looked at what you've done....you have 8 curves if I'm not mistaken. The first one corresponds to the first laps, the last to 4688 (mysteries of the ing marelli) . On the contrary, you need to read every single curve from right to left. That is, the value of maximum torque request find it in the first bit to the left of the last curve, in fact, negative values will find them in the first curve of the low rpm in the first bit to the right do every turn. I hope I was clear
I give you an example....take a map the pedal and watch it in 2d. I go to memory I have not yet looked at what you've done....you have 8 curves if I'm not mistaken. The first one corresponds to the first laps, the last to 4688 (mysteries of the ing marelli) . On the contrary, you need to read every single curve from right to left. That is, the value of maximum torque request find it in the first bit to the left of the last curve, in fact, negative values will find them in the first curve of the low rpm in the first bit to the right do every turn. I hope I was clear
You are perfect, then I should give more torque on the 8 curves from 5 onwards, otherwise I'd start already from low revs and only increased the consumption, then, on each curve starting from the left to the half of the curve, otherwise I'm going to give diesel even when I have very little throttle or is it better to change it all in such a way that it already have a boost as soon as I accelerate?
P. s. better not to look at the horrors that I have combined on the maps the pedal otherwise you will call the pope to get me to the point of excommunicating hahahahaha
Thanks a lot for the tip
You are perfect, then I should give more torque on the 8 curves from 5 onwards, otherwise I'd start already from low revs and only increased the consumption, then, on each curve starting from the left to the half of the curve, otherwise I'm going to give diesel even when I have very little throttle or is it better to change it all in such a way that it already have a boost as soon as I accelerate?
P. s. better not to look at the horrors that I have combined on the maps the pedal otherwise you will call the pope to get me to the point of excommunicating hahahahaha
Thanks a lot for the tip
It is said ..if you want a pedal that is ready immediately, you can also adjust the first curves (you have to make tests to understand). Every turn you have to read from right!!!! Where you have the low % request
It is said ..if you want a pedal that is ready immediately, you can also adjust the first curves (you have to make tests to understand). Every turn you have to read from right!!!! Where you have the low % request
perfect very very clean, the limit is the same as for the limiters set at 12800, or you can exceed this limit?
I gave a +10% in the first 4 turns and then 15 20 25 30% in the last 4 curves starting from the left, without changing the negative values to 0 I have increased the limit to 12800 on the quantity of diesel in the 3500 and 400 rpm as suggested by ciqueturbo causing it to get so 37.50 mm3, before and load it in the car, I wanted to know if I was starting to understand a little something
I enclose a mod file
The first one corresponds to the first laps, the last to 4688 (mysteries of the ing marelli) . On the contrary, you need to read every single curve from right to left. That is, the value of maximum torque request find it in the first bit to the left of the last curve, in fact, negative values will find them in the first curve of the low rpm in the first bit to the right do every turn. I hope I was clear
to me, you're completely out of the way. place a screenshot with a few changes so it's difficult to know which areas match.
the map is a 2d inverse that is, if we want to compare it to a bosch rows and columns are exchanged. then each hump corresponds to a % on the PEDAL, and it contains all the schemes are normally left to right.
seh goodnight. sti not fucking link. and no edit button. BAH
seh goodnight. sti not fucking link. and no edit button. BAH
I tell you the truth I "I know where to put hands" on the screen I miss him figured out..
What is not clear?
X-axis %ped
Y-axis rpm
There is both the tabular view and the 2d to show where they fall in the areas that I have brought to 0.
What is not clear?
X-axis %ped
Y-axis rpm
There is both the tabular view and the 2d to show where they fall in the areas that I have brought to 0.
Aaaa here I thought that I had to give them the increases
to summarize, each curve refers to the % of the pedal from 0 to 100%, while each point of each curve to the torque demand, which is rpm-based right? from the left ---> right now, there is a torque limit set to iso 12800 as in limiters, or you can exceed this limit?
Errecinque
19-10-2017, 08:23
to me, you're completely out of the way. place a screenshot with a few changes so it's difficult to know which areas match.
the map is a 2d inverse that is, if we want to compare it to a bosch rows and columns are exchanged. then each hump corresponds to a % on the PEDAL, and it contains all the schemes are normally left to right.
Contamination and damage how bp spins and those of the rpm, which I don't have the pc on hand, so we immediately check. May be I wrong
Ok right I have checked. In fact, the Bp of the % foot pedal 8 and the 8 bumps on the map that represent the percentage rate but reverse it or not even the bosch have on the curve of the first BP the number of the humps and on the second the number of bits that make up the bumps. Then? Fall all the speeches and it is a map like all.other?
Ok right I have checked. In fact, the Bp of the % foot pedal 8 and the 8 bumps on the map that represent the percentage rate but reverse it or not even the bosch have on the curve of the first BP the number of the humps and on the second the number of bits that make up the bumps. Then? Fall all the speeches and it is a map like all.other?
no, they are inverse in the sense that compared to the bosch have rows and columns exchanged. then every hump on bosch corresponds to a regime of RPM and contains all of the % ped 0 to 100.
in fact, on bosch see that the last humps always go down, instead go up.
no, they are inverse in the sense that compared to the bosch have rows and columns exchanged. then every hump on bosch corresponds to a regime of RPM and contains all of the % ped 0 to 100.
in fact, on bosch see that the last humps always go down, instead go up.
Get a map bosch 16x8 for example, and controls, let loose of the pedal now, the first BP in the bosch represents the number of humps as in marelli.
you are correct. the first bp is the Y-axis then the number of rows, the second the X axis and then columns.
the only difference is what values are in those axes.
can anyone tell me if I moddato good limiters? so then step to map the pedal to get some boost
well, this weekend I tested the last map moddando the driver wish, I have been inspired by the maps the pedals of a g.punto 90hp, which is spoken these days on the forum.
first impression were turbolag reduced, more thrust, especially at low and smoke for the high, maybe will redo the timing and increasing the rail pressure, from the moment that I place the pump 90hp can turn safely to 1600 bar.
attached is the latest map, I accept advice on improvements and mistakes about it, thanks again to all of the forum
well, this weekend I tested the last map moddando the driver wish, I have been inspired by the maps the pedals of a g.punto 90hp, which is spoken these days on the forum.
first impression were turbolag reduced, more thrust, especially at low and smoke for the high, maybe will redo the timing and increasing the rail pressure, from the moment that I place the pump 90hp can turn safely to 1600 bar.
attached is the latest map, I accept advice on improvements and mistakes about it, thanks again to all of the forum
My mom happy with you..
My mom happy with you..
it is just a "zero" much???
hello cinqueturbo, let's try this, smoke is nearly absent, or at least before you enter the game the turbo, but within the limits
in case you can still improve?
then, finally, I wanted to know that max from 10 to 15% on the time I have to give it to the last curves on all the values, or only half?
hello cinqueturbo, let's try this, smoke is nearly absent, or at least before you enter the game the turbo, but within the limits
in case you can still improve?
then, finally, I wanted to know that max from 10 to 15% on the time I have to give it to the last curves on all the values, or only half?
I don't understand why you refuse to touch the injection times Yes I have already calculated the x series at least 50 mm3. Touching them is only necessary if you want to inject more, but first you have to adapt the maps to the pedal and limiters to arrive at that value, and then calculate how long it takes. It is true that touching the time you buy it aggressiveness, But 99% go into the post-combustion chamber, and then only smoke with the pump rail and Turbo series
I don't understand why you refuse to touch the injection times Yes I have already calculated the x series at least 50 mm3. Touching them is only necessary if you want to inject more, but first you have to adapt the maps to the pedal and limiters to arrive at that value, and then calculate how long it takes. It is true that touching the time you buy it aggressiveness, But 99% go into the post-combustion chamber, and then only smoke with the pump rail and Turbo series
As for those pump rail 90hp and turbine plus ?
As for those pump rail 90hp and turbine plus ?
Change everything!! You have to know how many bars carry the pump rail and the turbine and calcolarti therefore how much air is suck into the cylinders to give you the account of how many mg of fuel you can inject, taking a afr right and adjust all the maps and the BP of the new parameters......it is not easy and it takes a few hours and many tests
Change everything!! You have to know how many bars carry the pump rail and the turbine and calcolarti therefore how much air is suck into the cylinders to give you the account of how many mg of fuel you can inject, taking a afr right and adjust all the maps and the BP of the new parameters......it is not easy and it takes a few hours and many tests
I have the turbine giulietta 1.6 jtdm geo fixed(say up to 2 bar is covered) and the pump 90hp (works of series to 1600bar) but if not unlocked, the bit will always be limited to 1450 1480 the rail, it is true that you lose time, but after it is a job well done don't you think?
if you tell me which calculations should I do and what maps do I have to adapt, I'll put in the work
I have the turbine giulietta 1.6 jtdm geo fixed(say up to 2 bar is covered) and the pump 90hp (works of series to 1600bar) but if not unlocked, the bit will always be limited to 1450 1480 the rail, it is true that you lose time, but after it is a job well done don't you think?
if you tell me which calculations should I do and what maps do I have to adapt, I'll put in the work
In the meantime, you have to find in this case, the bit of restriction rail up to 1600 bar, if no him, I know that the race cut immediately. Second on that machine you do not have management turbo ecu-much less the vgt, but only one or two bits of the limitation prex is absolute on the manifold that reads the sensor. I don't know how to do but to mount a turbo with variable geometry without being able to.manage the ecu. Perhaps you stuck the rod in a fixed position?
In the meantime, you have to find in this case, the bit of restriction rail up to 1600 bar, if no him, I know that the race cut immediately. Second on that machine you do not have management turbo ecu-much less the vgt, but only one or two bits of the limitation prex is absolute on the manifold that reads the sensor. I don't know how to do but to mount a turbo with variable geometry without being able to.manage the ecu. Perhaps you stuck the rod in a fixed position?
turbine gt1446sz then geo fixed is the 105hp not to be confused with that of the 120 to geo variable, and with this map I have already deceived the map by moving the bits from 1500 to 2000, to the bit limitation of the rail in the past I've tried it, I rose to the pressure, but after a while it gave me errors in the diagnosis of the type of fuel system malfunction, and the rail pressure performance not this or that kind of stuff
well in this period of absence I have had time to study a bit more the map and I have come to this step, I increased the rail pressure up to 1600 bar, however, in diagnosis, I find the following dtc:
P1191 Rail Pressure Range/Performance (0B) not present
P1093 Fuel System Malfunction (08) not present
P0100 Mass Air Flow Sensor Voltage High (04) Not Present
P0107 Boost Pressure Low Pressure (03) Not Present
I attach the mod files and log
where did I go wrong? from the outset, despite the light comes on, the recovery can't be cut (it will be due to the increase of the limiters)
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